Mini Normal 1857 (Game Over - Mafia Wins!)

Drone · Post Post #2925 (ISO) » Wed Jan 04, 2017 9:16 pm

I'm not sure if I want this day to continue..
Even if Rask didn't post yet

shadonra · Post Post #2926 (ISO) » Wed Jan 04, 2017 9:21 pm

Don't hammer yet, please

ssbm_Kyouko · Post Post #2927 (ISO) » Wed Jan 04, 2017 9:22 pm

shoulda townclaimed by naked hammering

shadonra · Post Post #2928 (ISO) » Wed Jan 04, 2017 9:25 pm

you're actually right, i won't miss the chance next time

not this time tho

Drone · Post Post #2929 (ISO) » Wed Jan 04, 2017 9:26 pm

In post 2926, shadonra wrote:Don't hammer yet, please

Why?
Should be clear it either Titus or Kyouko.

Drone · Post Post #2930 (ISO) » Wed Jan 04, 2017 9:26 pm

I know it's scummy as fuck, but I really do want to avoid Titus bashing me.
Cause if she flips town ill feel so bad with myself. myself

shadonra · Post Post #2931 (ISO) » Wed Jan 04, 2017 9:28 pm

I cannot see a strong town motivation for Titus not using night ability, but SSBM points out a strong scum motivation

shadonra · Post Post #2932 (ISO) » Wed Jan 04, 2017 9:28 pm

Actually it's not a really strong scum motivation either, because it's JK not doctor

shadonra · Post Post #2933 (ISO) » Wed Jan 04, 2017 9:30 pm

TBH, I had townreads on both of these people, and I agree it's pretty impossible they're both town. I want to give Rask a chance to weigh in before we decide tho, I think I'm way worse at this than he is

ssbm_Kyouko · Post Post #2934 (ISO) » Wed Jan 04, 2017 9:32 pm

Drone

should

stay on Titus today regardless of his own alignment if the neighborhood is real

Town!Drone knows the final D2 wagon was 4 town + Titus and I on LUV
-Logical course of action with 2 lynches left is to lynch Titus and I in succession - one of us is bound to be scum
scum!Drone knows the final D2 wagon was 5 town and himself on LUV
-Logical course of action is to lynch townneighbor!Titus and I in succession because town neighbor flip makes him look better and me look worse, and we'll be the last 2 unconfirmed votes on LUV

This means if Drone unvotes Titus/Myself today they're both scum, because they're both scum if the neighborhood is *fake*. Since Drone is suggesting we lynch within Titus and myself today it means that Titus and Drone are not a team.

Titus, what do you think of this theory?

ssbm_Kyouko · Post Post #2935 (ISO) » Wed Jan 04, 2017 9:36 pm

The problem tomorrow will be finding her partner, but at least we won't mislynch Drone if she flips mafia neighbor

ssbm_Kyouko · Post Post #2936 (ISO) » Wed Jan 04, 2017 9:38 pm

In post 2932, shadonra wrote:Actually it's not a really strong scum motivation either, because it's JK not doctor

What does this mean? Doctor can't doc on someone and proclaim them to be scum. JK can claim that the person they jailed was so unlikely to be targeted for a kill that they must be scum

shadonra · Post Post #2937 (ISO) » Wed Jan 04, 2017 9:40 pm

Sorry, I thinko'd. I realized that JK can't claim guilty and blankly thought doc could for some inane reason

Titus · Post Post #2938 (ISO) » Wed Jan 04, 2017 9:49 pm

This is the same wagon that mislynch Gerry minus Drone. Stating the obvious before I go to bed.

ssbm_Kyouko · Post Post #2939 (ISO) » Wed Jan 04, 2017 9:50 pm

JK can claim guilty though. No kill occuring means either:
scum opted to no kill and not put the game into LyLo
the jailed target was also targeted for a NK
the jailed target attempted to NK someone else

If the jailed target is so unlikely to be targeted for a NK (myself, because Titus and I are the most obvious wagons and if we both make it to LyLo scum has a good chance of winning), then the jailed target is very likely to be scum. Titus and I can't both be allowed into LyLo because of this. Titus and Drone can also not be allowed into LyLo because if they're both town then the last town left alive will be one that is suspicious of their neighborhood claim.

Titus+Drone cannot be allowed into LyLo
Titus+Kyouko cannot be allowed into LyLo

Only logical lynch today is Titus. town!Titus means scum!Drone because I know I'm town. Will be down to Drone and I in LyLo if Titus is town

ssbm_Kyouko · Post Post #2940 (ISO) » Wed Jan 04, 2017 9:51 pm

Titus if you're town you should seriously consider which of Drone or I is scum before getting hammered for the benefit of the rest of the town

Titus · Post Post #2941 (ISO) » Wed Jan 04, 2017 9:56 pm

I have.

You most likely.
Shad 100% certainty.

If I get hammerred, especially with this composition, tiwn deserves to lose.

Shad is confirmed scum. My analysis and my results confirm it.

Barring nuclear fallout, this vote is not moving.

Good night.

Titus · Post Post #2942 (ISO) » Wed Jan 04, 2017 9:57 pm

Shad cannot live until lylo. Period.

ssbm_Kyouko · Post Post #2943 (ISO) » Wed Jan 04, 2017 10:10 pm

Wait why can't shad live until LyLo?

Think about this:
Nobody besides You and Drone know if the neighborhood is real. If you 2 make it to 5 way LyLo and you're both town, then there's no way that 3rd townie isn't going to be convinced to vote one or the other of you.
This is why Titus+Drone can't be allowed into LyLo.

Titus and I are so hellbent on SRing one another that if we're both town we will refuse to vote anyone besides each other, and scum will be able to lynch either of us
This is why Titus+Kyouko can't be allowed into LyLo.

Do you disagree with either of these statements? Do you think you would be able to resist voting me if shad flipped town today? Do you think I would resist voting you tomorrow considering how convinced I am you're lying about your claims? There's no way any of the 3 of us get NKed tonight if none of us get lynched. It would be a nightmare if we were all alive in LyLo and all town.

You have to die, so weigh the possibilities. I know you think shad is my partner. Who is Drone's partner, if he's scum? I know town!Titus is smart enough to come up with a good theory about his partner

ssbm_Kyouko · Post Post #2944 (ISO) » Wed Jan 04, 2017 10:11 pm

In post 2941, Titus wrote:Shad is confirmed scum. My analysis and my results confirm it.

Also you didn't get a result, remember?

Drone · Post Post #2945 (ISO) » Wed Jan 04, 2017 10:29 pm

That's what caused her to think so

shannon · Post Post #2946 (ISO) » Thu Jan 05, 2017 1:24 am

In post 2933, shadonra wrote:TBH, I had townreads on both of these people, and I agree it's pretty impossible they're both town. I want to give Rask a chance to weigh in before we decide tho, I think I'm way worse at this than he is

If the team is Rask and Sesq they deserve the win, frankly

shannon · Post Post #2947 (ISO) » Thu Jan 05, 2017 1:40 am

Let's go over this again, with Gerry's flip:

Transcend used the BP, but died anyway.

LUV followed me N1, and I went nowhere.

D7 died N2.

Speculation: A strongman performed the night kills. Gerry may or may not have been right with his Doctoring (probably was N1) but it didn't matter.

Claims:

Titus used gunsmith on Impoetic N2 and got 'no result'
Titus did not use jailkeep N3, ergo, she still has one jailkeep left

Questions:
Given the confirmed town power we have, which is more balanced?
- Scum goon, scum strongman, scum roleblocker; town JOAT, doctor, 2 shot follower, universal backup
- Scum goon, scum strongman, scum ascetic; town JOAT, doctor, 2 shot follower, universal backup
- Scum goon x 2, scum strongman; town JOAT, doctor, 2 shot follower
- Some other combo?

My guess is 3, but I don't have a whole lot of experience to go on.

Sesq · Post Post #2948 (ISO) » Thu Jan 05, 2017 4:10 am

In post 2892, Drone wrote:Alright.
Confirmed what I wanted.

Sesq.
What gunsmith thing are you talking about?
Do you know Titus' claim at all?

I'm sure I heard gunsmith somewhere. Might be part of something greater.

Drone · Post Post #2949 (ISO) » Thu Jan 05, 2017 4:53 am

It's a part of JOAT Titus taken once Transcend died.
She's a claimed and uncced Universal Backup.