New Year's Eve Masquerade Ball - [Game Over]

[pieguyn]

Kagami (whenever you can get around to answering this), do you still agree with me that SAD/scout is the town pair here?

if I was to leave and mhsmith was to flip town, would you still leave?

[Dunnstral]

and I know that you have to make 1000 posts to cover the thread in noise in order to draw people's attention away from what I'm posting about you being scum, but christ it's getting old.

That's just how I post...

[Dunnstral]

So day 2 pushing parama pair I got accused of setting up 2 town mislynches (not scout sad pair even)
Now I'm accused of bussing to lynch a town pair

Your accusations keep changing to fit the current times yet they're proven false

[pieguyn]

... SAD specifically asked me why scum-you would try to come out the gate pushing him today after a scum-Parama flip.

holy fuck, you cannot be serious.

[pieguyn]

the only time I even speculated that Parama and me were the town pairs was in response to your plan, and even then I made it clear it was a probabilistic argument: that the majority of scum teams you're on would benefit from that plan. Parama and me being the town pairs is only one universe wherein scum-you would benefit from that plan, but it definitely wasn't the only one. we specifically talked about this (and I explicitly told you there were several universes where scum-you would benefit from the plan, not just the Parama/me town one) when I initially brought it up.

[Dunnstral]

No, everything I do is scummy in your eyes. Down to my posting style. You won't even engage with me when I try to talk about other people. I really hope you're town.

[pieguyn]

I know you need to make it seem that way so that people don't think too hard post-me/mhsmith town flip, but no.

I've attempted to engage you on reads several times; anyone who can look at my posts before Parama flip should be able to see that. I even specifically tried to engage you on why I don't follow the logic behind Parama's push on SAD coming off as a bus, you didn't respond to it.

[Dunnstral]

No, I've quoted things and you just say "they're town"

[inspectorscout]

When discussion is over, pie/smith leave/get lynched.
Pie scum--> kill me/arthur
Smith scum --> kill dunn/kagami

If neither of those work immediqtely get jester/mds

Thats game90% sure

[Dunnstral]

Smith scum --> kill dunn/kagami

Why?????

[pieguyn]

maybe it's because... every single engagement we've had has ended in you either ignoring me, making excuses, or attempting to discredit me, and I don't really feel like wasting any more time on it?

literally every fucking engagement we've had this game day. such a paragon of towniness. at this point, I'm making mhsmith dead, and either I'm just wrong on you or you'll be made dead after I flip.

p-edit: _thank you_, scout.

[Dunnstral]

p-edit: _thank you_, scout.

What? You think I'm scum even if smith is?

[MiniDeathStar]

Jester has said literally nothing since the replacement debacle. It makes it incredibly difficult to reassess him after Parama's scum flip.

I actually kind of agree with pie on lynching Smith, then if scum I suicide, if we're town/town it'll be between Dunn/Kagami and Arthur/Inspector and I trust Dunn pair over Arthur pair because I just don't see scum!Dunn playing around my pair as town/town. Also Arthur is the only one who has been super dead certain on surviving till endgame and never ever dying, and whose reads have basically never changed.

I will have to reread Parama/Arthur interactions in specific though, and see if the double bus theory really makes as much sense as Dunn wants it to.

Also Merry Christmas

[pieguyn]

wait, WTF?

I misread your post. scout, why is Jester/MDS the scum pair if we're town and not Dunn/Kagami?

[Dunnstral]

then if scum I suicide

No you don't

[Dunnstral]

Actually


That might not be a bad idea, but I'll think on it

[Dunnstral]

wait, WTF?

I misread your post. scout, why is Jester/MDS the scum pair if we're town and not Dunn/Kagami?

You don't think it's weird he's saying if smith is scum I should be lynched?

[pieguyn]

wait hang on.

jesus fucking christ I need sleep. scout, if we flip town/town, you agree that Jester and Dunn are the scum pairs?

[MiniDeathStar]

FYPOV on scum!Smith it should be 1 of {Jester, Arthur, Kagami}. Who would you get? Parama has been defending me all game and Smith never made anything more than a weak push on my pair. Jester townread both of them. Idk if I still want to put as much faith in my Jester read if both of those turn out to be scum.

[pieguyn]

MDS, do you agree with me that mhsmith-town implies one or more scum in the Dunn/Kagami pair?

[Dunnstral]

FYPOV on scum!Smith it should be 1 of {Jester, Arthur, Kagami}. Who would you get? Parama has been defending me all game and Smith never made anything more than a weak push on my pair. Jester townread both of them. Idk if I still want to put as much faith in my Jester read if both of those turn out to be scum.

The thing is, if we flip smith first and he's scum I'd STILL go for arthur - except I'd know it's probably not scout

If we go for scout-sad first like I'm suggesting, we'll have the benefit of seeing whether scout is town or not (and if he's not... reevaluate mhsmith)

It's just a lot less optimal to flip mhsmith first and there's the danger of him being town and me getting suicided because pie's trying to be a hero instead of making the smart play

[pieguyn]

It's just a lot less optimal to flip mhsmith first and there's the danger of him being town and me getting suicided because pie's trying to be a hero instead of making the smart play

except for the part where if you're scum, this would give you the easiest MYLO lynch in the history of the game on my pair and you'll go on to win the game.

my pair needs to die before anyone else - because even if it's town/town, what we are absolutely needs to be cleared up before a MYLO situation.

[MiniDeathStar]

MDS, do you agree with me that mhsmith-town implies one or more scum in the Dunn/Kagami pair?

Kind of. I don't see Jester being scum with Arthur/Inspector since they've both been taking jabs at me all game and never at him. The only thing that makes me uneasy is that Arthur said *very tentatively* that he'd hammer my wagon over Shadow's if we got to L-1 first but it was more like "I just want *any flip* before intermission" kind of deal. It just struck me as unusual since he had hard-scumread me all game? I just didn't think much of it at the time because I was townreading him on tone.

[Dunnstral]

except for the part where if you're scum, this would give you the easiest MYLO lynch in the history of the game on my pair and you'll go on to win the game.

Well, what am I supposed to do about that?
You have an overwhelming paranoia that I'm scum and so you oppose anything I do

If I suicide you've shown you still won't listen to me + your pair would die too

Can you piicture why this is frustrating for me/I can't do anything if you consider me as town

[The_Jester]

I'm gonna solve this game, just you wait!