New Year's Eve Masquerade Ball - [Game Over]

[Dunnstral]

See here's the thing; they weren't. Hs pushed arthur harder than parama did

[inspectorscout]

I'm waiting for more opinions before I make any move pie.

and meanwhile hope kagami takes down dunn

Im playing with the possibility of jester-smith, actually
Although dunn-smith is still my fav

[Dunnstral]

Iparama slouched away and did nothing while they were going down. Bussing.

[Dunnstral]

ok scout

If your pair is both town, I will suicide after.

Now suicide. I'm fulfilling your conditions so I won't let you back down from saying that.

also scout isn't a grown up.

Your response?

[inspectorscout]

The second quote is unnecessary.

The first is fine. I'll get back to you after discussion in my blood altar.

[pieguyn]

See here's the thing; they weren't. Hs pushed arthur harder than parama did

...... you're not this fucking dense. your entire argument was that Parama was being bussed because their posts D2 and their SAD push D2 were really off compared to their posts D1 (and the nightkill, but that isn't an argument). I'm arguing that their posts D1 and their S_S push D1 were as bad as their posts D2, and I'm also pointing out that I rightfully pointed this out about them on D1.

also of note, when I pointed the latter out earlier, you just made excuses about how some other things they looked town and that what I was saying about their pushes D1 being bad was somehow invalidated by me saying that some other things they did looked town, despite it being not related to the key point: that no, there is nothing different from how they pushed S_S D1 and how they pushed SAD D2

[Dunnstral]

When you pointed it out earlier, you asked me a different question.

[Dunnstral]

Parama wasn't in danger day 1
He was day 2. And they didn't care all that much

[pieguyn]

Parama wasn't in danger day 1
He was day 2. And they didn't care all that much

... if this is your argument, how is this even an argument for their play being different D1 and D2?

[Dunnstral]

Huh? Their posting still changed. Day 1 there was real bravado. Real intent to get shadow lynched. There wasn't any of that on Sad. I could

sense

it

[pieguyn]

I agree with their play being D2 being really flat. I don't think it's indicative of them being bussed, though, I think it's indicative of them having a wagon on them that was pretty much guaranteed not to dissipate. and even if it by some miracle *did* (I don't count how it actually played out, since they would have been lynched if we couldn't agree on a plan, we just paused it for a bit to attempt to agree on a plan), they still might just run into HS doing what she did here and suiciding on them.

p-edit: I don't agree with that assessment at all, actually. with S_S, they might have used a lot of strong/emphatic language and the like, but they still didn't actually *do* anything. they largely just sat there and made shallow arguments and took potshots at him, including the way they circled back around to the "scum slip" over and over, and there was no actual push from them to lynch him.

[Dunnstral]

Why do you care if I'm scum baiting a town pair into suiciding?
Btw if I'm scum and doing that it ends in me losing. (Assuming I can't be with mhsmith pair)
So please... just think and realize I wouldn't be playing for a loss as scum

if you-scum can take SAD-pair out on your way down, then the end result is a 4p MYLO where it's a tossup between Jester (or MDS if she's actually the scum in that pair - don't think this is likely, though) and mhsmith.

Jester has much better odds of winning that than he would a 4p MYLO vs. SAD/scout, which is a pretty much sure loss for him. so while it's a bit of an unorthodox approach, I don't think it's an unreasonable one, no, and that's not even considering that you can always just try to make the argument you're making in this post and if you're really lucky you might get out of it.

Nah you're alive too and it's obvious what you'd do. You're treating me like I'm some terrible scum player

I still think this alone is reason to listen to me

Btw you're not troubled by scout saying the scumteam is me + smith?

[pieguyn]

hang on a sec, I'm pulling up some of Parama's posts.

p-edit: I actually am starting to doubt that you/mhsmith is impossible, too. I might just be being paranoid, but I've at least thought it.

[Dunnstral]

And what made you doubt?

[Dunnstral]

I thought your paranoi was reserved for me? Everyone else is town or my partner?

[pieguyn]

actually instead of pulling specific posts, I'll just say that if Parama really had conviction to see S_S lynched here, they wouldn't have done that whole "durr I don't know who to lynch, the wagon movement has me worried, oh look SAD did this let's *unvote* and sit around for a while and try push SAD instead". they wouldn't have been so indecisive over it, they easily could have hard pushed it if that's what they wanted to do.

they didn't. because they weren't hard pushing S_S. they were trying to cast doubt on the wagon in order to make SAD look bad for after it flipped.

I highly recommend you just reread their ISO, their posts in general just don't read like a hard push at all and I don't know where you get this assessment from.

[Dunnstral]

Ok. We can go through their iso tomorrow for me

[Ser Arthur Dayne]

I think me and inspector are both fine with leaving dance. I've resigned that it's better to leave now than be pushed during a potential lylo or endgame and then lose for town that way.

Please don't rule out Dunn/mhsmith. If mhsmith flips scum the people left will have to choose between Dunn and Jester/MDS. That is not a situation I want to be in, but I will say that if I were I would probably go for Dunn in the end for his push on a town/town pair to leave dance. It will up to you Kagami though.

If inspector is actually scum then go nuts I don't have any advice. (Actually real talk if he is scum then keep mhsmith alive, but if he does leave dance - and I'll wait for him to do the dead - then 99% sure he's town and this is not a long con gambit to have mhsmith his partner win by endgaming).

[pieguyn]

what the fuck am I reading?

don't suicide, you two are both town and pretty much everyone except for like Dunn agrees that you two are town/town. there is no need to.

[inspectorscout]

Then why haven't we lynched funnstral or smith yet?!

[The_Jester]

I don't really wanna see scout/sad suicide right now. I'd rather see smith/pie flip

VOTE: smith/pie

[pieguyn]

Then why haven't we lynched funnstral or smith yet?!

I am literally just waiting for Kagami to come to a conclusion about whether she can commit to suiciding if my pair flips town/town. after that, I'm making myself dead, no questions.

[Kagami]

Meh, I don't think I'll ever have time to really dig into it this week. Kids are off school, so I'm "working from home" while watching them, which is basically impossible.

So sure, suicide pact is on.

[mhsmith0]

I don't really wanna see scout/sad suicide right now. I'd rather see smith/pie flip

VOTE: smith/pie

Which of us do you think is scum? And why? And if we flip town/town, what exactly would this teach you?

[Dunnstral]

I guess we're betting the game on mhsmith pair being scum