New Year's Eve Masquerade Ball - [Game Over]

[The_Jester]

SAD if you're gonna blacklist me, just do it instead of making a scene and going full LAMIST.
I'm gonna tell you who's scum today for reals now

[Dunnstral]

Hopefully you stick around to chat

[Dunnstral]

She cut off discussion

What? My pair was going to suicide with time running out...

[Dunnstral]

And there's no night phase so "cut off discussion" doesn't mean anything

[Dunnstral]

for the record, the only reason I'm on The_Jester and not mhsmith0 is that I'd like a chance to be able to discuss reads with Kagami with a scum flip on the table (and Nahdia if they're still alive).

if we lynch The_Jester (likely regardless of what he flips), or if we get a scum flip somewhere else, or if Kagami decides to ditch me and go ahead and vote us, then I likely will self vote (and SAD is correct that this approach kills me if I'm scum, since once one of these things happens I really have no option but to invent some reason to push someone else and I look like obvscum).

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What are you trying to say here

[Dunnstral]

Me and pie is lol

Clarify this? You/pie is something I've been mulling over, and it's seems realistic on a conceptual basis, with you bussing pie for town credit to coast to endgame, with pie maybe sinking Dunn/kagami before bowing out. What exactly disqualifies this pairing in particular (I'd think you can't be arguing "because I'm town" here since it seems like this pairing in particular is what bugs you as an idea).

So you think Pie is faking her anger/getting mad as scum?

And you think she's faking the suicide thing? If I just said "ok suicide" what would she do?

[Dunnstral]

^5264 is a flagrant town post by SAD. Still not sure about scout, but unless there's evidence SAD is a VERY good actor that just looks town.

To play devil's advocate, I don't see any evidence to the contrary.


Though more likely than not if anything scout is scum anyway

[Dunnstral]

if Dunn is scum and he's scum

if Dunn is scum and he's scum

Evening lady pieguy

[MiniDeathStar]

Sooo Jester's finally posting in our PT again (yay!). He drew my attention to his/Parama's earliest interactions. Things of note:

- Parama claimed scum. I wish I'd noticed that earlier because it's become something mostly done by the real scum.
- Parama also insisted it was 1 lady 2 gentlemen, which Jester noticed and it wouldn't surprise me if it's true. Other scum are probably dudes.
- There's *a lot* of misrepresentations of Jester's arguments which doesn't really look like bussing.
- Which makes me think Parama's soft (and hard) defending of me was only because I also suspected Shadow. She was pocketing me.

Thoughts?

[Dunnstral]

Also I don't think jester is intentionally lurking as a strategy regardless of alignment.

[Dunnstral]

- Parama also insisted it was 1 lady 2 gentlemen, which Jester noticed and it wouldn't surprise me if it's true. Other scum are probably dudes.

Quote it?

[Dunnstral]

- There's *a lot* of misrepresentations of Jester's arguments which doesn't really look like bussing.

Who would you point that misrep finger at

[MiniDeathStar]

Speaking of which...2 mafia gentlemen, one lady? Vice versa? Anyone have any thoughts on what's more likely?

$10 says RNG determined this

i thought we already discussed this it's 2 guys 1 girl
that's why i had to pay human my hard-earned pokedollars

[mhsmith0]

for the record, the only reason I'm on The_Jester and not mhsmith0 is that I'd like a chance to be able to discuss reads with Kagami with a scum flip on the table (and Nahdia if they're still alive).

if we lynch The_Jester (likely regardless of what he flips), or if we get a scum flip somewhere else, or if Kagami decides to ditch me and go ahead and vote us, then I likely will self vote (and SAD is correct that this approach kills me if I'm scum, since once one of these things happens I really have no option but to invent some reason to push someone else and I look like obvscum).

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What are you trying to say here

That she earlier had laid out criteria to self vote, those criteria have been met, she still states suspicion on me, and she's not voting, and I'm suspicious she's just inventing a reason to not be doing that.

Me and pie is lol

Clarify this? You/pie is something I've been mulling over, and it's seems realistic on a conceptual basis, with you bussing pie for town credit to coast to endgame, with pie maybe sinking Dunn/kagami before bowing out. What exactly disqualifies this pairing in particular (I'd think you can't be arguing "because I'm town" here since it seems like this pairing in particular is what bugs you as an idea).

So you think Pie is faking her anger/getting mad as scum?

And you think she's faking the suicide thing? If I just said "ok suicide" what would she do?

Oh she's clearly faking the suicide thing, the question is if it's for villagery reasons or not. She's been pretty clear for a while that she's not actually going to suicide, so if she lies about it and does so anyway, then that's on her and I'll just shit on her in dead thread (unless she's scum in which case it depends on the situational context).

Wrt the anger, that was basically the only thing I was townreading her for (basically everything else could be faked easily enough). If I was simply wrong on that, then she could be scum.

[Dunnstral]

Post 76 isn't insisting it's 2 gents 1 lady... it looks like the opposite

Need to see the context of 104 but I wouldn't put too much stock into it - there isn't a reason for parama to start panicking and reveal the composition (which is disadvantageous to them) and it's easily wifomable and it's talking about nothing at the start


Hopefully pie doesn't call out this post as pushing an agenda. (Because it's not)

[mhsmith0]

@mds: which misreps in partuclar stand out to you? I could look myself but since I think you have a list I'd rather you just provide it.

[MiniDeathStar]

Umm guys are there bad guys in this setup???

eeewww

Btw it should be noted this flavor is very not sjw friendly.

what the hell?

Jester is scum.

ahh finally someone i can like

jester literally just argued in favor of pairing a scum with the mod-confirmed town

personally i think jester has already posted plenty to warrant a scumread in this game alone, even ignoring any meta stuff (i have no clue who you are)

Jester has a point about Cerb.

he really, truly doesn't.
did you read his post
it's literally an argument for pairing scum up with the IC

Found the first scum.

First, town have no bussiness pairing with IC cause that doesn't amount to them solving the game in any way.

That overblown explanation in #98 looks like nervous scum. Second, that 'innocent' setup spec question looks like taken straight outta scumbook.

"town have no business pairing with IC" ---> "only scum should pair with the IC"

Found the first scum.

First, town have no bussiness pairing with IC cause that doesn't amount to them solving the game in any way.

That overblown explanation in #98 looks like nervous scum. Second, that 'innocent' setup spec question looks like taken straight outta scumbook.

"town have no business pairing with IC" ---> "only scum should pair with the IC"

I dunno whether I'm dumb or you are. That's what I said, what's your problem with it? Town have literally no reason to waste the pt mechanic on having chitchat with other town instead of looking for scum. I don't get what you're saying.

Also hands off my Jester please. I literally signed up to play with him, we're not lynching him this quickly. Idc if he's scum or not.

screw right off, honestly

I dunno whether I'm dumb or you are. That's what I said, what's your problem with it? Town have literally no reason to waste the pt mechanic on having chitchat with other town instead of looking for scum. I don't get what you're saying.

i see now that it is futile to even waste my time responding to you because you
1. have clearly missed the entire point
2. are completely backwards in your logic here
3. are scum anyways so who gives a damn

screw right off, honestly

Sorry but no. Your reads suck.

you say, after pairing up with scum

This feels like a rerun of this game. ISO Jester there and tell me if you still think he's scum.

no thanks. i don't care about other games when he's scum in this one

(screw meta)

[MiniDeathStar]

Basically she keeps presenting his argument in some vague bad light without even caring to elaborate. I mean, I thought he was scum for the jab on Cerbobs, too, but at least I saw he had a point (as in, proper town strategy would be to not propose to the IC at all and force scum to pair up them).

[inspectorscout]

@mhsmith (and well, funnstral as well)

As I said, what do you want me to say? I can't exactly say "I'm physically incapable to bus pie!scum as scum" because I'm not. I know I'm not doing it because I'm town, but that is something you don't know. For me it seems illogical for pie and me to be a scumteam; for you it doesn't seem to be.

I'm not at all angry that HS was leaving, at all. I just think she cut off discussion - discussion with her, Mr. Funnstral - rather than anything else. And I still believe we should've lynched pie/smith.

[Dunnstral]

Once again, I never said you were scum with pie

[pieguyn]

That she earlier had laid out criteria to self vote, those criteria have been met, she still states suspicion on me, and she's not voting, and I'm suspicious she's just inventing a reason to not be doing that.

have you read the game at all?

my stance today is very clearly that once I sort out everything I need to sort out in case you're town, I'm self voting.

[pieguyn]

Parama->Jester interactions are actually very interesting. they make all of those posts about Jester, but then a while later once Jester actually had a serious wagon they arbitrarily drop the scum read, counterwagon SAD/scout who only had one vote at the time ([post]2528[/pst]), and chainsaw Kagami over her Jester push.

so no, there is none of this "lolol Parama gave up a pretty much free town lynch to crossbus SAD", there is "Parama tried to soft distance from Jester without actually pushing him".

[pieguyn]

Parama->Jester interactions are actually very interesting. they make all of those posts about Jester, but then a while later once Jester actually had a serious wagon they arbitrarily drop the scum read, counterwagon SAD/scout who only had one vote at the time (2528), and chainsaw Kagami over her Jester push.

so no, there is none of this "lolol Parama gave up a pretty much free town lynch to crossbus SAD", there is "Parama tried to soft distance from Jester without actually pushing him".

[MiniDeathStar]

Where did she chainsaw Kagami? Was it recently or around that time?

[pieguyn]

that isn't scum who saw two viable town lynches and went "let's ignore both of them and crossbus my partner!!1", that's a scum who saw the Jester wagon take off and worried that their S_S counterwagon wouldn't get any more momentum, so they try to start a new one.

I have no fucking idea why people contest this and claim the SAD/Parama stuff going on was all a crossbus.

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