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[Vaxkiller]

The scum team didnt try and bus thier compulsive buddy that game?

[Postie]

What?

[Klingoncelt]

The sun has returned and the day will continue!

Not sure how else to interpret this.

Lycanfire also made a claim:

... if you want to lynch me you can't actually get rid of me. ... you're stuck with me.

one thing you ought to consider is that there will probably be a night after this day period.

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[Gamma Emerald]

The scum team didnt try and bus thier compulsive buddy that game?

That's interesting.

[Klingoncelt]

@kuroi

If creature was scum, don't you think the wise move for the scum team would have been to bus him day 1 before there were 2 day cycles in a row?

I'm having trouble following this. Why should the Scums bus on Day1?

[Gamma Emerald]

For more kills obviously

[Postie]

an extra team member > an extra kill

[Klingoncelt]

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If creature was scum, don't you think the wise move for the scum team would have been to bus him day 1 before there were 2 day cycles in a row?

I'm having trouble following this. Why should the Scums bus on Day1?

For more kills obviously

That's not brilliant. It makes more sense for Scum to try and keep the team alive as long as possible.

[Postie]

Lycanfire also made a claim:

... if you want to lynch me you can't actually get rid of me. ... you're stuck with me.

one thing you ought to consider is that there will probably be a night after this day period.

...

What's this supposed to mean?

[Klingoncelt]

Lycanfire was claiming to have caused the Night 1 skip.

[Klingoncelt]

[quote="In post 285, Lycanfire"]Hello everyone.

I'm Kalista, a Requested Soulbinder Modified Conditional Flavor Cop Global Modified Cop Modified Reflexive Delayer

Double Dayer

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[Postie]

Sorry that was my role in my last RC game. I think I'm stuck in the past

It was a joke.

[drealmerz7]

I kinda want to see where zef vs dreal goes

me too...
zefiend, ever find a computer? really anxious to hear your case against The DEO...

I figure another day and then he gets my vote...

[Creeps20]

I think I will VOTE: Dreamerz

I don't like how he didn't immediately vote KTS when he scum read him. He also admitted he is OK with policy lynching. And I don't exactly like that.

That's why you ISO random people

I'm scum because I didn't vote my scum read as quickly as you wanted me to??

you mean when I was like 20 pages behind catching up and didn't just toss out a vote without knowing what the vote count was?

or, what DO you mean? can you please point out what exactly you're talking about so I can address it? thanks

where would you have liked my immediacy vote? pinpoint it, say "here is where he should have voted, but didn't, and it is scummy because ______" and then you fill in the blank

Your very first post. Which was

79

Posts into the game.
Not voting immediately because scum don't want to draw attention to themselves and so generally don't vote. I am pretty sure that the mod confirmed day chat (Or is that a different game?) And so it is possible you would converse with your scum buds before voting.

[ɀefiend]

A summary of the case vs DEO is as follows

: SS made a Day 1, Page 1 joke about policy-lynching "Titus" in response to a Titus-joke made by Kuroi. DEO interprets this as SS wanting to seriously policy-lynch the DEO slot. Despite repeated attempts by SS to explain that it was a joke, DEO runs with it for

over 20 pages

as a legitimate reason to lynch SS. DEO uses

personal

meta to substantiate her case, which by definition has no bearing on reading SS. DEO also dismisses Postie's townread of SS numerous times and attempts to counter every response Postie gives questioning the meta-reads. Despite Postie, Deimos, and Vedith all asserting that SS's comment was a joke/derpy and should be "let go," DEO does not. DEO also repeatedly defends drealmerz from SS's accusations: drealmerz was the second most vocal person about lynching SS. My contention here is that DEO ran with the PL thing too long and tried to force it home. I don't see a competent player like Titus doing that as Town. Furthermore, talking over Postie and attempting to disrupt SS's legitimate scumhunting efforts is scummy.

Now I will break it all down with evidence and examples. Keep in mind that I was absent all of Day 1, so I have a unique perspective on the matter.

Here is SS's "real" reason for voting DEO. I want to point out that the whole "fake reaction" thing

never

barely gets discussed because it is drowned out by DEO claiming that SS's actual reason is to PL.

More votes on DEO. Awful omgus on me to follow up with that fake reaction.

You could stand to elaborate yourself Moriarty. Looks like you pushed a policy lynch on me rather than hunting and are now trying to invent bullshit to hide that. So please educate the class yourself.

Wtf you on about? Your reaction to him claiming to be hated was fake as fuck. No way town reacts like that.

Yeah, I am asking you about the policy lynch comment. Stop changing the topic to something wrong that the thread clearly disagrees with you on because it's wrong.

Here I want to point out that (1) the "invented bullshit" came before the PL-joke and (2) it's actually DEO "changing the topic" to force the issue of the PL-joke,

You need to google ''sarcasm''

Nah, I wanted to PL Titus because she rolls scum a lot. Which was a joke. People here don't have a sense of humour.

Here is SS having to explain the joke. To an outside observer reading the thread, it was obvious that SS's comment was a joke in response to Kuroi's joke. At this point is where I assume a Townie would simply drop the matter, but...

Nah, I wanted to PL Titus because she rolls scum a lot. Which was a joke. People here don't have a sense of humour.

Yeah, the last guys who claimed joke were scum too. Why wait until you were wagoned to claim joke?

DEO invokes self-meta here, which is disingenuous to use versus SS, because SS is not "the last guys."

Examples of DEO trying to repeatedly insinuate that SS's reasoning was merely a PL, despite multiple clarifications that that comment was not serious:
[quote="In post 120...
Why did you wait to claim the policy lynch was a joke on me until you were wagoned?[/quote]

It was a joke on Titus not you.

i'm not suggesting a policy lynch. This is an RVS vote. This comment actually pings me.

IT'S SARCASM

...
You're scum because you tried to policy lynch me and claim sarcasm afterward but only did so after you were wagoned.
Then you just beg for someone else to lynch instead of yourself and aren't hunting.
...

Still don't understand the SS wagon. It's like everyone is voting him for this:

Titus has been scum in a lot of games I've played with her. Not a bad PL

Which seems like obvious RVS talk.

I've explained it already.
I have no idea how town reacts to a hated claim like- "can we make you unhated?"
It's like role fishing + awkward scum who doesn't know how to react.

Oh but selling a "policy lynch" on me after that point was a joke right?
Nah, you meant it. Then you got caught in a meta tell. Rather than asking me to prove it, you cried joke.

I can grow an extra person, so him being unhateable isn't ridiculous. It's also not a rolefish in the binary.

Here DEO is continuing to push that SS's "hated reaction" and PL reasons are analogous, despite the fact that SS wanted to (jokingly) PL "Titus." I also want to point out that DEO again cites self-meta, which cannot be disproven by SS -- rendering the "ask me to prove it" point a catch-22.

I'm not going into the details of DEO's meta case because the whole idea of using self-meta to prove that an unrelated player is scum is preposterous. But here is DEO repeatedly shutting down Postie's attempts to look past the whole joke:

Postie, you have an AtE weakness.

No, I don't. I can just tell the difference between scum frustration and town frustration. This is town frustration.

It isn't Postie. Check Suikoden Mafia. Blackest Magic reacted in the same way. Klingon was in that game btw.

For the record, I read what shadow wrote as an obvious joke. Let it go plsty.

Here's Davsto. You can read the ISO after that point too.
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Still don't see it. I mean, I see the thing about the joke, but I don't think it's fair to say that complaining about being scumread for a joke is alignment indicative because one person has done it before as scum.

Still don't see it. I mean, I see the thing about the joke, but I don't think it's fair to say that complaining about being scumread for a joke is alignment indicative because one person has done it before as scum.

This particular "joke" when done by three separate people onto me has been scum 3 times and town zero. The behavior and tone matches here.

Self-fulfilling

prophecy

fallacy.

This particular "joke" when done by three separate people onto me has been scum 3 times and town zero. The behavior and tone matches here.

Eh? Quote/link me the other posts where it happened? And I disagree with behaviour and tone match; there's a subtle difference in that shadow's posts feel "protest-y" whereas Davsto went the more conventional passive-aggressive scum route.

Those people might have a reason to PL you. Mine was a joke. I've already explained why I didn't point out earlier because I cannot type sleep in my sleep ffs.
Just stahp

Postie, my point is ONLY scum RVS me with that "joke" and get hyper defensive about it. Only once has that comment been made by town on me, and he's a trollster. The three I quoted were trying to fit me for a noose at the time of their "jokes". At the time of Blackest Magic, he started chainsawing for LQ who was his buddy. Mastina was pushing me to throw me off. Davsto was just obvious scum freaking out, like here.

I didn't even know you were Titus or Deo was Titus so your point is invalid.
Your logic is also fallacious. I'm not Mastin or whoever else the fuck they were.

Again, their tone and behaviour is different on multiple levels.

Lynch Shadow. He scum claimed hard when he tried to policy lynch me.

Can you even point to anything that suggests he was being serious? Because if not then why would we do this.

He only claimed joke after being wagoned. It is clear he wanted me to be lynched and was hoping to let his vote sit.

And thanks for the scum slip of we. You and SS would do this because the longer I am in the game the more likely I wreck your scumteam with VCA. I have to go do lawyer things now.

It was actually not so "clear," especially since multiple other players disputed DEO's opinion that SS was serious, and that SS had moved on to voting Gamma and later drealmerz.

I also want to inject an interesting comment made by DEO (slightly unrelated):

Piled on is the wrong choice of words. They are using us being fractured to pile on/assist any town wagon and not bus.

DEO implies that the "piling on" players to Postie's (alleged) scumslip wagon are avoiding bussing SS. But DEO doesn't explicitly call out anyone [Creature, creeps, RM, maybe one more person (can't remember)] for doing this. Instead DEO continued to push the "SS lied about knowing Titus=DEO" case.

This is only the

Day 1

case I have against DEO. For all intents and purposes, the SS lynch

was

"strong-armed."

[Gamma Emerald]

So just the use os PL as a reason?
I felt it was a strong case, and SS's rage kinda felt like scum caught for the wrong reason.

[Creature]

VOTE: Creeps20

[Creature]

I'm getting kinda tired of this game.

[Creature]

I doubt scum will kill someone as demotivated as me, at least I may survive when there are less players left and my concentration is better.

[ɀefiend]

So just the use os PL as a reason?
I felt it was a strong case, and SS's rage kinda felt like scum caught for the wrong reason.

What?

DEO's reason was that SS's reason was a PL. It was not. It was clarified as a joke, interpreted as a joke by multiple people; the self-meta was questioned -- and still DEO carried on for over 20 pages.

A TvT situation would have been like:
"PL lynch Titus! She's always scum!"
"Are you seriously suggesting that?"
"No, it was a joke!"
<game continues>

Instead DEO took control of the game.

[Postie]

The way Titus kept ignoring legitimate concerns that were brought up about PLgate rubbed me the wrong way, but I'm not discounting the possibility that Titus was just confbiasing so hard that she didn't feel the need to consider those things.

I don't see a competent player like Titus doing that as Town.

How many games have you had with Titus? I've seen her pull some major moonlogic as both alignments.

[Gamma Emerald]

So just the use os PL as a reason?
I felt it was a strong case, and SS's rage kinda felt like scum caught for the wrong reason.

What?

DEO's reason was that SS's reason was a PL. It was not. It was clarified as a joke, interpreted as a joke by multiple people; the self-meta was questioned -- and still DEO carried on for over 20 pages.

A TvT situation would have been like:
"PL lynch Titus! She's always scum!"
"Are you seriously suggesting that?"
"No, it was a joke!"
<game continues>

Instead DEO took control of the game.

Let's note this is Titus and MathBlade we're talking about here. I KNOW Math is a tunneler as town, and Titus likely believed the PL thing was valid. I've seen people use tells like "people who suggest PLs are scum" as town as major case builders.
btw both point I make here are based in the same game.

[Postie]

btw both point I make here are based in the same game.

Link it?

[RadiantCowbells]

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