New Year's Eve Masquerade Ball - [Game Over]

[pieguyn]

You are pushing things that would be obviously wrong to anyone who has read my posts and relying on sheer force of will to force it through without anyone questioning it.

I do not believe for half a second that you would not be aware that I've been working with Kagami the entire game day, since I've... you know... spent literally the entire game day working with her. You are nitpicking one post and taking it out of context and using it to make an argument which is entirely semantic, and you've been doing this all game day.

[pieguyn]

Like holy name of fucking god.

Everyone should pay attention to how disingenuous Dunn's interactions with me this entire game day have been.

[Dunnstral]

but instead of actually reading and analyzing and thinking about what is going on in the game

Which I've been doing in spades, by the way. Both in thread and in my pt

Objectively true, by the way. No counterargument.

I do not believe for half a second that you would not be aware that I've been working with Kagami the entire game day, since I've... you know... spent literally the entire game day working with her.

I don't remember ever arguing about your correspondence with Kagami.

[pieguyn]

Objectively true, by the way. No counterargument.

HOW ARE PEOPLE TOWN READING THIS???

HOLY FUCK.

[pieguyn]

I'm stepping away from this conversation; I hope it's obvious to anyone who actually reads why most of what I'm saying is accurate.

[Dunnstral]

While pieguy continues to shout out about it, note that she wasn't able to come up with a counter-argument.

I've done more than my fair share of gamesolving this game., I've been all over it. pieguy's argument is that I've done none of that and just shouted at her or something

I don't find the caps rage act necessary or amusing, nor is it particularly believable at this point.

[pieguyn]

OK, you want a response? I have been making the counter-argument the entire game day. I have spent... literally, the entire game day... pointing out your reads and why they come across as shallow to me, and why a lot of the arguments you've been making seem disingenuous, and why it makes a lot of sense that you would do the things you have been doing (in particular your reaction to the Kagami-me plan) as scum.

You try to spin that I haven't been, though, because you want to drag me into a post war with you where you can flood the thread with more posts and obfuscate what I've been saying about you throughout the game day.

It's really cute that you try to spin me using caps as a "rage act", too. Try come up with an actual reason, based around my play/my motivation/things I've actually written and done in this game, to scum read me if you want to push me instead of continuing to make excuses and semantic arguments (which, o look, you've been doing the entire game).

Stepping back for real now.

[Dunnstral]

because you want to drag me into a post war with you where you can flood the thread with more posts and obfuscate what I've been saying about you throughout the game day.

I probably wouldn't even do that as scum.

[Dunnstral]

I wonder, if you are town, what emotions you will feel as I flip

Don't beat yourself up I guess if you're really angry here

[pieguyn]

Of course, throughout the duration of the game day when I've actually been making the counter-arguments for why I've disliked your play and why I don't think you're actually game solving here, you were acting pissy at me because I'm launching a crusade against little old you and refusing to consider your POV on anything.

And now I have "no counteargument" to explain why you aren't game solving.

Fucking laughable.

[Dunnstral]

Alright pieguy, when you get back, instead of trying to point out how I'm scum, tell me why you're not willing to let others listen to me if I'm town.

Surely by pushing your own agenda you're asking everyone to trust in your reads, where you'd have been wrong already this game

[Dunnstral]

Of course, throughout the duration of the game day when I've actually been making the counter-arguments for why I've disliked your play and why I don't think you're actually game solving here, you were acting pissy at me because I'm launching a crusade against little old you and refusing to consider your POV on anything.

And now I have "no counteargument" to explain why you aren't game solving.

Fucking laughable.

Well it seemed as if you believed that every post of mine painted a clear picture of me being scum

[Dunnstral]

I don't understand why, if you truly believe I'm scum, you would be getting upset about what I'm saying

[Dunnstral]

I'm not trying to make you mad, you know. Please settle down even if you think I'm being disingenuous

[pieguyn]

Alright pieguy, when you get back, instead of trying to point out how I'm scum, tell me why you're not willing to let others listen to me if I'm town.

I have said a billion times that if Kagami was to come to an agreement with you that Jester pair should be the endgame pair instead if you're town - or for why SAD/Parama are cross bussing here, or any of your other arguments - I'd most likely be willing to go along with it.

I wouldn't feel that good about any of my reads if you were to flip town here.

p-edit: I have a really weak spot for scum who employ the "flood the game" strategy. I find it a stupid strategy that doesn't require any skill to execute, but works most of the time anyway because a lot of the time people never bother to actually question someone who posts a lot and is able to feign belief in their reads and doesn't look transparently terrible. (I've actually executed this strategy before specifically to prove the point that people need to think more critically instead of just getting caught up in who is the loudest.) plus, I generally just get fired up in general when I find someone who I'm certain is scum.

even now, I feel like whenever we interact and it looks like I'm going to win the argument, you try to calm me down and reign me back in so that I stop. which isn't scum-indicative at all, but ugh.

[Dunnstral]

I'm reigning you back because I don't think your frustration with the game state is fake either way and I don't want to be the cause of you getting upset.

And you must realize, and I don't know how to put this nicely so excuse me for being blunt: it never looked like you were going to win an argument

[pieguyn]

And you must realize, and I don't know how to put this nicely so excuse me for being blunt: it never looked like you were going to win an argument

you can say this, but I don't think it's true.

as one example, see MDS seeing what I was writing and actually reading it and looking into the finer details of it and coming to the realization what I was posting about you made sense.

[Dunnstral]

Very recently you said you thought MDS might make sense as scum. I question your feeling of accomplishment if you question MDS` alignment.

[Dunnstral]

That's not meant in an accusative way. If you're town you should reconsider your reads.

[pieguyn]

for the record, that's mostly just an idea I've been keeping in the back of my head for if it becomes relevant (mostly just driven by the fact that I don't know how this game works with Jester pair as town, but at the same time everyone seems to have universally town read Jester and I'm clearly going wrong on a town read somewhere).

even in my most recent post you can see me saying that I explicitly don't know if she *actually* makes sense as scum here.

[pieguyn]

why do you have such a strong town read on the Jester/MDS pair? I have not actually seen you give any reason for it, or if you did I can't find it.

[Dunnstral]

Poe.

I'm of the opinion that there is scum in sad/scout. I do not know if it is sad or scout. Assuming your pair has scum in it, it is most likely SAD, but I could definitely see it being scout with the way he reacted to my plans/the weird allegations towards me from him.

I'm fairly certain mds is town. She engages in things that matter and the conclusions she comes to are either mostly correct but missing so mething or correctish

jester is where the poe comes into play. I'm not pretending to be 100% certain it's a town slot, but it is above 70% that he's town.

If I were to rank pairs from most likely to have scum to least:

1.mhsmith-pieguyn
2.HS-Parama
3.Scout-SAD
4.Jester-MDS
5.Me-Kagami


I'm feeling pretty good about Kagami being town now, though never really felt the need to mention it in public

[pieguyn]

I'm of the opinion that there is scum in sad/scout. I do not know if it is sad or scout. Assuming your pair has scum in it, it is most likely SAD, but I could definitely see it being scout with the way he reacted to my plans/the weird allegations towards me from him.

have Kagami and you actually talked about the possibility of the SAD/Parama crossbus in your PT at some point or another?

what do you think about what she's written about it in-thread? or if it isn't about that, why do you have a scum read on SAD?

[Dunnstral]

have Kagami and you actually talked about the possibility of the SAD/Parama crossbus in your PT at some point or another?

Yea - or at least I think we did

what do you think about what she's written about it in-thread? or if it isn't about that, why do you have a scum read on SAD?

I was of the impression that she didn't find it particularly likely. And so I'm still attempting to talk to her about it

[pieguyn]

why do you think it's likely? like, literally, run me through what posts give you the impression that it's a crossbus and why and I'll give you my opinion of it. I do a lot better with logic/reason than I do with just being told I'm wrong or that I should reassess my reads.