@postie: I went back to hood. I specifically speculated about MULTIPLE possibilities, alignment cop, super watcher, tracker+follower. Did jaereed claim I just said it would likely be alignment cop?In post 4379, mhsmith0 wrote:A follow is a substantially better power than a flavor checker, so presuming that the boost would be better than the one to the flavor checker strikes me as pretty reasonable, and there aren't all that many things more useful than a role cop. I think I speculated also about a super watcher, but I could be misremembering.In post 4374, Postie wrote:To aIn post 4366, mhsmith0 wrote:it was ENTIRELY reasonable to think that I'd get a bigger boostcop? No.
I understand what you were thinking but also Klingon needs to die. I don't think that slot is going to obvtown themselves any time soon.In post 4419, drealmerz7 wrote:because we have a good number of players left and 1 scum and I thought tempered action was better
I also thought I could be the NK and didn't want to missfire and get 2 dead townies overNight, best to hold on to it I thought
by N6 if we are still going it will be much more useful, imo
No, he mentioned super watcher and tracker+follower too. It's still scummy af though.In post 4426, mhsmith0 wrote:@postie: I went back to hood. I specifically speculated about MULTIPLE possibilities, alignment cop, super watcher, tracker+follower. Did jaereed claim I just said it would likely be alignment cop?
Why? If I'm scum, and I'm getting a big investigative, that locks me into a set of claims right? What's the scum motivation exactly? It seems entirely reasonable as town to want to use my abilities more, and I fail to see idle speculation like I made as AI in any manner. Why do you think it's indicative?In post 4429, Postie wrote:No, he mentioned super watcher and tracker+follower too. It's still scummy af though.In post 4426, mhsmith0 wrote:@postie: I went back to hood. I specifically speculated about MULTIPLE possibilities, alignment cop, super watcher, tracker+follower. Did jaereed claim I just said it would likely be alignment cop?
Fair point. My suspicion stems from a combination of the uselessness of it (if you're going to give out a useless role, why do itIn post 4433, mhsmith0 wrote:Also postie, I think you were the one talking about "it's an RC game" wrt potential weirdness. Why does it seem unlikely for town to have duplicate crappy investigative powers (since flavor checker is basically useless)? That seems like an odd structure, but I don't see the balance issues with it. Why do you assume that it's any kind of important competing claims?
Yeah it does seem weird. Otoh I actually did have a specific odd night action that makes a lot of sense to have used as town (I admit that I asked drealz to claim before I outed, but the motive of potentially trapping him in a lie, after endorsing a Kuroi shot as being acceptable, seems fairly obvious), and again I'm claiming I get to do it again tonight (potentially on someone who claims some kind of active night ability, which if they're scum presumable wouldn't be something where their action shows up but their kill doesn't).In post 4435, Postie wrote:Fair point. My suspicion stems from a combination of the uselessness of it (if you're going to give out a useless role, why do itIn post 4433, mhsmith0 wrote:Also postie, I think you were the one talking about "it's an RC game" wrt potential weirdness. Why does it seem unlikely for town to have duplicate crappy investigative powers (since flavor checker is basically useless)? That seems like an odd structure, but I don't see the balance issues with it. Why do you assume that it's any kind of important competing claims?twice?) and the fact you're claiming a stronger version of my ability that gets boosted into something even stronger while I just get to be boosted into a role you already have. Your claim just makes my role and the option of boosting it seem really redundant.
Of course you wouldn'tIn post 4434, mhsmith0 wrote:Why? If I'm scum, and I'm getting a big investigative, that locks me into a set of claims right?
And you wouldn't do any of this as scum because?In post 4437, mhsmith0 wrote:Yeah it does seem weird. Otoh I actually did have a specific odd night action that makes a lot of sense to have used as town (I admit that I asked drealz to claim before I outed, but the motive of potentially trapping him in a lie, after endorsing a Kuroi shot as being acceptable, seems fairly obvious), and again I'm claiming I get to do it again tonight (potentially on someone who claims some kind of active night ability, which if they're scum presumable wouldn't be something where their action shows up but their kill doesn't).
In post 4438, Postie wrote:Of course you wouldn'tIn post 4434, mhsmith0 wrote:Why? If I'm scum, and I'm getting a big investigative, that locks me into a set of claims right?actuallyclaim you got boosted into a full cop or whatever. It's just scummy because you want the boostwaytoo much.
In post 4439, Postie wrote:And you wouldn't do any of this as scum because?In post 4437, mhsmith0 wrote:Yeah it does seem weird. Otoh I actually did have a specific odd night action that makes a lot of sense to have used as town (I admit that I asked drealz to claim before I outed, but the motive of potentially trapping him in a lie, after endorsing a Kuroi shot as being acceptable, seems fairly obvious), and again I'm claiming I get to do it again tonight (potentially on someone who claims some kind of active night ability, which if they're scum presumable wouldn't be something where their action shows up but their kill doesn't).
^is alisae no longer a double voter?In post 4425, RadiantCowbells wrote:In Memory
Votecount 5.178:
Mhsmith0 (2): Creature, Alisae
Frozen Angel (0):
Klingoncelt (0):
drealmersz7 (0):
Alisae (0):
JaeReed (0):
Creature (0):
Postie (0):
Not Voting: Postie, JaeReed, Frozen Angel, Mhsmith0, drealmerz7, Klingoncelt
With 8 alive it takes 5 votes to lynch.
The day will end in (expired on 2017-02-15 21:00:00).
Unless a mechanic effected Zefiend's death to allow him to continue to impact the game in some way, the answer is no.
Well, I'm pretty much hard locked into such a claim if I'm scum, which seems kind of dumb.In post 4439, Postie wrote:And you wouldn't do any of this as scum because?In post 4437, mhsmith0 wrote:Yeah it does seem weird. Otoh I actually did have a specific odd night action that makes a lot of sense to have used as town (I admit that I asked drealz to claim before I outed, but the motive of potentially trapping him in a lie, after endorsing a Kuroi shot as being acceptable, seems fairly obvious), and again I'm claiming I get to do it again tonight (potentially on someone who claims some kind of active night ability, which if they're scum presumable wouldn't be something where their action shows up but their kill doesn't).
No it didn't. YouIn post 4440, mhsmith0 wrote:that made sense given the info at hand
Sure, it seemed possible.In post 4444, Postie wrote:No it didn't. YouIn post 4440, mhsmith0 wrote:that made sense given the info at handreallythought it was possible you'd go from what you were to a full cop?Really?
What did you think would happen if Jae stayed another night after that? Autowin the game?In post 4445, mhsmith0 wrote:Sure, it seemed possible.
Flavor checker is a garbage ability, role cop is a slid ability.
Follower is a solid ability, a similar sized boost would be... well, there aren't really many options, but SOMETHING better than role cop seemed likely.
Ignoring any of your own role info, given only the info that I had on hand, why do you think that's unreasonable?
The night after that I'd have been role cop again under my theory. So cycling through, regular cop then role cop, but under limited circumstances that aren't especially likely (jr targeting me instead of anyone else) seems reasonable enough, especially without knowing what other kind of power was out there. Maybe scum had a Roleblocker (it was actually a vanillaizer), maybe scum had a strongman (they did), etc. or maybe town had a bunch of crap power and mine was the only partuclarly useful one (mine and drealz I guess), etc etc etc (hell, maybe jr boosting scum would do something really bad)In post 4446, Postie wrote:What did you think would happen if Jae stayed another night after that? Autowin the game?In post 4445, mhsmith0 wrote:Sure, it seemed possible.
Flavor checker is a garbage ability, role cop is a slid ability.
Follower is a solid ability, a similar sized boost would be... well, there aren't really many options, but SOMETHING better than role cop seemed likely.
Ignoring any of your own role info, given only the info that I had on hand, why do you think that's unreasonable?
I don't buy that you wouldn't see how horribly unbalanced and game-breaking it would be to just keep exponentially increasing someone's power.