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[Sesq]

Titus, why are you doubling down so hard on your reads now and being even less open? Are you a Democrat?

[ssbm_Kyouko]

Do you see anything pointing to shannon + Gerry/Kohai slot? @Shad

[ssbm_Kyouko]

if Gerry flips scum I think LUV's shannon result clears her. Gerry being the object of suspicion second to rb on D1 makes me think that if Gerry is scum, his partner performed the N1 kill. LUV checked shannon and didn't see her go anywhere. Unless Gerry flips Roleblocker/Rolestopper, and targeted Transcend, and shannon is a ninja, I don't think gerry/shannon is very likely

[Raskolnikov]

Both of these are stupid

Kyouko's obvtown and gerryoats was literally rb counterwagon d1

any of drone shannon TTTT become impossible to get going but kyouko titus and gerryoat wagons spring up magically

[ssbm_Kyouko]

If I'm obvtown why did Gerry vote me?

[shadonra]

i didn't look for anything like that, i think shannon is scum and i think gerry is the most likely partner

[TTTT]

I'm going to sleep.
My vote is locked in.
Someone hammer plz.

[Titus]

Both of these are stupid

Kyouko's obvtown and gerryoats was literally rb counterwagon d1

any of drone shannon TTTT become impossible to get going but kyouko titus and gerryoat wagons spring up magically

I would vote Shad.

I am not hammering Gerry.

[shadonra]

Both of these are stupid

gerryoats was literally rb counterwagon d1

i dont see how this clears him for you, unless rb or shannon started the gerry counterwagon d1? i don't remember who was on that early

[Titus]

Titus, why are you doubling down so hard on your reads now and being even less open? Are you a Democrat?

I have 4 wagons. It's others who are not open.

I am most closely aligned with Democrats but I do not see the relevance.

[Sesq]

Titus, why are you doubling down so hard on your reads now and being even less open? Are you a Democrat?

I have 4 wagons. It's others who are not open.

I am most closely aligned with Democrats but I do not see the relevance.

Open-mindedness is not determined by number of wagons, it's determined by receptivity to other points of view, which you have not displayed.

My "Are you a democrat?" jab was a reference to the mainstream media's response to a recent political event.

[Raskolnikov]

If I'm obvtown why did Gerry vote me?

He's another EMer. Take the game seriously as scum but doesn't give a fuck and be useless as fuck town.

[ssbm_Kyouko]

TTTT started the Gerry wagon and says he did it to try to bait scum into getting onto the cw to rb. TTTT shifted to TRing Gerry the next day and onwards up until Gerry suddenly voted me just now. I couldn't make sense of his Gerry read but flipping it in favor of me makes sense to me because his read on Gerry should have been weaker than his read on me imo.

Players who voted Gerry d1 should be in my post casing Drone around the rb wagon.

Spoiler: rb wagon

VC 1.16

ironstove (3)

: Kohai, Sesq, TTTT

drealmerz7

(2)

:

Lil Uzi Vert

,

rb

rb

(2)

:

Transcend

,

drealmerz7

Transcend

(1)

: ironstove

ssbm_Kyouko (1)

:

iamafluffyrabbit

NOT VOTING (4)

: Impoetic, shannon,

Drone

,

ssbm_Kyouko

With 13 alive it takes 7 to lynch.

Deadline is in (expired on 2016-12-10 12:30:00)

Kohai has requested replacement.

VC 1.17

rb

(3)

:

Transcend, drealmerz7

, Sesq

ironstove (2)

: Kohai, TTTT

drealmerz7

(1)

:

Lil Uzi Vert

Sesq (1)

:

rb

Transcend

(1)

: ironstove

ssbm_Kyouko (1)

:

iamafluffyrabbit

NOT VOTING (4)

: Impoetic, shannon,

Drone

,

ssbm_Kyouko

With 13 alive it takes 7 to lynch.

Deadline is in (expired on 2016-12-10 12:30:00)

Kohai has requested replacement.

VC 1.18

rb

(4)

:

Transcend

,

drealmerz7

,

Drone

,

ssbm_Kyouko

ironstove (1)

: gerryoat

gerryoat (1)

: TTTT

drealmerz7

(1)

:

Lil Uzi Vert

Sesq (1)

:

rb

Transcend

(1)

: ironstove

ssbm_Kyouko (1)

:

iamafluffyrabbit

NOT VOTING (3)

: Impoetic, shannon, Sesq

With 13 alive it takes 7 to lynch.

Deadline is in (expired on 2016-12-10 12:30:00)

I ate 14 jam drops yesterday and now I have none. =(

iamafluffyrabbit is V/LA until the 2nd.

VC 1.19

rb

(5)

:

Transcend, drealmerz7

,

Drone

,

ssbm_Kyouko

,

Lil Uzi Vert

-- L-2!

ironstove (1)

: gerryoat

gerryoat (1)

: TTTT

Sesq (1)

:

rb

Transcend

(1)

: ironstove

ssbm_Kyouko (1)

:

iamafluffyrabbit

NOT VOTING (3)

: Impoetic, shannon, Sesq

With 13 alive it takes 7 to lynch.

Deadline is in (expired on 2016-12-10 12:30:00)

iamafluffyrabbit is V/LA until the 2nd.

VC 1.20

rb

(6)

:

Transcend, drealmerz7

,

Drone

,

ssbm_Kyouko

,

Lil Uzi Vert

, Sesq

-- L-1!

gerryoat (2)

: TTTT, ironstove

Drone (1)

: gerryoat

Sesq (1)

:

rb

ssbm_Kyouko (1)

:

iamafluffyrabbit

NOT VOTING (2)

: Impoetic, shannon

With 13 alive it takes 7 to lynch.

Deadline is in (expired on 2016-12-10 12:30:00)

iamafluffyrabbit is V/LA until the 2nd.

VC 1.22

rb

(5)

:

Transcend, drealmerz7

,

Drone

,

ssbm_Kyouko

, Sesq

-- L-2!

gerryoat (3)

: TTTT, ironstove,

iamafluffyrabbit

Transcend

(1)

: shannon

Drone (1)

: gerryoat

Sesq (1)

:

rb

NOT VOTING (2)

: Impoetic,

Lil Uzi Vert

With 13 alive it takes 7 to lynch.

Deadline is in (expired on 2016-12-10 12:30:00)

iamafluffyrabbit is V/LA until the 2nd.

VC 1.24

rb

(4)

:

Transcend, drealmerz7,

ssbm_Kyouko

, Sesq

gerryoat (3)

: TTTT, ironstove,

iamafluffyrabbit

drealmerz7

(1)

:

Drone

Transcend (1)

: shannon

Drone (1)

: gerryoat

Sesq (1)

:

rb

NOT VOTING (2)

: Impoetic,

Lil Uzi Vert

With 13 alive it takes 7 to lynch.

Deadline is in (expired on 2016-12-10 12:30:00)

iamafluffyrabbit is V/LA until the 2nd.

Impoetic is V/LA until the 4th.

VC 1.25

rb

(4)

:

Transcend, drealmerz7

,

ssbm_Kyouko

, Sesq

gerryoat (3)

: TTTT, ironstove,

iamafluffyrabbit

Transcend

(1)

: shannon

Drone (1)

: gerryoat

Sesq (1)

:

rb

NOT VOTING (3)

: Impoetic,

Lil Uzi Vert

,

Drone

With 13 alive it takes 7 to lynch.

Deadline is in (expired on 2016-12-10 12:30:00)

iamafluffyrabbit is V/LA until the 2nd.

Impoetic is V/LA until the 4th.

VC 1.26

rb (5)

:

Transcend, drealmerz7

,

ssbm_Kyouko

, Sesq, gerryoat

-- L-2!

gerryoat (3)

: TTTT, ironstove,

iamafluffyrabbit

Transcend

(1)

: shannon

Sesq (1)

:

rb

NOT VOTING (3)

: Impoetic,

Lil Uzi Vert

,

Drone

With 13 alive it takes 7 to lynch.

Deadline is in (expired on 2016-12-10 12:30:00)

iamafluffyrabbit has requested replacement.

Impoetic is V/LA until the 4th.

VC 1.28

rb

(5)

:

Transcend, drealmerz7

,

ssbm_Kyouko

, Sesq, gerryoat

-- L-2!

gerryoat (2)

: TTTT, ironstove

Transcend

(1)

: shannon

Sesq (1)

:

rb

NOT VOTING (4)

: Impoetic,

Lil Uzi Vert

,

Drone

,

Titus

With 13 alive it takes 7 to lynch.

Deadline is in (expired on 2016-12-10 12:30:00)

Impoetic is V/LA until the 4th.

VC 1.29

rb

(5)

:

Transcend, drealmerz7

,

ssbm_Kyouko

, Sesq, gerryoat

-- L-2!

gerryoat (2)

: TTTT, ironstove

TTTT (1)

:

Titus

Transcend

(1)

: shannon

Sesq (1)

:

rb

NOT VOTING (3)

: Impoetic,

Lil Uzi Vert

,

Drone

With 13 alive it takes 7 to lynch.

Deadline is in (expired on 2016-12-10 12:30:00)

Impoetic is V/LA until the 4th.

VC 1.30

rb

(5)

:

Transcend, drealmerz7

,

ssbm_Kyouko

, Sesq, gerryoat

-- L-2!

gerryoat (3)

: TTTT, ironstove,

Drone

TTTT (1)

:

Titus

Transcend

(1)

: shannon

Sesq (1)

:

rb

NOT VOTING (2)

: Impoetic,

Lil Uzi Vert

With 13 alive it takes 7 to lynch.

Deadline is in (expired on 2016-12-10 12:30:00)

Impoetic is V/LA until the 4th.

VC 1.32

rb

(6)

:

Transcend, drealmerz7

,

ssbm_Kyouko

, Sesq, gerryoat, ironstove

-- L-1!

gerryoat (2)

: TTTT,

Drone

TTTT (1)

:

Titus

Transcend

(1)

: shannon

Sesq (1)

:

rb

NOT VOTING (2)

: Impoetic, Lil Uzi Vert

With 13 alive it takes 7 to lynch.

Deadline is in (expired on 2016-12-10 12:30:00)

Someone please bring me coffee. I'll love you forever.

VC 1.33

rb

(6)

:

Transcend, drealmerz7

,

ssbm_Kyouko

, Sesq, gerryoat, ironstove

-- L-1!

gerryoat (2)

: TTTT,

Drone

Lil Uzi Vert

(1)

:

Titus

Transcend

(1)

: shannon

Sesq (1)

:

rb

NOT VOTING (2)

: Impoetic,

Lil Uzi Vert

With 13 alive it takes 7 to lynch.

Deadline is in (expired on 2016-12-10 12:30:00)

Does anyone still play Pokemon Sun and/or Moon?

VC 1.34 (FINAL)

rb

(7)

:

Transcend, drealmerz7

,

ssbm_Kyouko

, Sesq, gerryoat, ironstove, TTTT

-- LYNCH!

gerryoat (1)

:

Drone

Lil Uzi Vert

(1)

:

Titus

Transcend

(1)

: shannon

Sesq (1)

:

rb

NOT VOTING (2)

: Impoetic,

Lil Uzi Vert

With 13 alive it takes 7 to lynch.

Deadline is in (expired on 2016-12-10 12:30:00)

Flip incoming.

I've highlighted my and drone's votes in purple so people can compare them for Titus's "bus zone" theory. Also put Titus's votes in yellow to show what she was doing around the time of the rb wagon (iamafluffyrabbit=Titus)

So Titus is saying Drone and I are in the bus zone and has ignored (said she'd come back to it, never did) me previously pointing out that Drone abandoned the rb wagon when it was convenient and never came back. Titus, do you really think that if I were bussing that I would not have gotten off of the rb wagon when LUV and then Drone did? If I were scum bussing him I could have easily gotten off the wagon at that point; 3 unvotes in a row would have stalled his wagon while a counter was brought about. At that point, Gerry had 3 votes and rb had 4. I could have voted Gerry, the cw to rb (the way Drone did, btw), but I didn't. I stuck to rb with Transcend and d7.

Looks pretty believable to me Drone was bussing rb and got cold feet when he thought there was a chance the wagon would dissipate. He also voted d7 when he got off the rb wagon following LUV, and for those who don't remember, LUV's top scumreads were Impoetic and d7 on D1. It seems to me that Drone might have been trying to start a counterwagon that LUV, a town player who had shown a willingness to believe rb's claim, might have gone for. This wagon was also on a player who had been consistently voting rb since early D1.

If you don't wanna look at the VCs under the spoiler just know players voting Gerry included TTTT, ironstove(Raskolnikov), iamafluffyrabbit(Titus), and Drone. After Titus replaced in she moved her vote off of Gerry and onto TTTT, then Drone replaced her on the Gerry wagon. It never got bigger than 3 players.

[Titus]

Titus, why are you doubling down so hard on your reads now and being even less open? Are you a Democrat?

I have 4 wagons. It's others who are not open.

I am most closely aligned with Democrats but I do not see the relevance.

Open-mindedness is not determined by number of wagons, it's determined by receptivity to other points of view, which you have not displayed.

My "Are you a democrat?" jab was a reference to the mainstream media's response to a recent political event.

I am not known for my receptivity. If you are on my side, I go all out for you. That's the way I was raised. You murder your enemies, defend your friends, and find out who is who. If you murder my friends, I don't care for you.

That's me in a nut shell.

I will never vote ttt, Gerry, rask. Ever.

[Titus]

You want to change my mind, bring me new facts.

[gerryoat]

lmao wtf. you guys are bad. also tttt ur bad for scumreading me when you said i was ton

[gerryoat]

TTTT had the same reads as me, but suddenly decides im maf

[ssbm_Kyouko]

I will never vote ttt, Gerry, rask. Ever.

Can you explain the reason behind any of these? Rask seems town but ironstove sucked tbh. TTTT is still possibly a blindspot scum. Gerry hasn't done anything and his wagon didn't take off D1. If he were the counterwagon to scum rb, and that's your reason for not voting him, then why would you not vote TTTT, who was leading the counterwagon to scum? If he wasn't a counterwagon to scum, why won't you ever vote him? Where did he towntell to you so hard that you've locked him in as town, and how is he not still a potential blindspot to you? He pushed at you the morning of this day as well when you wouldn't reveal your target, and that's why you're SRing me.

[gerryoat]

it's obvious i'm town by how fast it flipped. i think 1 town is voting me rn since it flipped so fast

[Raskolnikov]

TTTT was saying gerryBFF up until roughly 10 minutes ago

[gerryoat]

if you think i'm mafia with RB, you're really shit at mafia and should quit

[ssbm_Kyouko]

you guys are bad

Hmm, haven't seen this before

Or have I?

P sure the only response Gerry has had all game to scumreads directed at him is to discredit by calling his accuser bad

pedit: You're at 4 votes and there are 2 scum left. How is it that only 1 town is voting you?

[ssbm_Kyouko]

TTTT was saying gerryBFF up until roughly 10 minutes ago

Up until Gerry scumclaimed by voting me

[Sesq]

if you think i'm mafia with RB, you're really shit at mafia and should quit

Best Play 2017

Do you have a defense or not? This is the point at which I'd hammer you, if I wasn't already voting you.

[Raskolnikov]

I've literally played(lost) games with gerryoat in similar fashion as this