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[JaeReed]

So, they kill town in exchange for being confirmed as town.

Unless they're Ranger ;p

[mhsmith0]

Well I'm now officially rooting for scum in this one. Grr...

[mhsmith0]

I'm going to sleep.
My vote is locked in.
Someone hammer plz.

I'm enjoying this
also I'm a horrible person

[mhsmith0]

maybe gerry will self hammer out of frustration. kinda doubt it tho.

[JaeReed]

Night actions:

Rask kills TTTT (success)
Rask rolecops shadonra (success: Vanilla)

[mastin2]

Yo, Jae, topic's still locked, in case you weren't aware.

[JaeReed]

Doesn't say it is? I'll relock and unlock again I guess.

[JaeReed]

Thanks <3

[mhsmith0]

see it's not about being evil, it's about teaching people lessons like why 99% of VCA is garbage and should only be done by trained professionals

I actually can't stand it. if I was town I'd be ranting so hard about the VCA logic (and people would probably scumread me for it LOL)

What vca were people even doing here?

VC 1.34 (FINAL)

rb (7)

: Transcend, drealmerz7, ssbm_Kyouko, Sesq, gerryoat, ironstove, TTTT

-- LYNCH!

gerryoat (1)

: Drone

Lil Uzi Vert (1)

: Titus

Transcend (1)

: shannon

Sesq (1)

: rb

NOT VOTING (2)

: Impoetic, Lil Uzi Vert

With 13 alive it takes 7 to lynch.

Deadline is in (expired on 2016-12-10 12:30:00)

Flip incoming.

scum lynched day 1, subsequently town has been a total mess. WHAT??? BUSSING??? NO WAY

VC 2.20 (FINAL)

Lil Uzi Vert (6)

: TTTT, gerryoat, drealmerz7, Titus, ssbm_Kyouko, Drone

-- LYNCH!

shannon (1)

: Raskolnikov

Drone (1)

: shannon

Titus (1)

: Lil Uzi Vert

NOT VOTING (2)

: Impoetic, Sesq

With 11 alive, it takes 6 to lynch.

Deadline is in (expired on 2016-12-22 01:30:00)

Flip incoming.

doing VCA on a wagon split like this is nearly useless. Generically you MIGHT suspect the off-wagon or non-voters more than the on wagon voters, but the only real question you need to ask was "was this lynch wagon villagery". Because if it felt villagery and righteous, you lynch off wagon, and if it was bullshit, you lynch on wagon. Some here may remember may scum chat discussion in newbie 1714 about how the vandit wagon was inevitably going to be villagery so I explicitly wanted to be ON that wagon as scum becuase it was righteous. I didn't read much this game, but that's how you evaluate this wagon. Just looking at it and drawing "VCA" conclusions without context is terrible (I dunno if anyone did this but it wouldn't surprise me)

VC 3.19 (FINAL)

gerryoat (5)

: TTTT, ssbm_Kyouko, shadonra, Sesq, shannon

-- LYNCH!

ssbm_Kyouko (3)

: Drone, Titus, gerryoat

-- L-2!

Drone (1)

: Raskolnikov

With 9 alive, it takes 5 to lynch.

Deadline is in (expired on 2017-01-03 16:47:00)

Flip incoming.

I, for one, am just SHOCKED that the single voter off of v/v wagons was a wolf

[JaeReed]

Some here may remember may scum chat discussion in newbie 1714 about how the vandit wagon was inevitably going to be villagery so I explicitly wanted to be ON that wagon as scum becuase it was righteous.

<3

[mhsmith0]

Of course I'm also salty because losing streak. My mood gets increasingly worse as losses pile up. I'm especially irritated since I'm now back under .500 overall (by two games!), AND my town W/L record is back to exactly .500.

[JaeReed]

I think my fave so far has been I think it was ssbm(?) saying Sesq is basically conftown for staying on the rb wagon and rb parking on them.

[JaeReed]

The LUV lynch is basically the vandit lynch all over again. He lied about his role > anti-town > people hyped it up but really it was just a policy lynch.

[mhsmith0]

I think my fave so far has been I think it was ssbm(?) saying Sesq is basically conftown for staying on the rb wagon and rb parking on them.

Yeah when it's closer to the opposite. Scum going down have a natural tendency to "suspect" a buddy (I've had a hard time avoiding it early in my career). That's not a hard tendency and you never want to over-value it, but the idea of TRing someone just because a scum whose vote didn't matter stayed on the slot is simply not good.

[JaeReed]

I think it was also ssbm_Kyouko who I noted was closeish on the scum JOAT theory and now they're pushing "strongman confirmed, no roleblocker" which is awkward.

[mhsmith0]

The LUV lynch is basically the vandit lynch all over again. He lied about his role > anti-town > people hyped it up but really it was just a policy lynch.

yeah and, not surprisingly, the people lining up pitchforks the hardest were town, while scum were setting up future pushes / staying out of the way. It's hard to replicate villagery fury at someone who really fucked up what they were up to as scum.

[JaeReed]

I think my fave so far has been I think it was ssbm(?) saying Sesq is basically conftown for staying on the rb wagon and rb parking on them.

Yeah when it's closer to the opposite. Scum going down have a natural tendency to "suspect" a buddy (I've had a hard time avoiding it early in my career). That's not a hard tendency and you never want to over-value it, but the idea of TRing someone just because a scum whose vote didn't matter stayed on the slot is simply not good.

I think it was more about the fact that Sesq never moved off rb. But it's pretty obvious that rb was going down and the claim wasn't believable in the slightest with his play, so it's a bit ehhh. Like, the claim was designed to draw out a counter, so in that context, Sesq staying on as mafia still makes sense. But they're not looking at the claim in that light for some reason, which they should do after he flipped scum.

[mhsmith0]

I think it was also ssbm_Kyouko who I noted was closeish on the scum JOAT theory and now they're pushing "strongman confirmed, no roleblocker" which is awkward.

ssbm, with unique knowledge that he's in fact town, really ought to be wondering what the hell rask was doing d3 on a drone wagon going nowhere at EOD. theoretically you could wonder about shannon and the hammer, but in that situation, with time running out and it being (from ssb's POV v/v wagons, scum!shannon has no particular incentive to force a hammer when someone else could do it, and either wagon would be town anyway)

[JaeReed]

I still really don't understand Titus assuming shadonra is ascetic here. Let alone ascetic mafia when town's investigative power is so weak.

[JaeReed]

http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... 5#p8689705

lol

[mhsmith0]

Would scum start a new wagon when there were 3 town wagoning onto a 4th town? I think not.

Yes. Scum could EASILY vote park on a "push" going nowhere. The question is if the wagon ever did anything. If not, congrats, it's >rand scum voter.

[mhsmith0]

It'd be funny if rask scum-hammered titus here and then murdered shad, just to get sesq to endgame. not sure that's optimal strategy but the idea certainly occurs.

[mhsmith0]

okay. shadonra voted drone.

now i need tomorrow, to hammer titus. make it look like im partner with drone or somethin

^same wavelength

[mhsmith0]

that's not how lylo usually works idk what else to say

[JaeReed]

N4 action Raskolnikov kills shannon xP