In Memory

[The DEO]

Zefiend why aren't you concerned with JaeReed's claim that drealmerz shot Lycanfire?

~~Math

[The DEO]

Okay, I'm gonna reread Deimos.

I realise being voteless means I have nothing to bargain with, but if I support a Vax lynch I want Titus/Math to promise not to pass important info to me through Gamma because fuck that.

Titus doesn't support a Vax lynch.

~~Math

No my point was that I was offering to support a Vax lynch over Gamma. I don't care what you think of Vax but if you're going to potentially lose us the game by handing Gamma important info then I want Gamma dead immediately.

Ummm Gamma is our conduit to get information to you without announcing it to scum. He'll be dead soon enough in most scenarios.

~Titus

[The DEO]

I feel really good about Gamma, Postie, Vax, and Creature ftr.

[The DEO]

Titus please check our PT. Got a question for you in there sis.

~~Math

[The DEO]

Yeah but zefiend's rant the kind of thing I can see scum walking in and saying because the content of those posts actually does nothing to move the game forward and is just pointless drivel, but there's ranty emotions behind it, and it therefore comes across to me as just being designed to show off the emotional aspect of the post to give the illusion that zefiend is invested in the game.

I don't appreciate this post, at all.

I invested a LOT of time into casing DEO and it stirred up a great deal of discussion. Unfortunately, most of that discussion devolved into metagaming, which in case you didn't already know, I am not a fan of.

I still find the D1 push to be scum-motivated. The lack of much Titus in this thread recently doesn't help, either. Since that topic went by the wayside, I don't find there to be much redeeming conversation at the moment. I DO appreciate you trying though, to engage Kuroi.

The way drealmerz(I think) described the game as "floating in space" or whatever is how I feel too. I really,

really

hate leaving a Ranger-esque reads list, but if anyone wants to talk about them or do the same, it might help.

Postie, drealmersz7, Creature -- town
JaeReed -- townlean
Klingoncelt, Vaxkiller, Mhsmith0 -- neutral
Creeps20, KuroiXHF -- no clue
Gamma Emerald -- scumlean
The DEO -- scum

Time is not alignment indicative and neither is effort.

~~Math

It is what you do with the time you have.

Still waiting on that answer JaeReed.

[drealmerz7]

Where did Drealmerz say they shot Lycanfire?

this is why it is good to read the game

[The DEO]

Supergirl is awesome.

Go Sanvers!!

Maggie Sawyer for life <3

~~Math

[ɀefiend]

ok

I killed lycan with my vig shot

I have never had a vig shot before and wasn't sure about outing it, especially since I was wrong with it

[drealmerz7]

let's make more posts repeating things that have been said

100 pages here we come!!!

[Postie]

I don't appreciate this post, at all.

I invested a LOT of time into casing DEO and it stirred up a great deal of discussion. Unfortunately, most of that discussion devolved into metagaming, which in case you didn't already know, I am not a fan of.

I still find the D1 push to be scum-motivated. The lack of much Titus in this thread recently doesn't help, either. Since that topic went by the wayside, I don't find there to be much redeeming conversation at the moment. I DO appreciate you trying though, to engage Kuroi.

That helps me understand your PoV a bit more I think. I ignored your case on DEO because I believe they're town. The way Math talked about being demotivated because they were creeped out by what they thought Lycan did reads genuine to me and makes me believe they believed their reasoning; I think doing that as scum would be horribly unfair to Lycan and Math doesn't strike me as the kind of person to try and pull a move like that.

[The DEO]

Where did Drealmerz say they shot Lycanfire?

this is why it is good to read the game

Will try again searched for vig came up no results

~~Math

[drealmerz7]

perhaps I should have said I drowned them... for accuracy

[drealmerz7]

but really

I didn't even drown him

he just drown

[drealmerz7]

drowned

downed

drowneddowned

[drealmerz7]

drown

[Postie]

Please stop claiming stuff, dreal.

[The DEO]

ok I killed lycan with my vig shot

I have never had a vig shot before and wasn't sure about outing it, especially since I was wrong with it

Never mind the search function here sucks.

~~Math

[drealmerz7]

does it make a difference at this point the method of deading?

I'm all about not claiming shit, but, I don't think it matters if I give how I did it? does it?

if so I totally should stfu I guess

[drealmerz7]

what can I say

it was a thrill

SO DROWN ME

[JaeReed]

Spoiler: D1 VCs

Votecount 1.02:

The DEO (2):

Shadow_Step

, KuroiXHF
ɀefiend (2): Gamma Emerald
Gamma Emerald (1): Clemency
Clemency (1): The DEO

Not Voting: Postie, drealmerz7, RachMarie, Creature, Vedith, ɀefiend, Klingoncelt, Deimos27,

LycanFire

, Creeps20

With 15 alive it takes 8 votes to lynch.

Votecount 1.03:

The DEO (2):

Shadow_Step

, KuroiXHF
ɀefiend (2): Gamma Emerald
Gamma Emerald (1): Clemency

Shadow_Step

(1): The DEO

Not Voting: Postie, drealmerz7, RachMarie, Creature, Vedith, ɀefiend, Klingoncelt, Deimos27,

LycanFire

, Creeps20

Votecount 1.04:

The DEO (2):

Shadow_Step

, KuroiXHF
Clemency (2): Gamma Emerald
Gamma Emerald (1): Clemency

Shadow_Step

(1): The DEO
Creature (1): RachMarie

Not Voting: Postie, drealmerz7,, Creature, Vedith, ɀefiend, Klingoncelt, Deimos27,

LycanFire

, Creeps20

Votecount 1.06:

Shadow_Step

(6): The DEO, Creature, Creeps20, drealmerz7, Gamma Emerald
Gamma Emerald (2): Clemency,

Shadow_Step

The DEO (1): KuroiXHF
Creature (1): RachMarie

Not Voting: Postie, Vedith, ɀefiend, Klingoncelt, Deimos27,

LycanFire

Votecount 1.07:

Shadow_Step

(6): The DEO, Creature, Creeps20, drealmerz7, Gamma Emerald
Gamma Emerald (2): Clemency,

Shadow_Step

The DEO (1): KuroiXHF
Creature (1): RachMarie

Not Voting: Postie, Vedith, ɀefiend, Klingoncelt, Deimos27,

LycanFire

Votecount 1.08:

Shadow_Step

(5): The DEO, Creature, Creeps20, drealmerz7, Klingoncelt
Gamma Emerald (2): Clemency,

Shadow_Step

, Deimos27
Postie (2): Gamma Emerald
The DEO (1): KuroiXHF
Creature (1): RachMarie

Not Voting: Postie, Vedith, ɀefiend,

LycanFire

Votecount 1.09:

Shadow_Step

(5): The DEO, Creature, Creeps20, drealmerz7, Klingoncelt
Gamma Emerald (3): Clemency,

Shadow_Step

, Deimos27
Postie (2): Gamma Emerald
The DEO (1): KuroiXHF
Creature (1): RachMarie

Not Voting: Postie, Vedith, ɀefiend,

LycanFire

Votecount 1.10:

Shadow_Step

(5): The DEO, Creature, Creeps20, drealmerz7, Klingoncelt
Gamma Emerald (2): Clemency, Deimos27
drealmersz7 (2): Vedith,

Shadow_Step

Postie (2): Gamma Emerald
The DEO (1): KuroiXHF
Creature (1): RachMarie

Not Voting: Postie, ɀefiend,

LycanFire

Votecount 1.11:

Shadow_Step

(5): The DEO, Creature, Creeps20, drealmerz7, Klingoncelt
Postie (3): Gamma Emerald, RachMarie
Gamma Emerald (2): Clemency, Deimos27
drealmersz7 (2): Vedith,

Shadow_Step

Not Voting: Postie, ɀefiend,

LycanFire

, KuroiXHF

Votecount 1.15:

Shadow_Step

(4): The DEO, Creature, Creeps20, drealmerz7
RachMarie (3): KuroiXHF, Gamma Emerald
Gamma Emerald (2): Clemency, Deimos27
drealmersz7 (2): Vedith,

Shadow_Step

Postie (1): RachMarie
Vedith (1):

LycanFire

Not Voting: Postie, ɀefiend, Klingoncelt

Votecount 1.18:

RachMarie (3): KuroiXHF, Gamma Emerald
Postie (3): RachMarie, Creature, Creeps20

Shadow_Step

(2): The DEO, drealmerz7
Gamma Emerald (2): Clemency, Deimos27
drealmersz7 (2): Vedith,

Shadow_Step

Vedith (1):

LycanFire

Not Voting: Postie, ɀefiend, Klingoncelt

Votecount 1.19:

RachMarie (4): KuroiXHF, Gamma Emerald, The DEO
Postie (3): RachMarie, Creature, Creeps20
Gamma Emerald (2): Clemency, Deimos27
drealmersz7 (2): Vedith,

Shadow_Step

Vedith (1):

LycanFire

Shadow_Step

(1): drealmerz7

Not Voting: Postie, ɀefiend, Klingoncelt

Votecount 1.20:

Creature (3): KuroiXHF, Gamma Emerald
Postie (3): RachMarie, Creature, Creeps20
Gamma Emerald (2): Clemency, Deimos27
drealmersz7 (2): Vedith,

Shadow_Step

Vedith (1):

LycanFire

Shadow_Step

(1): drealmerz7
RachMarie (1): The DEO

Not Voting: Postie, ɀefiend, Klingoncelt

Votecount 1.21:

Creature (3): KuroiXHF, Gamma Emerald
Postie (3): RachMarie, Creature, Creeps20
Gamma Emerald (2): Clemency, Deimos27
drealmersz7 (2): Vedith,

Shadow_Step

Vedith (1):

LycanFire

Shadow_Step

(1): drealmerz7
RachMarie (1): The DEO

Not Voting: Postie, ɀefiend, Klingoncelt

Votecount 1.23:

Creature (3): KuroiXHF, Gamma Emerald
Postie (2): RachMarie, Creature
Gamma Emerald (2): Clemency, Deimos27
drealmersz7 (2):

Shadow_Step

, Vedith

Shadow_Step

(2): drealmerz7, Creeps20
Vedith (1):

LycanFire

RachMarie (1): The DEO

Not Voting: Postie, ɀefiend, Klingoncelt

Votecount 1.25:

Creature (3): KuroiXHF, Gamma Emerald

Shadow_Step

(3): drealmerz7, Creeps20, The DEO
Postie (2): RachMarie, Creature
Gamma Emerald (2): Clemency, Deimos27
drealmersz7 (2):

Shadow_Step

, Vedith
Vedith (1):

LycanFire

Not Voting: Postie, ɀefiend, Klingoncelt

Votecount 1.27:

Shadow_Step

(7): drealmerz7, Creeps20, The DEO, Gamma Emerald, Creature, Klingoncelt
Gamma Emerald (2): Clemency, Deimos27
drealmersz7 (2):

Shadow_Step

, Vedith
Postie (1): RachMarie
Creature (1): KuroiXHF
Vedith (1):

LycanFire

Not Voting: Postie, ɀefiend

Votecount 1.28:

KillTheStory

(7): drealmerz7, Creeps20, The DEO, Gamma Emerald, Creature, Klingoncelt
Gamma Emerald (2): Clemency, Deimos27
drealmersz7 (2):

KillTheStory

, Vedith
Postie (1): RachMarie
Creature (1): KuroiXHF
Vedith (1):

LycanFire

Not Voting: Postie, ɀefiend

Votecount 1.30:

KillTheStory

(4): drealmerz7, Creeps20, The DEO, Creature
Gamma Emerald (2): Clemency, Deimos27
drealmersz7 (2):

KillTheStory

, Vedith
Postie (1): RachMarie
Creature (1): KuroiXHF
Vedith (1):

LycanFire

Not Voting: Postie, ɀefiend, Gamma Emerald, Klingoncelt

Votecount 1.32:

KillTheStory

(4): drealmerz7, Creeps20, The DEO, RachMarie
Gamma Emerald (2): Clemency, Deimos27
drealmersz7 (1): Vedith
Creature (1): KuroiXHF
Vedith (1):

LycanFire

KuroiXHF (1):

KillTheStory

Not Voting: Postie, ɀefiend, Gamma Emerald, Klingoncelt, Creature

Votecount 1.33:

KillTheStory

(5): drealmerz7, Creeps20, The DEO, RachMarie, Creature
Gamma Emerald (2): Clemency, Deimos27
drealmersz7 (1): Vedith
Creature (1): KuroiXHF
Vedith (1):

LycanFire

KuroiXHF (1):

KillTheStory

Not Voting: Postie, ɀefiend, Gamma Emerald, Klingoncelt

Votecount 1.35:

KillTheStory

(6): drealmerz7, Creeps20, The DEO, RachMarie, Creature, Klingoncelt
Vedith (3):

LycanFire

, Gamma Emerald
Gamma Emerald (2): Clemency, Deimos27
drealmersz7 (1): Vedith
Creature (1): KuroiXHF
KuroiXHF (1):

KillTheStory

Not Voting: Postie, ɀefiend

Votecount 1.36:

KillTheStory

(9): drealmerz7, The DEO, RachMarie, Creature, Klingoncelt,

LycanFire

, Creeps20, Gamma Emerald
Gamma Emerald (2): Clemency, Deimos27
drealmersz7 (1): Vedith
Creature (1): KuroiXHF
KuroiXHF (1):

KillTheStory

Not Voting: Postie, ɀefiend

Votecount 1.37:

KillTheStory

(9): drealmerz7, The DEO, RachMarie, Creature, Klingoncelt,

LycanFire

, Creeps20, Gamma Emerald
Gamma Emerald (2): Clemency, Deimos27
drealmersz7 (1): Vedith
Creature (1): KuroiXHF
KuroiXHF (1):

KillTheStory

Not Voting: Postie, ɀefiend

So on D1 both Kuroi and Vedith stay off KTS and I don't think they joined a proper counterwagon.
Clemency's vote doesn't move from RVS, and Deimos voted on Gamma at a time that made him a counterwagon to Shadow_Step early I think? Then also ends up voteparked (went on vacation though).
Then we have Lycanfire for the most part voteparking on Vedith, which I thought was interesting given the kill, but now less so given it's claimed to be a vig shot.

Gamma's vote makes reading the VC movements kinda hard because it skews the balance. :/ Especially so given I don't think I'm particularly good at this in any case. Anyways...

So we have Postie and RachMarie as competing wagons for a bit when the Shadow_Step wagon died out. Postie got voted up after RachMarie hit the 2nd highest wagon mark in competition with Shadow_Step. Unfortunately without knowing what RM's alignment was there's not much to be drawn from that I think? If RM!scum it would point to Postie!town but I don't believe it necessarily works in the reverse (as in RM!town making Postie!scum) as from what I remember of it, the wagon on RM was pretty well justified whereas the wagon on Postie wasn't, and was in fact based off a rubbish "scumslip" push.
Becomes Creature and Postie for a bit but mainly because of Gamma voting Creature.
Creeps moves back to Shadow_Step, DEO follows, then the wagon is active again.
KTS wagon dies down a bit when he replaces in, he votes Kuroi and wagon starts trickling back. I'd kind of expect it to happen a lot faster if Kuroi were scum here and KTS correctly fingered him?
Vedith hits 3 votes from Gamma's influence and Lycanfire moves over to KTS.

So my thoughts on D1: Vedith was staying off the wagons too much. I don't like it, and I think he's a good candidate for scum based on that also.
Kuroi did the same but again, I'd kind of expect the KTS wagon to have exploded if he was correctly fingering Kuroi there, rather than a gradual incline. I need to double check the actual votes and reasonings for them individually to see if everything holds up to my thoughts of this (macro to micro blah blah blah).
Creature and Creeps have awful records with regards to voting and reasonings for doing so as far as the S_S and Postie wagons but I'm not entirely sure that's AI for them, either.

Also, on D2 Vedith voteparks Lycanfire. That's a thing that happened.

[Postie]

does it make a difference at this point the method of deading?

I'm all about not claiming shit, but, I don't think it matters if I give how I did it? does it?

if so I totally should stfu I guess

I don't know if it helps scum but if there's a chance it does you should probably not do that.

[JaeReed]

Now watch both heads of DEO and smith tell me I suck and to leave it up to the experts

[The DEO]

Drealmerz highly improbably group scum. (Would require him claiming the scum kill as a vig shot).

That suggests scum hit a naturally protected target, which is also less likely.

Drealmerz, the number of deaths matters more than the manner.

[The DEO]

Now watch both heads of DEO and smith tell me I suck and to leave it up to the experts

[drealmerz7]

if it helps,

the drown flavor is all me - sure, it's based on my character, but, that doesn't tell scum shit I don't think

I do flavor in my NA submissions sometimes

it'd be cool if RC used it / sent it to lycan in some capacity, but I have no idea