BigYoshiFan's Mini Normal Review

[BigYoshiFan]

Sounds good. I'll do that!
For each Mafia PM I removed this line: "You may converse privately with your mafia allies during the day as long as your encryptor is alive."

[mykonian]

I'm indifferent towards the Motion Detector.

I agree with this.

So keep it. You wanted it in your game, why would you remove it now? Someone might have fun with it, and it might help town a tiny bit in a claim situation.

Yeah, I think I should give the full role PM if the modified ascetic flips. I don't think I can just leave as "modified" and not explain how.

yup, you got this right.


As for pure numbers, you have 1 full pr's, 2 limited ones, 2 weak ones. Scum get 1 and a limited one. I wouldn't cut too far into the towns PR's, this is still not unfavourable to scum, they get quite a couple tools here and 10-3 is a very good starting point for scum anyway. If we put it out like this nobody is going to complain, but I suspect if you run it 100 times scum win it at least 60 times from how winrates have gone in the last couple of years. If you got bored of the motion detector by now, so if it needs to go, you could happily replace that with something more substantial.

[BigYoshiFan]

Okay then I'll put it back. Everyone good?

[BigYoshiFan]

We can negotiate on the motion detector if necessary, not sure how.
Give it a modifier? Give the mafia team a weak 1-shot role?

[mykonian]

wouldn't give the mafia more, I think.

[BigYoshiFan]

Ircher, are you cool if I leave it in? Would you prefer it'd be modified?

[Empking]

Yeah, I would not want scum made more powerful.

Can you post the Modified Ascetic PM that you'd post in thread please. (I don't want him to lynched when you're in a rush and making an avoidable mistake.)

[BigYoshiFan]

Spoiler:

Welcome _______ to Mini Normal ____!

You are a

Mafia Modified Ascetic

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You are allied with ________ (

Mafia 1-shot Roleblocker

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Mafia Encryptor

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Here is your private mafia thread:__________

Abilities:

You are immune to all Night Actions except kills, returning results as if the action was roleblocked. However, you lose this ascetic property on nights you perform kills.
You may converse privately with your mafia allies during the night.

Mafia Factional Kill:

Every night, you may submit your factional kill like so: [Player] kills [Player]

Maybe I should not say who their partners are either?

Win Condition:

You win when the

mafia

controls 50% of the town or if nothing can prevent this from happening.

Make sure you have read all the rules. Good luck and have fun!

Game thread: ___________

[BigYoshiFan]

Maybe I should not say who their partners are either?
I dunno how that got mixed up into that post. XD

[mhsmith0]

I've always found it easy enough to not mention partners at all in role PM's, and just post all the team role PM's (or just roles) in the scum chat opening post. That way there's a lot less work involved in redacting flips.

Or you could just do (for redacted role PM):

You are allied with

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[Ircher]

Ircher, are you cool if I leave it in? Would you prefer it'd be modified?

It's more its ability to be claimed that I am worried about than the power of the role itself.

Scum have to (unless I'm mistaken) get at least 4 mislynches in to win, and in most games, PR claims are rarely lynched.

Still, it's your setup, so your choice. (I do agree scum is strong enough though as-is).

[Ircher]

I've always found it easy enough to not mention partners at all in role PM's, and just post all the team role PM's (or just roles) in the scum chat opening post. That way there's a lot less work involved in redacting flips.

Or you could just do (for redacted role PM):

You are allied with

{REDACTED}

Alternately, I just do access lists and let scum (and masons if they exist) copy-paste role pms in their pts.

[Ircher]

But yeah, I rarely leave mafia partners actually in a role pm.

[mhsmith0]

Ircher, are you cool if I leave it in? Would you prefer it'd be modified?

It's more its ability to be claimed that I am worried about than the power of the role itself.

Scum have to (unless I'm mistaken) get at least 4 mislynches in to win, and in most games, PR claims are rarely lynched.

Still, it's your setup, so your choice. (I do agree scum is strong enough though as-is).

Surprisingly, PR claims have been getting lynched more often of late it seems.
Large Normal 197 was insanely townsided
http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=68819
but the first two days were town PR lynches, and scum STILL barely eked out a F3 win.

[BigYoshiFan]

Okay, I'm taking the partners out of every mafia role PM too.
I think I'm just gonna leave the motion detector in.

P-edit - HAHAHAHAH, that game.

[mhsmith0]

solid job winning that one. i mean, i didn't actually read it (and there was probably a lot of lolwillage going on), but winning 14v3 with a boatload of town PRs, including a number of useful ones, and very little scum power, is a very solid achievement.

[BigYoshiFan]

Thanks! I'm gonna have a big head for a while after that game.

[BigYoshiFan]

Final decision, leaving motion detector in. Should I repost everything?

[mhsmith0]

Sure.

[BigYoshiFan]

Landmark Mafia! Mini Normal ______

Setup:

Town Motion Detector
Town Non-Consecutive Watcher
Town Odd-Night Role Cop
Town 1-shot Rolestopper
Town Weak Vanilla Cop
Vanilla Townie
Vanilla Townie
Vanilla Townie
Vanilla Townie
Vanilla Townie

Mafia Modified Ascetic
Mafia 1-shot Roleblocker
Mafia Encryptor

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Role PM’s

Spoiler:

Welcome ______ to Mini Normal _____!

You are a

Town Motion Detector

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Abilities:

Each night, you may target a player and learn if they targeted anyone or if they were targeted by someone else, but not who was involved.

Win condition:

You win once all threats to the town have been eliminated and at least one townie is alive.

Make sure you have read all the rules. Good luck and have fun!

Game thread: ___________

Welcome ______ to Mini Normal _____!

You are a

Town Non-Consecutive Watcher

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Abilities:

Each night, you may choose to target a player and learn who, if anybody, targeted that player but not what action was performed. You may not use this ability two nights consecutively.

Win condition:

You win once all threats to the town have been eliminated and at least one townie is alive.

Make sure you have read all the rules. Good luck and have fun!

Game thread: ___________

Welcome _______ to Mini Normal ____!

You are a

Town Odd-Night Role Cop

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Abilities:

Each odd night (Nights 1, 3, 5, and so on) you may target a player and learn the role name of your target, but not their alignment.

Win Condition:

You win once all threats to the town have been eliminated and at least one townie is alive.

Make sure you have read all the rules. Good luck and have fun!

Game thread: ___________

Welcome _______ to Mini Normal ____!

You are a

Town 1-shot Rolestopper

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Abilities:

Each night, you may choose a player and stop all actions targeting that player. You may only use this ability once.

Win Condition:

You win once all threats to the town have been eliminated and at least one townie is alive.

Make sure you have read all the rules. Good luck and have fun!

Game thread: ___________

Welcome _______ to Mini Normal ____!

You are a

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Abilities:

Each night, you may choose a player and learn if the player is Vanilla or Not Vanilla. Vanilla Townies, Mafia Goons, and Serial Killers with no other powers are considered “Vanilla”. You will die if you target any anti-town aligned player.

Win Condition:

You win once all threats to the town have been eliminated and at least one townie is alive.

Make sure you have read all the rules. Good luck and have fun!

Game thread: ___________

Welcome ______ to Mini Normal ____!

You are a

Vanilla Townie

Abilities:

You have your vote and your voice, use them wisely.

Win Conditions:

You win once all threats to the town have been eliminated and at least one townie is alive.

Make sure you have read all the rules. Good luck and have fun!

Game thread: ___________

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Role PM’s

Spoiler:

Welcome _______ to Mini Normal ____!

You are a

Mafia Modified Ascetic

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Here is your private mafia thread:__________

Abilities:

You are immune to all Night Actions except kills, returning results as if the action was roleblocked. However, you lose this ascetic property on nights you perform kills.
You may converse privately with your mafia allies during the night.

Mafia Factional Kill:

Every night, you may submit your factional kill like so: [Player] kills [Player]

Win Condition:

You win when the

mafia

controls 50% of the town or if nothing can prevent this from happening.

Make sure you have read all the rules. Good luck and have fun!

Game thread: ___________

Welcome ______ to Mini Normal ____!

You are a

Mafia 1-shot Roleblocker

.

Here is your private mafia thread:________

Abilities:

Each night you may choose to block a player, stopping their role from working that night. You may only block once.
You may converse privately with your mafia allies during the night.

Mafia Factional Kill:

Every night, you may submit your factional kill like so: [Player] kills [Player]

Win Condition:

You win when the

mafia

controls 50% of the town or if nothing can prevent this from happening.

Make sure you have read all the rules. Good luck and have fun!

Game thread: ___________

Welcome _______ to Mini Normal ____!

You are a

Mafia Encryptor

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Here is your private mafia thread:_______

Abilities:

As long as you are alive, you allow your mafia faction to communicate during the day.
You may converse privately with your mafia allies during the night.

Mafia Factional Kill:

Every night, you may submit your factional kill like so: [Player] kills [Player]

Win Condition:

You win when the

mafia

controls 50% of the town or if nothing can prevent this from happening.

Make sure you have read all the rules. Good luck and have fun!

Game thread: ___________

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Vanilla Townie

Role PM Sample:

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Welcome ______ to Mini Normal ____!

You are a

Vanilla Townie

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You have your vote and your voice, use them wisely.

Win Conditions:

You win once all threats to the town have been eliminated and at least one townie is alive.

Make sure you have read all the rules. Good luck and have fun!

[mykonian]

yup, looks lovely. I'm looking forward to seeing how this will turn out!

[Empking]

Looking at it I think that the mix of Rolecop and Encryptor is regretful, and I would have rather scum just had plain daytalk.

However, I think the set up is acceptable, and I'm happy to pass it. The problem really is that players generally have a pro-scum perspective on balance.

[Nexus]

Can you let me know (all three of you) expicitly, that it's okay to go into signups?

[mhsmith0]

wrt rule 5
A No Lynch and Draw votes are acceptable. A No Lynch requires a majority vote; A Draw requires an agreement of all living players. Do not abuse the Draw vote.

Please remove draw votes as being acceptable. It's a nasty angleshooting way that a town that's getting its ass kicked can force scum to agree to a draw. If you want draw as an option, say that you'll only accept it if all living players privately PM you agreement.

I'm ok with this otherwise.

[BigYoshiFan]

I'll modify the rule so that draw votes are only acceptable via private message.
Rule 5 has been changed into this: Draw votes are acceptable. No Lynch requires majority vote, A Draw requires the agreement of all living players via PM and PM ONLY. Do not abuse the draw vote.