In Memory

[Frozen Angel]

FA, the thing is, if you are good with mechanics like you say, and game-solve with all of the details like you appear to do (oh hey, grand idea got cancelled, we can talk about that...weee), you should have this shit written down

every time a new piece of information gets added to the mix, you should be keeping notes and adjusting accordingly, otherwise you're going to forget things, make mistakes, and it's just going to be a complete and utter mess and not be helpful at all - again, why I think it points to you being scum because I think you know these things and do play that way on occassion, but can claim not to do so when it serves you

I don't write no shit in paper - really passed that point

Don't try to tell me what should I do. I trust my memory enough (it fucks up once or twice but hey its working fine in general) and Thats evident if you look back at my other games. I didn't write a single note in shadowrun. I once told the exact same setup of a large bastard game in D3 in an offsite game as a mason with no extra information. I solved saga but no one listened.

I can understand setups and I'm good at them. Its not my scum hunting method but IN THE PLACE I AM ATM thats teh best thing I can do for scumhunting

as I said I don't care what do you think of me tbh. I said whatever was necessary to say. Next claim "after I'm lynched"

[Frozen Angel]

omfg call yourself conftown again and look like a fool

You will be to fool when the time comes

don't insult my intelligence

ever

[Frozen Angel]

your point of existence, if you are town, is to HELP TOWN

it is a team game

it's not about YOU GETTING WHAT YOU NEED, it's about working together to achieve a common goal

I am not wasting time.

and I am helping town

WAY MORE THAN you can imagine

[drealmerz7]

I also understand setups and am good at them

but you have to make sure you have all of your shit straight

[Frozen Angel]

FA is scum because I don't think they are actually this incompetant of a player and are using the "whoopsies" as a way to shittify the thread, make us run in circles, waste our time and energy - these are scumtactics used to get town frustrated and demoralized

Good start.

VOTE: Frozen Angel

I think she is scum because of that:
--The contradictory I hunt by mechanics yet not noticing the mechanics claims.
--Outing of role information
--Not reading the thread closely.
--Not voting Vaxkiller.
--Her attack for the derp hammer didn't feel genuine.
--They are attacking as many people as possible but don't give concrete reads when asked numerous times. Instead they talk only about mhsmith and Drealmerz being reads.

~~Math

--No contradictions. I have so many informations atm and I missed one.
--I outed the necessary information to get more
--I am reading the thread really closely. you mentioned this point already why the redundancy... want to make me look worse?
--I didn't cause I wasn't finished with my train of thoughts. I was busy with RL when the wagon was pulling off thats maybe why I missed the neighbourhood thingi - I had to much in my mind

Btw important question : why didn't you ask postie after messing up with that lolhammer? You could ask her to test her and if you truly fucked up with calculations that would help wouldn't it?

A question : aliese told anything about me to you yet or not?

--I didn't attack on the derp hammer. It didn't seem genuine to me and I tried to see if it really was a misclaculation or is it a scum theather
--I want ONE solid scumread I will attack whoever I like. I don't care about Townreads. I don't want to look good

whats that telling you?

[drealmerz7]

again, get your ego out of it

it's about criticizing your method, it's a constructive thing, you could obviously do it better, right? yes, undoubtedly, no question, if you are closed to that truth, that is your problem

[Frozen Angel]

I also understand setups and am good at them

but you have to make sure you have all of your shit straight

I have all the shit together

I knew there was another neighbourhood and mhs was on it - I was thinking it was mhs - JAE cause Postie said that neighbourhood existed. I simply fucked up the two details because of the amount of neighbourhoods in this game.

[Frozen Angel]

again, get your ego out of it

it's about criticizing your method, it's a constructive thing, you could obviously do it better, right? yes, undoubtedly, no question, if you are closed to that truth, that is your problem

You can't criticize my game play when you don't know my gaol and game motivation

and don't even bother claiming to be as nearly as good as me in sorting setups. k? But thats not the point. Thats not my main way for scumhunting. I did that to have a good grasp on setup to find one single scumread that I was looking for

[drealmerz7]

you keep missing the point

you don't know if you're missing other things

not about the hoods

about anything

[drealmerz7]

if you missed one, you can miss more

and you don't know, because you don't know

what is so hard to understand about that? OH, your ego is in the way

[Frozen Angel]

if you missed one, you can miss more

and you don't know, because you don't know

what is so hard to understand about that? OH, your ego is in the way

I definitly can like any other human being

Your point is flawed unless your advertising to policy lynch me and your not thinking I'm scum.

[Frozen Angel]

I have to go somewhere

either finish my wagon before I'm home or completely eradicate it because it must be obvious now with all the crumbs I made in above posts - or your not good enough with setups to understand that?

bye for now

[Frozen Angel]

you keep missing the point

you don't know if you're missing other things

not about the hoods

about anything

Well I can write everything down to check that with you

are you suggesting that?

[Frozen Angel]

I can literally just out 80% of this playerlist

I have some Unclaimed informations about players in game

should I check everything? what is your point

[drealmerz7]

my point is you are being an egotistical know-itall who can't be told anything and are just completely railroading your agenda above anything else and that you don't really get the concept of the game

[drealmerz7]

you are missing every single one of my points, and it isn't hard to comprehend

you've really just got to be scum being difficult

[drealmerz7]

and shit like "finish my wagon or completely eradicate it" and "it should be obvious" shit is completely asinine ego-driven awfulness that you need to get in check

[mhsmith0]

if you missed one, you can miss more
and you don't know, because you don't know
what is so hard to understand about that?

OH, your ego is in the way

But that's a town tell unless you think it's fake on her end

my point is you are being an egotistical know-itall who can't be told anything and are just completely railroading your agenda above anything else and that you don't really get the concept of the game

You're accusing her of being bad rather than scum, and runaway ego is still a town tell for bulk majority of people

you are missing every single one of my points, and it isn't hard to comprehend
you've really just got to be scum being difficult

That's basically null on her end; if in fact she's missing your points (without clear direction there on what points she missed and how she seemed to dodge them) it's possible that she's legitimately gotten frustrated and/or sidetracked by your engagement style, as opposed to intentionally trying to dodge your points.

and shit like "finish my wagon or completely eradicate it" and "it should be obvious" shit is completely

asinine ego-driven awfulness

that you need to get in check

But that's a town tell unless you think it's fake on her end

Like, is there an actual case against FA that I've been too lazy to notice? Because literally none of this is a case, and if anything seems to be town-indicative.

[drealmerz7]

I resolve to:

it's just all a bit too convenient, especially with the bull-headedness pushing it through, insisting things are certain ways and then it's definitely not necessarily the case and I think they are a smart enough player to know that so why aren't they accepting it as possible? because to do so would permit her scum-genda to fail

[mhsmith0]

Gonna pull up part of one of my favorite quotes from my mega IC post

I don't have time to adequately respond to that post but one thing I can say quickly is that when I'm talking about emotions, I'm specifically excluding anger. It's the easiest emotion to fake and it's one that is often not alignment-indicative even when it is genuine, unless it can be traced to an origin in something distinctly villagery.

Emotions like pride, paranoia, surprise, suspicion, etc, are more difficult to fake. Wolves often fail to even identify spots in which emotion should be present in their posting, and their efforts at actually displaying more complex emotions are often quite clumsy, for example by stating their supposed feelings rather than displaying them.

You're basically accusing her of displaying a very high amount of ego in what seems to be a natural manner. So unless there's something fake about it, or unless you think there's something there that would more naturally suggest high ego from a wolf perspective, the whole thing just seems town-indicative on her end. If there's something I'm missing, feel free to point it out, but right now I don't see scum!fa in any meaningful way, just as I hadn't seen scum!creeps either.

[mhsmith0]

I resolve to:

it's just all a bit too convenient, especially with the bull-headedness pushing it through, insisting things are certain ways and then it's definitely not necessarily the case and I think they are a smart enough player to know that so why aren't they accepting it as possible? because to do so would permit her scum-genda to fail

What specific scum agenda is she pushing that accepting your logic would cause to fail? Why do you find this explanation to be more credible than "town!fa gets into fights with other players a lot and is just kind of pissed off at your engagement with her"?

[drealmerz7]

I don't know what her scumgenda would be, I suppose a more general agenda would be the standard:

cause confusion, frustration, misinformation, make sure to "be in control" so that she can guide the game HOWEVER she wants, or be more sure to drive it away from what she doesn't want

I'm not aware she gets into it with other players a lot (I do too!)

[mhsmith0]

Town!fa gets into fights a lot. I've played with her town game twice, both times she got into heated fights and quit. She tends to be an emotional player with a quick temper. Admittedly I don't know her scum game well enough to know if temper is legit AI for her, but at the least getting into fights and/or getting distracted by said fights is not itself scum-indicative for her.

[mhsmith0]

Another example:

FA is scum because I don't think they are actually this incompetant of a player and are using the "whoopsies" as a way to shittify the thread, make us run in circles, waste our time and energy - these are scumtactics used to get town frustrated and demoralized

Good start.

VOTE: Frozen Angel

I think she is scum because of that:
--The contradictory I hunt by mechanics yet not noticing the mechanics claims.
--Outing of role information
--Not reading the thread closely.
--Not voting Vaxkiller.
--Her attack for the derp hammer didn't feel genuine.
--They are attacking as many people as possible but don't give concrete reads when asked numerous times. Instead they talk only about mhsmith and Drealmerz being reads.

~~Math

1) sloppiness isn't AI
2) at worst, SLIGHTLY scum indicative; towns do this a lot for various reasons
3) sloppiness isn't AI
4) vax was going down that day, and bussing a buddy going down is the easiest thing in the world to do. I don't remember what drove FAs claim to deserve credit for his lynch at 3331, but at the very least I don't recall any effort made to save him
5) if she's scum, attacking someone for a derp hammer on her buddy during twilight seems effective only in a "well I totally wouldnt do that as scum" way. Strikes me as basically NAI
6) the closest thing on the list to a point, but even there it's weak

Like, if there's a case on FA I continue not to see it. So either enlighten me or go look for actually scummy people. On that note I should probably get around to rereading vedith for spew, probably doing that over the weekend.

[drealmerz7]

that is good to know, I tend to get into it with people too, but it's less our conflict that is the issue and more that she's, in my view, making it more difficult than it needs to be, and excusing it conveniently, and then causing a distracting argument with me about it rather than just be like "oh right this game is complex, no matter how good I think OR KNOW I am, I should write details down and go back over the game and be thorough and make sure I didn't miss anything else if my method is actually going to be worth a damn to anyone but me" - which she doesn't seem interested in helping anyone but herself, it's all about HER figuring it out so SHE can TELL everyone else what to do

that's a scummy way to play, inherently, scum can hide in so much of all of that ^ - I find it likely she is, and it is certainly not healthy to discount the possibility that she isn't