Paranoia is a hell of a drug though.In post 4997, Human Sequencer wrote:I'm not so sure if this is entirely a joke or not, but it looks like MDS has no qualms leaving on Jester. If we can get MDS locked in as town, we can pretty well confirm Jester as town, because MDS can read Jester like a book and she clearly hasn't replaced out at this point.
Add to this that there is actually no way to start a wagon at this point because it's pre-dance.HS wrote:146
Comes out of the gate lookin' real shit lads, this looks like two scum distancing like holy shit, how did cerb flip town?
There is absolutely no logical thought behind this if it comes from town. townJester is making a stupid push over absolutely nothing. The only town motivation for this is if Jester legitimately believes what he's saying or is trying to generate more content in the early game (a ploy I love to pull) which wasn't needed at that point because everybody was hyperposting like shit. Scum motives could be distancing (or not lel) or maybe just... yknow there isn't really any scum motivation apart from distancing. It could otherwise be interpreted as trying to get a wagon started, but surely scumJester would be so much more careful of what he's saying? Would he make a double take and realize that what he's saying makes no fucking sense at all and will not amount to a wagon under any circumstances?
I came up with another town motivation too, he could very easily be trying to persuade Nahdia to refuse accepting that invitation to push his 'town don't pair with IC' agenda through a few logical leaps. Man, now I feel bad I ever scumread this post because the scumread falls apart after some simple logic.
oopsIn post 5001, Human Sequencer wrote: 2637
A little LAMIST, but he makes a good point. Scum motivation could be him trying to get towncred through pointing this out, but that falls through because Jester had posted earlier that phase and only mentioned this when asked to explain why he's town. Town motivation is literally justansweringa question.
that post is terrible. it shows no critical thought whatsoever and reads to me like he felt like he had to come up with a push early game and didn't realize how completely terrible his push was.In post 5008, Human Sequencer wrote:Pie please tell me how 146 comes from anything, anything, anything other than town and how
Other speculation irrelevant I just think clearing Jester as town for you will help you solve the rest of the game
I don't agree with Dunn being town, so probably not.In post 5009, MiniDeathStar wrote:Would you agree that if Jester is town then Dunn is also town? I don't see scum!Dunn planning around a town/town pair for endgame. It would be super next level even for him.
If you all agree on that, I'm happy to suicide now. It would give us a town/town pair in Dunn/Kagami, or worst case scenario it would remove scum. That's assuming Kagami is town, which I now think she is.
I already hold a pretty firm belief that if Jester is scum, mhsmith's defense of him is very suspect. I also hold a pretty firm belief that various things mhsmith and Parama have done over the course of the game day are indicative of a scum team without Dunn on it who doesn't want SAD to become the town pair post-your flip. I'll take a closer look at the SAD and Parama interactions.In post 5013, Kagami wrote:I maintain that you're giving smith a free pass for no good reason, pie. Could you spend 30m at some point looking at his interactions with the current lead scumspects -- {SAD, Jester, Parama}?
Yes, it is horrible. Absolutely atrocious But your analysis that town cannot play that badly as town is unfounded. There is no limit to how badly somebody can play as town. It doesn't discredit his towniness at all.In post 5018, pieguyn wrote:that post is terrible. it shows no critical thought whatsoever and reads to me like he felt like he had to come up with a push early game and didn't realize how completely terrible his push was.In post 5008, Human Sequencer wrote:Pie please tell me how 146 comes from anything, anything, anything other than town and how
Other speculation irrelevant I just think clearing Jester as town for you will help you solve the rest of the game
the entire rest of Jester's play reads the same way to me and it's why I wish I had lynched him D1. his play here is so completely shit if he's town that it was really necessary to get him out of the way yesterday so I wouldn't have to bother considering that someone could potentially play this awfully and actually be town.
We have established that Jester is a terrible player. For more proof, refer to Equilibrium Mafia on my wiki, or his play otherwise in this game. It is horrible regardless of alignment. Do still you believe he wrote that post simply to 'appear like he's scumhunting'? If he's thinking on that level, two things are true.In post 5019, Kagami wrote:The scum motivation is to appear to be scumhunting. The town motivation is also to appear to be scumhunting. I don't really think there's any other meaningful interpretation to that, and I doubt it's a next level "I'm going to go out on a limb as town to bait some kind of trap / generate content," like you're suggesting. In that case, he'd have likely commented more on the whole shadow scum-slip craziness instead of just bailing on the thread.