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Post Post #925 (ISO) » Tue Dec 20, 2016 5:16 pm

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In post 916, Loopdan wrote:@MT-- I'll get on my laptop sometime today and do the Manuel write-up.
In post 921, Loopdan wrote:I think I got to town!Manuel based on lack of questionable posts and POE. Sorry, Tweet. I know you'd like more than that.
Welp, can't say I'd be able write much more about some of my reads. That isn't really helping me though, no.
In post 913, Manuel87 wrote: The main reason why i was scumreading Accountant though was how hard he pushed Misa when his only reasoning for her being scum was PoE.

Though i agree with Loopdan that his day 2 was better. Plus thatsit flipping town actually takes away one of the reasons i scumread him day 2.
Accountants other PoE reads day 1 were thatsit and Norska btw. Day 2 he joined the wagon on thatsit. The only one he never pushed or joined a wagon on was Norska.
I'd have to agree with Accountant that PoE is not inherently scummy, especially when the scumteam is playing well. You put emphasis on how Accountant was pushing hard, but with the end of the day drawing near I'd want to push hard on my top scum suspect, too.
In post 923, Loopdan wrote:@Accountant-- I admit my reasons for reading you as scum aren't great.
My reasons for scumreading Accountant haven't been great either, which is why I'm not rushing to a conclusion on anyone.

Every time I try to convey my thoughts I'll read another post and go back on it -,-
My summary of LYLO so far:

Loopdan has come to the conclusion Accountant is scum with most likely Norska, Manuel thinks Norska is scum with most likely Accountant. Manuel and Loopdan townread each other. Norska thinks Loopdan and Accountant are town, PoEing Manuel and I. Accountant is the same way, PoEing Manuel and I but goes back and forth on Loopdan being in the mix.

I've gone after Accountant this game, so for Manuel!scum or Loopdan!scum it makes sense for them to push him to likely get me on board. Accountant townreads Norska (?), and Norska has begun defending Accountant ().

I think what I'd like to see most is Accountant going off of defense (even if it's justified) and pushing on Manuel, Loopdan, or myself. But I suspect we're all PoEing here.
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Post Post #926 (ISO) » Tue Dec 20, 2016 6:37 pm

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I'm
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to PoE, but nobody is conf-town enough for me to PoE with great confidence. Still, at some point I have to lay my cards on the table, or we'll get nowhere.

Gun to the head, Loopdan is probably town. I liked some of the stuff he did, I suspect my lingering suspicion on him may be confbias from the (now-debunked) point about replacing out and if he's scum, he's gone into today with a gameplan of pushing me - but that doesn't jive with his open admission that his reasons for scumreading me aren't great(as opposed to making something up or stubbornly insisting on gut).

That leaves Manuel, Norska and Tweet. I feel really bad trying to eliminate any of those three, but if I had to eliminate
someone
, it would likely be Manuel. There's nothing in his ISO that I find overly questionable, and he's been consistent in his pushes. If I had to say what's bad about his posting, it would be that he has some... questionable... lines of reasoning, the most recent example being how I'm scum because I scumread Misa by PoE. Still, that's not indicative of scumminess rather than just a not-very-logical player. The other reason to scumread him would be that JaeReed called him out, but the push on him by Jae wasn't aggressive enough that I would 100% buy the idea of Jae being killed for that alone. It was a very passive sort of scumreading, as opposed to Jae directly calling for Tweet to be killed. Finally, my strongest townread(relatively) also townreads Manuel.

That leaves Norska and Tweet as PoE.

@Everyone else: Would be nice if you could lay down your reads and who you would/would not lynch, the same way I did. Additionally, if we manage to lynch scum today, it's easier to review all the stances that scum took during LyLo and try to identify associatives. I think that's our best chance of winning.
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Post Post #927 (ISO) » Wed Dec 21, 2016 3:24 am

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Votecount 3.4


[5] Not Voting (Accountant, Manuel87, Morning Tweet, NorskaBlue, Loopdan)

With 5 alive, it is 3 to lynch.

Let me know if you see any problems.

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Post Post #928 (ISO) » Wed Dec 21, 2016 3:25 am

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NorskaBlue, Manuel87 were prodded.
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Post Post #929 (ISO) » Wed Dec 21, 2016 10:10 am

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In post 926, Accountant wrote: @Everyone else: Would be nice if you could lay down your reads and who you would/would not lynch, the same way I did. Additionally, if we manage to lynch scum today, it's easier to review all the stances that scum took during LyLo and try to identify associatives. I think that's our best chance of winning.
Like i said Loop is my strongest townread. I explained why.
Norska is probably scum because a Tweet + Accountatn scumteam would really surprise me considering the votes at the end of day 1.
Out of Tweet and Accountant i think Accountant is more likely to be scum.
Reason being he never pushed on him though he always had him in his PoE pile of possible scum.

I would lynch Norska or Accountant today.
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Post Post #930 (ISO) » Wed Dec 21, 2016 1:59 pm

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Accountant: Norska + Tweet
Manuel: Norska + Accountant

Waiting on: Loopdan, Tweet, Norska
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Post Post #931 (ISO) » Wed Dec 21, 2016 2:00 pm

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In post 929, Manuel87 wrote:Reason being he never pushed on him though he always had him in his PoE pile of possible scum.
Just to briefly address this, it's mostly because there were stronger candidates around and I didn't want to take my focus off them.
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Post Post #932 (ISO) » Wed Dec 21, 2016 3:39 pm

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In post 921, Loopdan wrote:Gun to my head, the scum-team is Accoutant/Norska.
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Post Post #933 (ISO) » Wed Dec 21, 2016 5:20 pm

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Manuel's reasons for suspecting Accountant feel pretty fabricated imo,
In post 913, Manuel87 wrote:
In post 911, Morning Tweet wrote: Manuel, is your favourite scum!Accountant post, right? In your own words, what's scummy about it? Perhaps I'm just not getting it.
Its not the post its what lead to that post. Accountant was doing little pushes without joining the wagon. When Transcend pointed that out, post 492 and a vote followed.

The main reason why i was scumreading Accountant though was how hard he pushed Misa when his only reasoning for her being scum was PoE.

You not voting looks scummy.
In post 929, Manuel87 wrote:Out of Tweet and Accountant i think Accountant is more likely to be scum.
Reason being he never pushed on Norska though he always had him in his PoE pile of possible scum.
leading me to believe there's an ulterior motive behind them, such as bussing or merely pushing Accountant because I'd be likely to join (given my history). This is an attempt at finding reasons to scumread Accountant for more than just PoE, which I believe is far more likely to be scum motivated.

I'm sticking with my gut on Norska being town.

Loopdan I've been leaning town, not for any original reason no one's mentioned before, though. Transcend.

Which then PoEs Accountant. I'm curious if Manuel will go through with lynching him or succumb to the confirmed scum in his eyes, Norska. This would mean voting with Accountant, though.

I'd vote for Manuel or Accountant.
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Post Post #934 (ISO) » Wed Dec 21, 2016 5:43 pm

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Accountant: Norska + Tweet
Manuel: Accountant + Norska
Loopdan: Accountant + Norska
Tweet: Manuel + Accountant

Norska?
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Post Post #935 (ISO) » Wed Dec 21, 2016 5:44 pm

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In post 933, Morning Tweet wrote:I'm sticking with my gut on Norska being town.
I honestly don't think this is advisable in a LyLo PoE situation. PoE is only as effective as the strength of your townreads, so trusting a gut read on it when a mislynch equals death is very shaky in my eyes.
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Post Post #936 (ISO) » Wed Dec 21, 2016 7:31 pm

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In post 935, Accountant wrote:
In post 933, Morning Tweet wrote:I'm sticking with my gut on Norska being town.
I honestly don't think this is advisable in a LyLo PoE situation. PoE is only as effective as the strength of your townreads, so trusting a gut read on it when a mislynch equals death is very shaky in my eyes.
I suppose I worded that poorly. It's not a gutread, I was doubting some of my reads until I ultimately decided I was right regarding Norska. A gutread would imply I'm leaning one way about his alignment but can't really reason out why, I believe.

Let's say Norska was a town gutread though, what would you recommend I do instead? If I were to add him in a scum pile with Manuel + Accountant, why would I consider him equally as possible to be scum as you two?
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Post Post #937 (ISO) » Wed Dec 21, 2016 8:14 pm

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On a personal level I treat gutreads without logical backing as nullreads - which would make Norska ineligible to be eliminated here(because PoE relies on eliminating people who you positively think are town). When you PoE scumread someone, you are saying that you think they are null objectively but someone has to be scum and it's not, eg. Loopdan, so it
has
to be two of {Manuel, Accountant, Norska}. That's what separates PoE from just picking the two people you hate the most.
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Post Post #938 (ISO) » Wed Dec 21, 2016 9:32 pm

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Still leaning on Manuel + Tweet
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Post Post #939 (ISO) » Thu Dec 22, 2016 7:17 am

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In post 933, Morning Tweet wrote:Manuel's reasons for suspecting Accountant feel pretty fabricated imo,

leading me to believe there's an ulterior motive behind them, such as bussing or merely pushing Accountant because I'd be likely to join (given my history). This is an attempt at finding reasons to scumread Accountant for more than just PoE, which I believe is far more likely to be scum motivated.
You do realize i scumread Accountant since mid day 1 right?
What makes you think my reasoning is fabricated? Accountant voted for both townlynches in his PoE pile but never even attepted a push on Norska who is most likely scum.
Explain how that is bad reasoning.
In post 933, Morning Tweet wrote: I'm sticking with my gut on Norska being town.
Can you explain this townread without using the word gut? Like something that would explain why you are still townreading him so hard?
In post 933, Morning Tweet wrote: Loopdan I've been leaning town, not for any original reason no one's mentioned before, though. Transcend.
You voted Transcend before he replaced out. Yet you say your Loop townread is based on Transcend. Can you explain that?
In post 933, Morning Tweet wrote: Which then PoEs Accountant. I'm curious if Manuel will go through with lynching him or succumb to the confirmed scum in his eyes, Norska. This would mean voting with Accountant, though.
This makes me think Accountant is actually town and you are scum with Norska. This sentence looks like it is intended to manipulate me into thinking i shouldnt vote Norska together with Accountant.
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Post Post #940 (ISO) » Thu Dec 22, 2016 7:42 am

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VOTE: Norska

I'm ready.
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Post Post #941 (ISO) » Thu Dec 22, 2016 8:14 am

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Spoiler: Manuel
In post 939, Manuel87 wrote:
In post 933, Morning Tweet wrote:Manuel's reasons for suspecting Accountant feel pretty fabricated imo,

leading me to believe there's an ulterior motive behind them, such as bussing or merely pushing Accountant because I'd be likely to join (given my history). This is an attempt at finding reasons to scumread Accountant for more than just PoE, which I believe is far more likely to be scum motivated.
You do realize i scumread Accountant since mid day 1 right?
What makes you think my reasoning is fabricated? Accountant voted for both townlynches in his PoE pile but never even attepted a push on Norska who is most likely scum.
Explain how that is bad reasoning.
I do. How long you've been scumreading him doesn't really have much to do with how good your reasoning is.

I quoted four different reasons you gave. The first three seem contrived, the fourth supports my ulterior motive point regarding needing my vote. You're only wondering about the fourth, though? Why not have me explain all of them? I'll put that in Manuel #2.
In post 933, Morning Tweet wrote: I'm sticking with my gut on Norska being town.
Can you explain this townread without using the word gut? Like something that would explain why you are still townreading him so hard?
Like I've already done? Why do you still think I'm gutreading him after I replied to Accountant on the same topic? I used gut to describe it but that was before I realized that'd imply I have no reasoning for it. I'll add a reminder below this spoiler.

In post 933, Morning Tweet wrote: Loopdan I've been leaning town, not for any original reason no one's mentioned before, though. Transcend.
You voted Transcend
before he replaced out
. Yet you say your Loop townread is based on Transcend. Can you explain that?
..?
You explained it for me. I voted Transcend before he replaced out, to pressure him on the hammer. His response to the pressure was leaving (in a way), which is why I am giving the completely unique read no one has ever thought of before. His loss of enthusiasm is town.

In post 933, Morning Tweet wrote: Which then PoEs Accountant. I'm curious if Manuel will go through with lynching him or succumb to the confirmed scum in his eyes, Norska. This would mean voting with Accountant, though.
This makes me think Accountant is actually town and you are scum with Norska. This sentence looks like it is intended to manipulate me into thinking i shouldnt vote Norska together with Accountant.
I'm implying this is the Manuel/Accountant plan, but fair enough if you're town.
Spoiler: Manuel #2
In post 913, Manuel87 wrote:
In post 911, Morning Tweet wrote: Manuel, is your favourite scum!Accountant post, right? In your own words, what's scummy about it? Perhaps I'm just not getting it.
Its not the post its what lead to that post. Accountant was doing little pushes without joining the wagon. When Transcend pointed that out, post 492 and a vote followed.
This is a case of "Do we take Accountant's word that he thought he was already voting Misa?" Your answer is no, for no apparent reason. This is literally all you have aside from your next point:


The main reason why i was scumreading Accountant though was how hard he pushed Misa when his only reasoning for her being scum was PoE.
In post 925, Morning Tweet wrote:
I'd have to agree with Accountant that PoE is not inherently scummy, especially when the scumteam is playing well. You put emphasis on how Accountant was pushing hard, but with the end of the day drawing near I'd want to push hard on my top scum suspect, too.
@Accountant: As i said its not the post itself its what lead to the post. You not voting looks scummy.
Saying you just forgot to vote is something we cant prove but the fact remains that it happened.
Again, why are you inclined to believe Accountant had a scummy reason for not voting? How would Accountant act any differently if he had legitimately not realized he wasn't already voting?
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In post 363, Morning Tweet wrote:Norska read is partially based on early on his apologetic demeanor early on in the game. He thought he made "mistakes", then apologized for his "poor performance", and finally said he's "being scumread by everyone". It hit me newbie town feeling pressured to perform well. The second half is self-explanatory. Can you imagine newb scum saying ? After flipping out over his small unvote "mistake" earlier, I seriously doubt scum!Norska would allow himself to post something like this:
In post 207, NorskaBlue wrote: Feels like there's some pressure on me. I'll possibly survive today, but I'm being read as scum be pretty much everyone.
In post 205, Accountant wrote: Why does Transcend voting WCS make you feel better? Transcend wasn't shifting his vote off you, nor was he justifying your own vote(because you're voting Char and he's voting WCS).
Better as in safer. If Char gets lynched, it won't be directly my fault. Cowardly yes, but cowards live longer.
Sure, his demeanor could be NAI. And I suppose he could have not realized how survivalistic he sounds in . Even with these possibilities, he nets a town lean for me.
In post 697, Morning Tweet wrote:
In post 687, Charloux wrote:
In post 681, Morning Tweet wrote: @Charloux How do you feel about Norska's ?
I see no town motivation in being overly cautious.
It is less "overly cautious", and more "extremely self preserving". Lines up with my townread on him. Apologetic when he thinks he's done something wrong, very concerned about staying alive. I realize that sounds scummy, but he's outright telling us he'd cowardly go along with any lynch to keep himself alive for another day. Really reminded me of someone who I used to play mafia with on his first game.
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Post Post #942 (ISO) » Thu Dec 22, 2016 8:18 am

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Votecount 3.5


[1] NorskaBlue (Loopdan)

[4] Not Voting (Accountant, Manuel87, Morning Tweet, NorskaBlue)

With 5 alive, it is 3 to lynch.

Let me know if you see any problems.

Deadline is in (expired on 2016-12-27 08:30:00)
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Post Post #943 (ISO) » Thu Dec 22, 2016 11:26 am

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UNVOTE:
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Post Post #944 (ISO) » Thu Dec 22, 2016 7:28 pm

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So you think Accountant not voting Misa despite pushing on her is not scummy? You see no scum intent in that?
Why should i not view it as soemthing scummy and brush it off as if it never happened?
I am more interested in why you are so willing to believe Accountants word? (Because you know he is town and telling the truth?)
I never said he cant really have missed voting. But him not voting there is something that scum would possibly do.
Who would be more likely to not vote (on purpose) town!Accountant or scum!Accountant?
In post 697, Morning Tweet wrote: {thatsit}
{Norska, Charloux}
{Manuel}
{Accountant}
{Transcend}

VOTE: Transcend
I think we need to pull Transcend back into the game regardless of alignment. His hammer still makes 0 sense to me and I'm not willing to let it go just yet.
No Transcend was also your bigest scumread at that time but your pressure on that spot vanished when the thatsit wagon became a thing.
Also your thatsit read changed from towniest to scummiest player yet you never wanted to vote him.
What made you change your read so drastically and why didnt you consider voting him?
In post 904, Morning Tweet wrote: If Manuel is town I'd have to admit defeat on my Norska read, most likely.
How convenient that the only way to prove i am town is lynching me. Which means scum would already win before you give up your Norska read.
All Norska did this game was intended to survive. Never in this game did he actually do something that did or could have benefited town.
Yet you keeping a hard townread on this slot without any way to explain it so ppl can understand.
On top of that you keep throwing shade at me since day 3 started. And try to convince Loopdan to change his read on me.
In post 809, Morning Tweet wrote:UNVOTE:
No surprise counter-wagons from me. Jae is killing it right now imo
I think thatsit has the highest chance of being scum, but I'm having a bit of trouble reasoning who his partner is.

Manuel and Jae wouldn't be. I believe Norska is town regardless.
My Transcend/Loopdan read pretty much slipped away since the replace, but so far I've disagreed with most of Loopdan's posting. While I don't have much experience with meta reading, Transcend was demotivated to the point of replacing out. If that isn't something he'd do as scum I see no reason for him to fake it.

And then there's Accountant. Accountant Accountant Accountant. By PoE, I would consider Accountant his most likely scumbuddy.

What about a thatsit!town world? Again, Jae and Norska are town.
Which leaves Accountant, Manuel, and Loopdan. I'm most comfortable lynching Accountant in this scenario. Loopdan/Manuel feels unlikely, and I have a preference of Manuel/Accountant to Loopdan/Accountant.
I realize my reads (barring Accountant) are similar to JaeRead's. I ended up refraining from posting yesterday because I didn't feel like I was adding anything new. However with a lynch seemingly drawing near, I'm compelled to give my take on the game before we head into nighttime.
Still not townreading Loop/Transcend. That was after i explained why Loop/Transcend is town.

My read changed to Tweet + Norska
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Post Post #945 (ISO) » Thu Dec 22, 2016 7:37 pm

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Accountant: Norska + Tweet
Manuel: Tweet + Norska
Loopdan: Accountant + Norska
Tweet: Manuel + Accountant
Norska: Manuel + Tweet

I'd rather lynch Norska over Tweet here, and I think I'm ready to vote. I will be voting Norska in 24 hours - if any of you have objections, now is the time.
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Post Post #946 (ISO) » Fri Dec 23, 2016 6:59 am

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Spoiler: Manuel
In post 944, Manuel87 wrote:So you think Accountant not voting Misa despite pushing on her is not scummy? You see no scum intent in that?
That is misinterpreting the case and my point entirely. Accountant says he thought he was already voting Misa. You don't believe it, that's fair enough but you never explain why. My point is you're using the possibility that Accountant was pushing Misa but hoping no one would notice he's not voting her as a REASON to scumread Accountant. There really is no point in bringing it up at all, it's NAI.

Why should i not view it as soemthing scummy and brush it off as if it never happened?
I am more interested in why you are so willing to believe Accountants word? (Because you know he is town and telling the truth?)
Did I say I believe it? Have I not made it clear that my point is your case sounds fake to me? You're either distancing from Accountant or (originally) trying to win Loopdan and I over to vote Accountant.

I never said he cant really have missed voting. But him not voting there is something that scum would
possibly
do.
Who would be more likely to not vote (on purpose) town!Accountant or scum!Accountant?
You're assuming Accountant is abstaining on purpose, so this is a pretty pointless question.

In post 697, Morning Tweet wrote: {thatsit}
{Norska, Charloux}
{Manuel}
{Accountant}
{Transcend}

VOTE: Transcend
I think we need to pull Transcend back into the game regardless of alignment. His hammer still makes 0 sense to me and I'm not willing to let it go just yet.
No Transcend was also your bigest scumread at that time but your pressure on that spot vanished when the thatsit wagon became a thing.
In post 941, Morning Tweet wrote:
..?
You explained it for me. I voted Transcend before he replaced out, to pressure him on the hammer.
Did you miss this? You could at least say you don't believe me.


Also your thatsit read changed from towniest to scummiest player yet you never wanted to vote him.
What made you change your read so drastically and why didnt you consider voting him?
You probably missed the transition but it's understandable enough. Aside from that, this is your only valid question.

Early on in the game I gave thatsit a newb!town read. Later on I reevaluated when Accountant asked me why I townread thatsit and I couldn't explain why. He fell down to PoE the more and more I doubted my read. He didn't jump back in the game and do anything towny or scummy so he was a null PoE who could be scum with anyone.

In post 904, Morning Tweet wrote: If Manuel is town I'd have to admit defeat on my Norska read, most likely.
How convenient that the only way to prove i am town is lynching me. Which means scum would already win before you give up your Norska read.
Back at it again throwing around meaningless arguments. I believe this was addressed to Loopdan, when I was inquiring about his Manuel read. Perhaps you could say what you find unreasonable about it, rather than jumping to the odd conclusion I would never give up my Norska read unless you're lynched.

All Norska did this game was intended to survive. Never in this game did he actually do something that did or could have benefited town.
Yet you keeping a hard townread on this slot without any way to explain it so ppl can understand.
You've changed from "You aren't explaining" to "No one can understand you". Elaborate why my Norska read is incomprehensible? I not once said I read him as town because he was helpful. Do you think it is essential to a townread that the one being read is protown?

On top of that you keep throwing shade at me since day 3 started. And try to convince Loopdan to change his read on me.
I had an open mind, I was considering Accountant/Norska as the most likely alternative. But you're correct, I am fairly sure I need to vote with Loopdan.

In post 809, Morning Tweet wrote:UNVOTE:
No surprise counter-wagons from me. Jae is killing it right now imo
I think thatsit has the highest chance of being scum, but I'm having a bit of trouble reasoning who his partner is.

Manuel and Jae wouldn't be. I believe Norska is town regardless.
My Transcend/Loopdan read pretty much slipped away since the replace,
but so far I've disagreed with most of Loopdan's posting.
While I don't have much experience with meta reading, Transcend was demotivated to the point of replacing out. If that isn't something he'd do as scum I see no reason for him to fake it.
Still not townreading Loop/Transcend. That was after i explained why Loop/Transcend is town.
What the fuck

I said my scumread deteriorated and gave a reason to townread him. The actual hell?
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Post Post #947 (ISO) » Fri Dec 23, 2016 8:33 am

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Sub out


Really sorry to be leaving at perhaps the worst possible moment. Some IRL stuff has come up and I won't have any internet access for the next few weeks. Just to clarify,
this is not because of any in-game stuff.
Bork will back me up on this.

Its been a lot of fun. Cheers Accountant for taking the time to IC/mentor us newbs. Looking forward to playing more games with y'all when I get back.

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Post Post #948 (ISO) » Fri Dec 23, 2016 8:35 am

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I am on the road - will work on replacement in a few hours. An extension will be granted.
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Post Post #949 (ISO) » Fri Dec 23, 2016 9:55 am

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In post 946, Morning Tweet wrote:
That is misinterpreting the case and my point entirely. Accountant says he thought he was already voting Misa. You don't believe it, that's fair enough but you never explain why. My point is you're using the possibility that Accountant was pushing Misa but hoping no one would notice he's not voting her as a REASON to scumread Accountant. There really is no point in bringing it up at all, it's NAI.
So instead of answering my question you throw shade at me by saying i am misrepresenting your case.
Did i ever say i am 100% sure he is lying? I said there is a possibility he didnt vote on purpose.
If what he says is true or not is something that cant be proven but the fact is he did it so i will consider the possibility he did it on purpose.
In post 946, Morning Tweet wrote:
Did I say I believe it? Have I not made it clear that my point is your case sounds fake to me? You're either distancing from Accountant or (originally) trying to win Loopdan and I over to vote Accountant.
You say it is NAI yet you think he could be lying? You contradict yourself.
In post 946, Morning Tweet wrote:
You're assuming Accountant is abstaining on purpose, so this is a pretty pointless question.
Again not answering the question. Instead you say it is pointless because your answer would contradict your reasoning again.

In post 946, Morning Tweet wrote:
Did you miss this? You could at least say you don't believe me.
I explained that you still had a scumread on him further down in the post. But your answer to this was cutting my quote so it looks more convenient for your argument.
In post 946, Morning Tweet wrote:
In post 809, Morning Tweet wrote:UNVOTE:
No surprise counter-wagons from me. Jae is killing it right now imo
I think thatsit has the highest chance of being scum, but I'm having a bit of trouble reasoning who his partner is.

Manuel and Jae wouldn't be. I believe Norska is town regardless.
My Transcend/Loopdan read pretty much slipped away since the replace,
but so far I've disagreed with most of Loopdan's posting.
While I don't have much experience with meta reading, Transcend was demotivated to the point of replacing out. If that isn't something he'd do as scum I see no reason for him to fake it.
What the fuck

I said my scumread deteriorated and gave a reason to townread him. The actual hell?
You gave a reason to townread him IF thatsit is scum.
Yet here is what you said in case thatsit is town.
In post 809, Morning Tweet wrote:UNVOTE:
What about a thatsit!town world? Again, Jae and Norska are town.
Which leaves Accountant, Manuel, and Loopdan. I'm most comfortable lynching Accountant in this scenario. Loopdan/Manuel feels unlikely, and I have a preference of Manuel/Accountant to Loopdan/Accountant.
I realize my reads (barring Accountant) are similar to JaeRead's. I ended up refraining from posting yesterday because I didn't feel like I was adding anything new. However with a lynch seemingly drawing near, I'm compelled to give my take on the game before we head into nighttime.
How is that townreading Loop?
In post 946, Morning Tweet wrote:
You probably missed the transition but it's understandable enough. Aside from that, this is your only valid question.

Early on in the game I gave thatsit a newb!town read. Later on I reevaluated when Accountant asked me why I townread thatsit and I couldn't explain why. He fell down to PoE the more and more I doubted my read. He didn't jump back in the game and do anything towny or scummy so he was a null PoE who could be scum with anyone.
So why did you never call intend or vote him when he was the most likely scum?
In post 946, Morning Tweet wrote:
Back at it again throwing around meaningless arguments. I believe this was addressed to Loopdan, when I was inquiring about his Manuel read. Perhaps you could say what you find unreasonable about it, rather than jumping to the odd conclusion I would never give up my Norska read unless you're lynched.
No the way you worded what i quoted already says you arent giving up your Norska read unless i am confirmed town. There is no way to confirm that i am town unless i am lynched or nightkilled.
In post 946, Morning Tweet wrote:
You've changed from "You aren't explaining" to "No one can understand you". Elaborate why my Norska read is incomprehensible? I not once said I read him as town because he was helpful. Do you think it is essential to a townread that the one being read is protown?
How do those 2 arguments not work together? You arent explaining your townread on a person everyone else is reading scum.
I think it is essential to be protown to be townread yes. I dont townread ppl for trying to stay alive.
In post 946, Morning Tweet wrote:
I had an open mind, I was considering Accountant/Norska as the most likely alternative. But you're correct, I am fairly sure I need to vote with Loopdan.
Yesterday you said Norska is town no matter how thatsit flips. Please show me where you actually considered scum!Norska.
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