In Memory

[Vaxkiller]

DEO, you think lycan was vigged and NK'd?

I do. I find it is the most plausible explanation for no scumkill. Except I don't think scum would shoot there.

To me the simplest explanation is Drealmerz is lying.

~~Math

I really have a hard time following this - I can't see what you're thinking

you say "no scumkill" but then, by your logic, isn't lycan the scumkill and I'm lying about my vig timing?

what is my lie? ugh this is realllly frusrtating

MB, check yourself if you're town, I think you just get lost on crazy theories to explain things

to me this just feels like scum pushing an agenda hardcore though

I am saying
Scum submit you to do kill on player X.
You vig Lycanfire for cred.
Lycanfire having you as a top scumread redirects all your actions to him. Since you claimed killing role and based on thread meta he was likely being mislynched.

Therefore the scum kill and vig kill went to Lycanfire and Drealmerz is a scum vig.

If lycan had dreal as a top scum read, wouldn't he want to redirect dreal onto himself?

[drealmerz7]

take me step by step through what lycan would have had to do with his redirect, please

[Vaxkiller]

EBWOP, redirect dreal onto dreal

[Frozen Angel]

even a treestump function would stop with double kill

Your making no sense

Yes it would. That is my point.

Double kill would in essence neuter delayed death.

However I really want RC to speak on this.

~~Math

No it wouldn't!

Where do you see a treestump like that?

lol

[The DEO]

okay, shit, there's a fucking start to me understanding what the fuck you're saying

you're saying I performed 2 NKs - because I'm a scum vig.? I scum-vigged lycan (during the Day is your thought?) and then killed someone else at Night, was redirected by lycan onto himself? *phew* is that right? (no sarcasm / attitude here, I just am checking it)

During day or night you vig Lycan.
During night scum have you submit NK since already killing.

Gets redirected to Lycanfire.

Further idea for this is where Lycanfire says "What if I am the vig?"

~~Math

Pedit Dreal onto Dreal if Dreal is town is devastating.

I think Dreal onto Lycanfire makes the most sense.

[Frozen Angel]

http://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?title=Tree_Stump

this is treestump

where did it says with 2 kills it will be nuetralized? thats a total new mehcanic to me

[The DEO]

even a treestump function would stop with double kill

Your making no sense

Yes it would. That is my point.

Double kill would in essence neuter delayed death.

However I really want RC to speak on this.

~~Math

No it wouldn't!

Where do you see a treestump like that?

lol

Again I disagree and I want to wait on RC.

One shot >> Converts treestump still alive >> Second shot kills so removes treestump.

~~Math

[Frozen Angel]

OMFG

whats wrong with you

Where did you saw a treestump like that before?

Link please

[The DEO]

http://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?title=Tree_Stump

this is treestump

where did it says with 2 kills it will be nuetralized? thats a total new mehcanic to me

So MS does tree stump weird.

No living players.

Wtf?

Then how is Lycanfire dead?

~~Math

[The DEO]

OMFG

whats wrong with you

Where did you saw a treestump like that before?

Link please

Can't link. F2F :/

~~Math

[Frozen Angel]

MathBlade

Lycan is dead because something killed him earlier or something disabled his ability

he is not a treestump he had a delayed death

OK?

where has treestumps like that? you can say its name

[The DEO]

I am used to treestump being alive and can be killed again if they are too chatty.

~~Math

I want an explanation to why Lycanfire is dead and I don't want "mod error" because I don't buy that.

~~Math

Pedit : f2f is face to face. I can't link it or I would.

[drealmerz7]

NY 198: Nexus is Now a New Normal Mafia - I am

IC

- and I breadcrumb/soft claim it in my FIRST POST

Curse of Strahd - I am a

Ranger

- 1xBP tracker w/ Night-message ability and special Day-Mission ability - I played fucking horribly that game and even missed submitting the N1 track - unless you really need to that is not a good game of mine to read, lots of toxic and bad play

Ttyll - I am

Anarchists 1-Shot Strongman Neighbor

- I ripped it up as scum in that game, imo, and had a stellar fake-claim to boot, never even used the strongman or performed a NK in that game myself

that is literally IT of my completed games where I was a PR

if you want to count

Trial of the Evoker - I was

Sun-Touched

and it gave me special-day abilities IF I GOT SPELLS - but the mechanics in that game had the "spells" pass back and forth from player to player, I only acquired one once the entire game and it was a loved spell that I had and got lynched with even - I was essentially vanilla that game, imo

[Frozen Angel]

f2f k

I can accespt that

and no he wasn't a treestump its clearly worded in his role pm. His death was delayed , if at night he would die after next day if day he would get a chance to cast abilities at night ...

and That was what I was asking since the start OMFG. There are 2 possibilities :

1 - he lost delayed death or it was blocked
2 - something else killed him in last Day

[Frozen Angel]

Thenk drealm

[drealmerz7]

you replaced out of that Evoker game in a hydra slot right? I remember now pretty sure

[Frozen Angel]

Yes I was banned

[The DEO]

And the mod should be able to answer when he died.

@mod: Can you please answer when Lycanfire first took a killing action?
And for my own sanity (even though this doesn't follow the MS wiki but I have played some nonbastard games that didn't like Wake's) can you please confirm Lycanfire is not a treestump?

[The DEO]

(Still Math head posting)

[drealmerz7]

Yes I was banned

ohshit I had no idea

[Frozen Angel]

not sure if mod can answer your first question math >.>

[Frozen Angel]

Wait this is bastard?

[RadiantCowbells]

@mod: Can you please answer when Lycanfire first took a killing action?
And for my own sanity (even though this doesn't follow the MS wiki but I have played some nonbastard games that didn't like Wake's) can you please confirm Lycanfire is not a treestump?

1) Cannot confirm.
2) I can confirm LycanFire is not allowed to post in this thread.

[Frozen Angel]

Told u

RC can you answer this as well :

if someone was vanalized would you say they turned vanilla upon flip or not?

[The DEO]

This is not bastard but I take that with a grain of salt on MS a a whole.

Have had games where they call themselves not bastard yet don't follow the wiki so I assume it does but then if it doesn't it becomes okay another bastard not bastard game and just shut up.

~~Math