Micro 674 9:12 Dream Mafia. Game over

[-Grey-]

It was a reaction test Jae cuz I wanted to see how Grey would respond and he probably saw it and ignored it.
Town!Grey scoffs at stupid shit and walks away.
VOTE: JaeReed
Rather persue this now cuz VCA.

Is that how you justify me never taking you seriously?

[Alisae]

Purdy much!
Look, it's town!Grey.

[Alisae]

tho Grey I still would like your reads

[gerryoat]

then who is maf

[Alisae]

Jae is.
Why do you think BTD is scum?

[JaeReed]

Yeah Alisae hasn't tried to read me at all. Their reasoning as town is shit but never this lazy.

I don't have a read on maker. He has an anti-town playstyle at best and is lynchbait regardless of alignment. I can't work out if hap's push on him is town or scum motivated though. I get bad gut vibes from the whole thing but that could be inherently disliking pushes on BTD for his playstyle.

VOTE: Alisae

This is probscum.

[gerryoat]

rofl nice

[Alisae]

Lol that's funny cuz I looked in your ISO and I'm not liking what I'm seeing.
Hint: It's not the JaeReed Senpai's towngame I know and love.

Not to mention last time you gave reads you had my predecessor as your highest townread.
Sure, that was 200 posts ago. But you're blatantly OMGUSing a slot you townread before.
Also instead of asking for anything else, you jump on me.

AWW MAN JAEREED, SCUM LOVE HAVING A JUSTIFIED VOTE
WINK WINK, NUDGE NUDGE

[-Grey-]

tho Grey I still would like your reads

I have a grudge scumread on TPA. I think his push on me is disingenuous.

That said, I agree with stuff he says that

isn't

about me... so I'm kinda torn there.

My pet scumread was flubber and I was going to keep pushing him today, but he was killed last night so meh.

I'm not explicitly townreading BTD, but he's not exactly a scumread either. Not a fan of Gerry pushing me to hop on the wagon when it's already at L-2.

Penguin was striking me as lurker scum.

Jae is town.

[Alisae]

Grey I skimmed TPA and I don't like their stuff on you either.

[-Grey-]

Oh yeah, and hapahauli is fucking impossible to read because of that rhyming shtick.

[-Grey-]

I don't have a read on maker. He has an anti-town playstyle at best and is lynchbait regardless of alignment. I can't work out if hap's push on him is town or scum motivated though. I get bad gut vibes from the whole thing but that could be inherently disliking pushes on BTD for his playstyle.

This.

Right here.

Is a perfect example of why I townread Jae.

[Alisae]

Townies are usually direct,

while reading their iso I found this lol.

pedit: tbh Grey I would say the same thing about BTD's playstyle. Does that make me town?

[Alisae]

Hey JaeReed.
How come you didn't push hapahuali yet for things like, say, idunno, 470?

[-Grey-]

Townies are usually direct,

while reading their iso I found this lol.

pedit: tbh Grey I would say the same thing about BTD's playstyle. Does that make me town?

1) You haven't, though.
2) It's not just about BTD. It's also about the hap push on him that I am also trying to wrap my own head around.
3) It ain't always what you say. It's how you say it.

[-Grey-]

Hey JaeReed.
How come you didn't push hapahuali yet for things like, say, idunno, 470?

What's to push?

hap is saying flubber likely died for suspecting BTD.

It's a fair assumption, because he damned sure wasn't killed for being towny.

[JaeReed]

Lol that's funny cuz I looked in your ISO and I'm not liking what I'm seeing.
Hint: It's not the JaeReed Senpai's towngame I know and love.

Not to mention last time you gave reads you had my predecessor as your highest townread.
Sure, that was 200 posts ago. But you're blatantly OMGUSing a slot you townread before.
Also instead of asking for anything else, you jump on me.

AWW MAN JAEREED, SCUM LOVE HAVING A JUSTIFIED VOTE
WINK WINK, NUDGE NUDGE

This is an aggressive discrediting reaction btw.

1) I'm allowed to change my mind. Especially considering two of my scumreads flipped town, a re-evaluation of the gamestate was always going to happen.
2) I see a scum push on me, I vote the scum pushing on me. Call it whatever you want but until I see something townie from you I'm not unvoting.
3) I asked for your reasons, I prodded you on the reasoning being lazy, and instead of going more in depth or double checking on your vca you ignored me because you knew you had no argument. It's the same thing I did as scum in Trials where I ignored Gamma trying to engage with me and pushed for his lynch instead, because I knew he'd town it up if I responded directly to what he asked me.

Yep, sometimes they do. Which is why I believe you went for the "wagon disappeared" approach. Without analyzing anything surrounding it, or even the number of scum in the game.

[Alisae]

They scumread BTD. They also scumread my slot.
Seeing a pattern here?

[-Grey-]

The REAL reason to push hap would be to ask him why he chose to wagon BTD instead of gerry if he was following a dead towny's reads, because flubber died voting Gerry. Not BTD.

[Alisae]

1) I'm allowed to change my mind. Especially considering two of my scumreads flipped town, a re-evaluation of the gamestate was always going to happen.
2) I see a scum push on me, I vote the scum pushing on me. Call it whatever you want but until I see something townie from you I'm not unvoting.
3) I asked for your reasons, I prodded you on the reasoning being lazy, and instead of going more in depth or double checking on your vca you ignored me because you knew you had no argument. It's the same thing I did as scum in Trials where I ignored Gamma trying to engage with me and pushed for his lynch instead, because I knew he'd town it up if I responded directly to what he asked me.

1. Fine.
2. So instead of trying to ask more questions to see if I am going to continue being lazy or if I'm not you jump on me? Ok.
3. Senpai is expecting depth from me...I'm already seeing problems with this.
If why would scum A. Replace in followed by B. Attempt to push something without an arguement. Plus you just said my push was lazy and not really asking me to go indepth about it so I didn't see it that way.
You want depth, here you go:

Think Tepes was an earlygame wagon for a long time.
And then suddenly it dissapears. Vanishes. Gone. Poof.
Instead Fire is the counter wagon.
Why do you think your wagon suddenly dissapeared?
Because scum derailed it.

[Alisae]

Grey the answer is that both Penguin slot and BTD are lurkers.

[JaeReed]

Hey JaeReed.
How come you didn't push hapahuali yet for things like, say, idunno, 470?

I'll let you in on a secret that I'm fairly sure you would have figured out by now, and I'm pretty sure I've also told you when we were discussing tells.

No tell is perfect. Town will also jump on a nightkill. That's why you have to analyze the way one goes about it.

I could ask you the same thing, though. Why vote Grey first and then me instead of hap if you feel like that's something I should have pushed on? Shouldn't you then be voting hap?

I'll also share something else with you: http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... 3#p8332123
I'm pretty sure I've already shown you that but take a look and memorize it for when you're town. You're making the same mistake scum!GL made here in assuming I'll listen to a scumread trying to tempt me with one of my tells. If I thought enough of it either way I'd be pushing it.

[Alisae]

Why vote Grey first and then me instead of hap if you feel like that's something I should have pushed on? Shouldn't you then be voting hap?

Cause I'm a replacement who replaced in attempting to reaction test. I liked the response I got.

Okay I'll vote hap now cuz I like you now cuz you has gud reasons for scumreading me not to mention your interactions with me seem to be coming from town.
VOTE: Hap

[-Grey-]

VOTE: hap

I can vote hyur.

[JaeReed]

2. So instead of trying to ask more questions to see if I am going to continue being lazy or if I'm not you jump on me? Ok.
3. Senpai is expecting depth from me...I'm already seeing problems with this.
If why would scum A. Replace in followed by B. Attempt to push something without an arguement. Plus you just said my push was lazy and not really asking me to go indepth about it so I didn't see it that way.
You want depth, here you go:

Think Tepes was an earlygame wagon for a long time.
And then suddenly it dissapears. Vanishes. Gone. Poof.
Instead Fire is the counter wagon.
Why do you think your wagon suddenly dissapeared?
Because scum derailed it.

2. There were no more questions to be asked. You shut down the attempt at engagement by ignoring my response.
3. Ok, what was Tepes an earlygame wagon for? How do you believe scum gained enough sway in the game to swing the wagon? Do you believe the Firebringer lynch was a policy lynch or something more? And yes, I expect something more when you start with a stance and try to work backwards than two VC quotes with no micro level analysis of the votes, because I taught you better than that.