Wanna compare that to what he's done in LYLO here?Call it a quirk of my playstyle - I believe it's important for town to find something they can hammer on and throw down the gauntlet. I did it for Huntress and I did it for Scarlet.
Unfortunately, ICs are not allowed to self vote as town. So I can't self vote! I agree that caught scum should definitely self hammer in this situation, and I have done something similar as well.In post 1038, mhsmith0 wrote:Ps this is where "scum should self hammer and end discussion" comes up as a relevant point btw /IC hat
This is a disgusting quote mining attempt. The context in those games is completely different; in the first I was very confident about who I thought was scum, while in this game I've been uncertain about my reads - everyone was. If you want to see me hesitate in LyLo as town, check out Stop and Go mafia, where I was even more confident than here(was fairly sure Thor was mafia). Or checkout that game with the mod I can't remember(karnos, Transcend, Killthestory were in it, I'll dig up the link if you want) where I was town and didn't rush to vote in LyLo.In post 1050, mhsmith0 wrote:Btw here was accountant postgame in the last game I modded of his, where as town he confidently threw down a vote in LYLO on a townie after having been wrong basically all game, and then went to sleep to boot
I don't care ifIn post 1055, mhsmith0 wrote:Why would I try to see other games where you might have hesitated when you're mechancially locked scum and I'm just casing and trying to convince at his point?
Out of curiosity, I looked up stop and goIn post 1054, Accountant wrote:This is a disgusting quote mining attempt. The context in those games is completely different; in the first I was very confident about who I thought was scum, while in this game I've been uncertain about my reads - everyone was. If you want to see me hesitate in LyLo as town, check out Stop and Go mafia, where I was even more confident than here(was fairly sure Thor was mafia). Or checkout that game with the mod I can't remember(karnos, Transcend, Killthestory were in it, I'll dig up the link if you want) where I was town and didn't rush to vote in LyLo.In post 1050, mhsmith0 wrote:Btw here was accountant postgame in the last game I modded of his, where as town he confidently threw down a vote in LYLO on a townie after having been wrong basically all game, and then went to sleep to boot
Yes, and I've changed my playstyle since then, as evidenced by Stop and Go mafia, which was after the game you cited. Clearly if I still thought it was optimal play, I wouldn't have played the way I did in Stop and Go. Or do you think that I wouldn't reevaluate my playstyle after a game as disastrous as that?In post 1055, mhsmith0 wrote:Also the relevant point is you discussing your play style and what you consider optimal. That you quick votes there isn't as relevant as the fact that you explicitly talked about the fact that you thought that doing so was optimal play.
Big walls and cockiness are traditional smith scum tellsIn post 1056, Accountant wrote:Loopdan and Manuel, the decision is up to you. All I'm asking is that you calmly consider the events of the game rather than being swayed by mhsmith's big walls and cockiness. His repeated statements about me being caught scum who should self hammer are a way to bullshit himself into looking good. The tone shift from his earlier posts to his "Accountant is locked scum" BS is artificial and meant to convince you to vote a certain way. Don't take my word for it, either - look for yourself.
Not to be a horrible jerk about it, but maybe. Like, I don't know you that well and plenty of players would write off a single bad game without worrying too much about it. Especially given your explicit "no regrets" comments made at the time.In post 1059, Accountant wrote:Yes, and I've changed my playstyle since then, as evidenced by Stop and Go mafia, which was after the game you cited. Clearly if I still thought it was optimal play, I wouldn't have played the way I did in Stop and Go.In post 1055, mhsmith0 wrote:Also the relevant point is you discussing your play style and what you consider optimal. That you quick votes there isn't as relevant as the fact that you explicitly talked about the fact that you thought that doing so was optimal play.Or do you think that I wouldn't reevaluate my playstyle after a game as disastrous as that?
Artificial tone shifts in an attempt to push an agenda(specifically getting Loop/Manuel to hammer me) are traditional universal scum tells. Wouldn't you agree?In post 1060, mhsmith0 wrote:Big walls and cockiness are traditional smith scum tells
Except that once loop and manny both didnt scum hammer you, you became mechancially locked scum. In that situation, it's entirely normal and natural to have a shift in tone and content from "I might be wrong" to "I am awesome, just caught scum, now need to wrangle a hammer". Wouldn't you agree?In post 1062, Accountant wrote:Artificial tone shifts in an attempt to push an agenda(specifically getting Loop/Manuel to hammer me) are traditional universal scum tells. Wouldn't you agree?In post 1060, mhsmith0 wrote:Big walls and cockiness are traditional smith scum tells
But you were more than happy to go "fuck it" and vote me on the spot. Does this make you scum? (Hint: it doesn't. Your behavior in LyLo makes you scum.)
More seriously though I think in LYLO it's usually best to really talk things out, ESPECIALLY in an environment where things went by probably too quickly d1/d2. I tend to be super conservative in MYLO/LYLO voting (at least in a game with hammer vote mechanics) because at that point a mistake can = game over.
That's incorrect. You were already sure I was scum before the lack of hammer, because you know that a Manuel-Tweet team was near impossible.In post 1063, mhsmith0 wrote:Except that once loop and manny both didnt scum hammer you, you became mechancially locked scum. In that situation, it's entirely normal and natural to have a shift in tone and content from "I might be wrong" to "I am awesome, just caught scum, now need to wrangle a hammer". Wouldn't you agree?
Near impossible and totally impossible not the same thing though. My confidence in being correct rose with each new piece of info, exactly as it should have.In post 1066, Accountant wrote:That's incorrect. You were already sure I was scum before the lack of hammer, because you know that a Manuel-Tweet team was near impossible.In post 1063, mhsmith0 wrote:Except that once loop and manny both didnt scum hammer you, you became mechancially locked scum. In that situation, it's entirely normal and natural to have a shift in tone and content from "I might be wrong" to "I am awesome, just caught scum, now need to wrangle a hammer". Wouldn't you agree?
^flagrantly a "it's my best guess but im nit super confident and I'm keeping an eye on thread, in case I'm wrong and scummtry to quick hammer" voteIn post 1006, mhsmith0 wrote:fuck it
VOTE: Accountant
i will definitely not be paying any attention to this thread for the next few hours
That's completely and utterly irrelevant. I read it - it meant nothing to me.In post 1067, mhsmith0 wrote:My comment right after you voted me in fact made it clear that I was keeping a close eye on proceedings, which town!you should have picked up on.
As explained before, it's the tone shift. Yes, there is a difference between nearly impossible and completely impossible. No, the difference is not great enough to go from zero to hundred. That is not natural; that's the artificially exaggerated tone shift of scum who's confident in their victory and wants to make the final push.In post 1067, mhsmith0 wrote:Now the million dollar question: what LYLO behavior of mine makes me scum? *grabs popcorn*
^In post 1071, Accountant wrote:That's completely and utterly irrelevant. I read it - it meant nothing to me.In post 1067, mhsmith0 wrote:My comment right after you voted me in fact made it clear that I was keeping a close eye on proceedings, which town!you should have picked up on.
You chose not to consider that the vote itself was part of a reasonable sorting process (best read but still uncertain) and chose to skip to "must be a scum plan". That's because you wanted to seize on my vote on you as pretext for my being scum, and not have to pretend to sort me and be concerned that you might be wrong about me.In post 1008, Accountant wrote:I'm ready to vote as well, given that a vote has already been cast on me. VOTE: mhsmith0
None of the reasons I had for voting Norska have been invalidated in any way with mshmith's replacement, and I can only assume this is a last ditch scum attempt to lynch the player that everyone else has suspected at some point.
