In Memory

[drealmerz7]

you can't say "sloppiness isn't AI"

scum can fake sloppiness and use it to their advantage, like fake derpclearing

[mhsmith0]

you can't say "sloppiness isn't AI"
scum can fake sloppiness and use it to their advantage, like fake derpclearing

And town can actually be sloppy. So it can be town or wolf, thus it's not AI, unless there's compelling evidence that it's a fake sloppiness, and "I don't think you'd miss this" strikes me as being weak on that front unless there's something super clear to you that I've just failed to see.

[drealmerz7]

dude, anything can be anything

we've got to talk about this specific game

in this specific game, I think she is scum either 1.) using actual sloppiness to her advantage/being lazy and not caring about the details or, 2.) pretending to do so

[mhsmith0]

which she doesn't seem interested in helping anyone but herself, it's all about HER figuring it out so SHE can TELL everyone else what to do

Congratulations, you have effectively diagnosed high ego town. This diagnosis will help you greatly in your MS career since you'll run into that kind of archetype a LOT

that's a scummy way to play, inherently, scum can hide in so much of all of that ^ - I find it likely she is, and it is certainly not healthy to discount the possibility that she isn't

It's a townie way to play, actually. Not necessarily optimal play, but it's actually hard as scum to fake a high ego solving process.
Now, I wouldn't lock her in as conftown or the like for it, but it's town-indicative, and is certainly not something I'd hop along to as evidence of any kind of compelling case.

[drealmerz7]

sometimes someone is a lurkfuck because they are scum skimming under the radar

sometimes someone is a lurkfuck because they don't have time for the game (and are town)

sometimes someone is a lurkfuck because they don't have time for the game (and are scum)

sometimes someone is a lurkfuck because they aren't interested in the game (as town)

so you can say "lurking is not alignment indicative" because you can't generalize like that in mafia, it's dumb, you have to analyze each individual scenario

[drealmerz7]

CAN'T SAY

[mhsmith0]

dude, anything can be anything

we've got to talk about this specific game

in this specific game, I think she is scum either 1.) using actual sloppiness to her advantage/being lazy and not caring about the details or, 2.) pretending to do so

I guess I'd like to see the evidence that this is actually the case instead of basically thinking it could be. It kinda seems like you have a read there and are stretching for a way to support it.

Like, where specifically is she using sloppiness to her advantage, and what advtange is she gaining by it? She certainly doesn't seem to be using it to drive mislynches; is she simply trying to lower our expectations for her play and coast that way? Something else?

[drealmerz7]

we're a week away from deadline

there's loads of content

you aren't voting, are you leaning towards anyone being likely enough scum that you're comfortable voting them? more than 1?

[mhsmith0]

sometimes someone is a lurkfuck because they are scum skimming under the radar

sometimes someone is a lurkfuck because they don't have time for the game (and are town)

sometimes someone is a lurkfuck because they don't have time for the game (and are scum)

sometimes someone is a lurkfuck because they aren't interested in the game (as town)

so you can say "lurking is not alignment indicative" because you can't generalize like that in mafia, it's dumb, you have to analyze each individual scenario

If you're gonna lurker lynch, do so because you have a decent set of town reads and are POEing it, or because the game has gotten overly lurker-y and a policy lynch may actually help behavior. I certainly wouldn't think "this guy is lurking" is in and of itself a good reason to lynch.

[mhsmith0]

we're a week away from deadline

there's loads of content

you aren't voting, are you leaning towards anyone being likely enough scum that you're comfortable voting them? more than 1?

Honestly I need to invest time in re-reading the game before voting, since I'm not particularly sure. I was also hoping zef vs deo would go somewhere intersting and potentially indicative on one or the other, but that hasn't really happened yet from what I can tell.

[drealmerz7]

the sloppiness advantage is the derpclearing first and foremost

but it has other advantages that can't necessarily be "seen", it just causes the whole process of scumhunting to be a bit messy, it inhibits town working towards our goal

[drealmerz7]

sometimes someone is a lurkfuck because they are scum skimming under the radar

sometimes someone is a lurkfuck because they don't have time for the game (and are town)

sometimes someone is a lurkfuck because they don't have time for the game (and are scum)

sometimes someone is a lurkfuck because they aren't interested in the game (as town)

so you can say "lurking is not alignment indicative" because you can't generalize like that in mafia, it's dumb, you have to analyze each individual scenario

If you're gonna lurker lynch, do so because you have a decent set of town reads and are POEing it, or because the game has gotten overly lurker-y and a policy lynch may actually help behavior. I certainly wouldn't think "this guy is lurking" is in and of itself a good reason to lynch.

wtf, now I'm getting pings from you

this isn't about lynching, this is about getting alignment indications based on behavior

you can't just write off someone's lurking as NAI, you have to look at it closer and see if you can get any leans on more specifics

[mhsmith0]

you can't just write off someone's lurking as NAI, you have to look at it closer and see if you can get any leans on more specifics

Sure. And in the case of this game, I don't feel like you've substantiated your case on FA in a useful manner. You've talked a bit about how she COULD be pursuing a scum agenda, but I haven't seen evidence that she HAS been doing that, and the behavior you've described is in general more town indicative than scum indicative in a vacuum. So I guess if you think she's pursuing a scum agenda, do a better job of explaining what you see, preferably with specific quotes or references, and I'll look more closely.

[drealmerz7]

yeah it's an overall feel of the slot at this point, an accumulation of everything

also frustrated a bit because I feel at a loss and I feel like a lot of what deo+FA are doing isn't really helping the scumhunt, it's being distracting from the scumhunt

so

we're a week away from deadline

there's loads of content

you aren't voting, are you leaning towards anyone being likely enough scum that you're comfortable voting them? more than 1?

[Klingoncelt]

OOOOOOOOH KC.
I sure do got a surprise for you.

I never did like surprises.

What is it?

[Klingoncelt]

It's done in hard defense of DEO.

So basically alisae is scum iff DEO is?

Yeah.

[Klingoncelt]

smith and I are in a hood

jaereed confirmed us, essentially

How did JaeReed confirm you without being in the Hood?

[drealmerz7]

read the farking thread

[Klingoncelt]

Yeah but have you played with RC or in one of his games?

Dude has some crazy creativity going on in his brain, and I wouldn't put it past him to try something like this.

Also, my whole not-being-part-of-the-game for Day 1 is borderline bastard, but I also have some priveleged information as it relates to my role, etc. Still, I'm just saying that it's a possibility.

Scumread would be FA for a lot of lamist and iioa type posts that I touched on earlier, and "not-a-town-read" would be Alisae because I never really liked the Gamma slot and she hasn't done anything to improve that feeling.

It explains the "love" mechanic - if one head of the hydra dies, the other dies too, like lovers.

There's no room for a simple, unattached Love mechanic in this game, it's way too out of place.

This game is about death. Every mechanic relates to death.

[Klingoncelt]

I seriously have to take like 3 times as long with her posts to try and fucking understand what she is saying, no one else has this issue?

I had an internet friend, she was Italian, living and working in Norway, English was like her 4th language. It could take days to figure out what she was saying.

[JaeReed]

Actually everything relates to hoods or deaths.

Part of my role is being informed of a neighbourhood for those who suffered great loss

[drealmerz7]

and ours is called "loss neighborhood"

[Klingoncelt]

Okay. Thanks.

Now vote DEO, please.

[drealmerz7]

ohyeah I should probably switch my vote back there

got over-heated on FA for the vote at least

VOTE: the DEO

[Frozen Angel]

which she doesn't seem interested in helping anyone but herself, it's all about HER figuring it out so SHE can TELL everyone else what to do

Congratulations, you have effectively diagnosed high ego town. This diagnosis will help you greatly in your MS career since you'll run into that kind of archetype a LOT

I'm not usually like that

This game IS DIFFERENT

I have to be like that