New Year's Eve Masquerade Ball - [Game Over]

[pieguyn]

remember their interaction with you where you asked them "who is scum if me/Jester is T/T" and they gave a bunch of names and then went "teehee, I don't actually think you or Jester or scum anymore"? and then took your 2655 and used it as reason to back off of him (instead of... you know... expressing any kind of town read on his play)?

their Jester read stands out to me, and I don't think it was done out of obligation, Jester was very clearly a viable lynch.

[Dunnstral]

*sigh* it's pretty obvious I'm not going to get the votes I need on sad-scout (the optimal lynch for today)

Pieguy's shouting out against me and kagami isn't inclined to vote outside of smith

[Dunnstral]

Where did jester go

[Dunnstral]

Lady Pieguy, I believe you and I can have a lovely talk once this game is over

[pieguyn]

if you think I'm wrong, why don't you just... engage with the argument I'm making... ?

oh wait... you haven't been able to engage with me literally any time I've pointed out arguments for you reads being wrong. because you're not actually thinking and forming reads, you are pushing reads according to an agenda and attempting to just ignore any counter-argument and hope no one realizes what you're doing.

[pieguyn]

don't even bother responding to that post, btw, I know you're just going to make something up about how "OMG I've engaged and considered everything, stop misrep'ing me!"

[Dunnstral]

that isn't scum who saw two viable town lynches and went "let's ignore both of them and crossbus my partner!!1", that's a scum who saw the Jester wagon take off and worried that their S_S counterwagon wouldn't get any more momentum, so they try to start a new one.

I have no fucking idea why people contest this and claim the SAD/Parama stuff going on was all a crossbus.

p-edit: 2841

For 2841, why can't jester pair be town and parama is setting up to make kagami look bad if they flip (which seemed likely at the time If I remember correctly)

[Dunnstral]

don't even bother responding to that post, btw, I know you're just going to make something up about how "OMG I've engaged and considered everything, stop misrep'ing me!"

[Dunnstral]

my stance today is very clearly that once I sort out everything I need to sort out in case you're town, I'm self voting.

Thought you were suiciding?

[Dunnstral]

that isn't scum who saw two viable town lynches and went "let's ignore both of them and crossbus my partner!!1"

Yet I am that scum apparently

[Dunnstral]

if you think I'm wrong, why don't you just... engage with the argument I'm making... ?

You and I both know you don't care for my arguments

[Dunnstral]

Lady pieguy, do you agree that if mhsmith flips scum scout-SAD should be lynched over me-kagami?

[pieguyn]

For 2841, why can't jester pair be town and parama is setting up to make kagami look bad if they flip (which seemed likely at the time If I remember correctly)

could it happen? sure. do I think it's anywhere as likely as the alternative, given everything else Parama did surrounding Jester that game day? no.

there's also that the way they actually pushed Kagami over it in the post doesn't read as genuine to me at all - usually if you're scum and you're trying to make a point that a town player's push on a town player is bad, you actually believe in it and you're doing it as a way to generate genuine-sounding content. not just "derp Kagami's argument is bad, I'm going to just write her off as scum for it and not draw any more attention onto it but still keep her as a scum read 300 posts later and into D2. teehee don't look at me".

[pieguyn]

that isn't scum who saw two viable town lynches and went "let's ignore both of them and crossbus my partner!!1"

Yet I am that scum apparently

...

what I actually said was that if you were scum, Jester would have to be the third scum, specifically because SAD being scum would mean this is what happened, and I didn't think you would do this as scum...

Lady pieguy, do you agree that if mhsmith flips scum scout-SAD should be lynched over me-kagami?

if mhsmith flips scum, your pair is town/town, you two should survive to endgame. I don't contest that at all.

[Dunnstral]

what I actually said was that if you were scum, Jester would have to be the third scum, specifically because SAD being scum would mean this is what happened, and I didn't think you would do this as scum...

Don't forget about shadow/mariaR.

[pieguyn]

what I actually said was that if you were scum, Jester would have to be the third scum, specifically because SAD being scum would mean this is what happened, and I didn't think you would do this as scum...

Don't forget about shadow/mariaR.

D1, once you finally placed a vote, you spent the entire game day pushing my pair and didn't move your vote at all. I don't understand in what universe this counts as "hard bussing a partner counter to two town lynches".

[Dunnstral]

once you finally placed a vote,

Don't act like I was or ever have been conservative with my vote this game or something

[pieguyn]

sorry, let me revise my argument. D1 you started on Jester, hopped off onto GE when GE became viable, Vedith suicided, you went back on Jester, then hopped off and went onto us when we became viable (while IGNORING the entire mhsmith/me shitfight which in my opinion is definitely the most compelling reason for mhsmith being town if he is town here).

then D2 comes up and you try to claim you're suspicious of Kagami, so you don't want to push Jester.

explain to me how this is the same scenario?

[Dunnstral]

(while IGNORING the entire mhsmith/me shitfight which in my opinion is definitely the most compelling reason for mhsmith being town if he is town here).

Because I wasn't really available during the ~2 hours that was going on

[Dunnstral]

then D2 comes up and you try to claim you're suspicious of Kagami, so you don't want to push Jester.

Do you think that this is any cause for alarm?

You don't think that can be a real conclusion coming from a real read?

[Dunnstral]

explain to me how this is the same scenario?

Guess I was just accounting for future events.

[pieguyn]

(while IGNORING the entire mhsmith/me shitfight which in my opinion is definitely the most compelling reason for mhsmith being town if he is town here).

Because I wasn't really available during the ~2 hours that was going on

OH, HELL NO. ABSOLUTELY NOT.

THIS IS NOT WHAT HAPPENED. I SPECIFICALLY ASKED YOU WHEN D2 STARTED WHAT YOUR OPINION OF THE MHSMITH/ME FIGHT WAS AND WHY YOU DIDN'T SEEM TO BE FACTORING IT INTO YOUR READ ON MY PAIR AT ALL. YOU TRIED TO CLAIM YOU *HAD* FACTORED IT IN, AND GAVE THE EXCUSE THAT "I DON'T THINK IT WAS FAKED, I STILL THINK THERE'S SCUM THERE" FOR WHY YOU WERE CONTINUING TO PUSH OUR PAIR.

YOU ARE SO FUCKING FULL OF IT.

[Dunnstral]

But I really wasn't there when it was going down.... Which is what I actually said there

[pieguyn]

yes, yes, then D2 started and you still continued to push us without critically engaging with it at all.

so town! totally not hoping to keep us in as a mislynch option when the alternate lynch options are both of your partners!

[Dunnstral]

But I pulled off and acknowledged there was a better order to lynch in.

And your pair isn't confirmed town.... Your arguments are assuming it is