New Year's Eve Masquerade Ball - [Game Over]

[Dunnstral]

Nah I explained this

If you're scum mhsmith probably isn't... which means I'd lose from that as well

[Dunnstral]

Btw don't let scout get away with that

[Dunnstral]

You claim to lose if i flip town, as you claim to be a T-T pair that will be lynched after my flip.

Also, I do not think you are a town pair. This general consensus that you are is going to lose us the game.

[Dunnstral]

ok scout

If your pair is both town, I will suicide after.

Now suicide. I'm fulfilling your conditions so I won't let you back down from saying that.

[Dunnstral]

ftr I think I'm more confident in scout-sad scum than I am in mhsmith scum so this is just a better version of what pieguy is trying to do.

It shouldn't matter to pieguy

[pieguyn]

no one suicide.

[Dunnstral]

Nah don't cover for scout. He's a grown up and he can make grown up decisions...

like suicide

[pieguyn]

mhsmith/Jester remains a very viable possibility. if that's the universe we're in, what Dunn is attempting to do here would be the dumbest possible outcome.

if anyone is suiciding this day phase, it's me - in fact, I actually am mostly just waiting around to discuss a few things with Kagami again and then I'll do whatever of self-voting/suiciding/etc. I think is better given the gamestate.

[Dunnstral]

Didn't mean for that to sound so bad but you know what I mean

[pieguyn]

like Dunn, at this point what you're attempting to do if you're town is going into straight up "I'm going to gamble on my reads being correct and I'm throwing the game if it's wrong" territory.

when it's ME (the person who has a reputation for taking a leadership position over games and then losing due to having wrong reads, including the last dance game) saying this, there's a huge fucking problem.

[pieguyn]

I don't think you're that arrogant of a player to where you're willing to do things like that. not in the way you would be here, anyway, since hell at least in all of my games I do it by fairly pushing the lynches I want.

[Dunnstral]

You're the one gambling the game by threatening to suicide?

You're forgetting that scout/sad + jester is also a very real possibility. In fact, sad + mhsmith also exists as a possibility so maybe it doesn't even matter. But I don't want you to go before scout because if HE'S SCUM, your pair probably isn't. And my pair still isn't but you know if your pair flips town my pair goes after

[Dunnstral]

I don't think you're that arrogant of a player

It's not about being arrogant

take a step back and realize why I'm being driven to do this

[Dunnstral]

like let me drive this argument in again: if your pair and my pair are both town, you'd have driven in the argument that I must be scum if mhsmith is town so deep that kagami will just suicide on me as you guys flip

[Dunnstral]

since hell at least in all of my games I do it by fairly pushing the lynches I want.

People won't lynch what I want.

[Dunnstral]

at this point what you're attempting to do if you're town is going into straight up "I'm going to gamble on my reads being correct and I'm throwing the game if it's wrong" territory.

How is it different from what you're doing?

[Dunnstral]

also scout isn't a grown up.

[pieguyn]

You're the one gambling the game by threatening to suicide?

You're forgetting that scout/sad + jester is also a very real possibility. In fact, sad + mhsmith also exists as a possibility so maybe it doesn't even matter. But I don't want you to go before scout because if HE'S SCUM, your pair probably isn't. And my pair still isn't but you know if your pair flips town my pair goes after

yes, but, the thing is, notice how whenever people disagree with an argument I'm pushing, I can engage them and break down the argument and explain to them why I think my argument is correct, where they're going wrong in arguing counter to it, and actually back up my reads and point back to posts that support what I'm saying. whenever people disagree with your reads, you largely just either ignore them or make half-assed excuses and continue to push your reads anyway. also notice how this entire game day I've been measuring my reads against Kagami's to some extent, specifically to make sure I'm not going wrong with my reads anywhere...

so no, it isn't the same thing, at all.

[pieguyn]

to be absolutely clear, scout, just in case there was any doubt, you're still not suiciding. this is Dunn attempting to bait you into doing it and ignoring the people telling you that it isn't the optimal play.

[Dunnstral]

Why do you care if I'm scum baiting a town pair into suiciding?
Btw if I'm scum and doing that it ends in me losing. (Assuming I can't be with mhsmith pair)
So please... just think and realize I wouldn't be playing for a loss as scum

[pieguyn]

Why do you care if I'm scum baiting a town pair into suiciding?
Btw if I'm scum and doing that it ends in me losing. (Assuming I can't be with mhsmith pair)
So please... just think and realize I wouldn't be playing for a loss as scum

if you-scum can take SAD-pair out on your way down, then the end result is a 4p MYLO where it's a tossup between Jester (or MDS if she's actually the scum in that pair - don't think this is likely, though) and mhsmith.

Jester has much better odds of winning that than he would a 4p MYLO vs. SAD/scout, which is a pretty much sure loss for him. so while it's a bit of an unorthodox approach, I don't think it's an unreasonable one, no, and that's not even considering that you can always just try to make the argument you're making in this post and if you're really lucky you might get out of it.

[Dunnstral]

Nah you're alive too and it's obvious what you'd do. You're treating me like I'm some terrible scum player

[Dunnstral]

I want you to understand my point of view on the scout-sad thing

[pieguyn]

what you pointed out about Parama is actually something I've been pointing out about their play since very early in the game. they were pretty much hyper-focused on pushing S_S, in a way much similar to what they're doing to SAD now, to the exclusion of almost everything else, and their reasoning for doing so (not just the "scum slip". all of their reasoning) was as shallow and empty as their reasoning for SAD is now. they did make passing comments about other people D1, but I don't exactly think this has changed about their play - you can see them poking e.g. you, and even though they aren't really doing anything to push it, they didn't do anything to push anything outside of S_S D1 either.

your response to this argument is... ?

see, the thing is, I don't think you have one, because you can't make up an answer to this that explains why you noticed how awful Parama's S_S push D1 was but didn't pursue them for it.

[Dunnstral]

What? You pointed that out and then Hs suicided and parama flipped. That was old news