Micro 675: Heroes of the Storm uPick - Game Over!

[Syryana]

So, you have all that reasoning to scum read TOB, and you voted them...but if I had hammered them, you would have governed them.

Yep. Two quickhammers and you die. Period. End.

In fact I'm not even a fruit vendor. SxN can confirm if they received a note saying they were targeted, but I'm pretty sure not even THAT part gets noted.

P-edit: No using the govern should NOT happen. It puts us in Mylo tomorrow with no flip. Verifying Syr's role exists isn't the point. More of having his claim to note any obvious balance issues.

I'm not planning on using the govern. Also the proof my role exists is already in the thread.

For targeting, I wonder if being governed wouldn't trigger it as well... Bork, myself, Charl, S_S have targeted abilities of some sort right now so there are decent ways to trigger it.

The way my PM is worded implies it doesn't target. I'd ask, but I think the question is largely academic at this point

Also my problem with their role isn't lack of things to trigger it but lack of reason for it to be in the game at all from a town perspective

[Foxbird]

Votecount 3.4

Persivul

(1) - Seiko x Naomi

(L-1!)

The Oxford Bubbles

(1) - Syryana

(L-2!)

Not Voting

(3) - Aj The Epic, Syryana, Persivul, Ultralisk, The Oxford Bubbles

With

5

players eligible to vote, it’s

3

to lynch!

Day 3 will end in

(expired on 2017-02-14 08:21:03).

Mod Notes:

None!

[Syryana]

Notty, get your sorry ass in here

You too Pie

This game is fuckin dead

[The Oxford Bubbles]

Our PM says our ability activates when we're targeted during the night, so I don't think day abilities trigger it.
Syryana, in LyLo scum would need to mislynch us to win. If they lied about activating our ability, they wouldn't.

~ Raven

[Syryana]

Syryana, in LyLo scum would need to mislynch us to win. If they lied about activating our ability, they wouldn't.

1. Town can activate your ability
2. Whether or not you're bulletproof has no effect on mafia winning after LyLo
3. Mafia does NOT need to lynch you at LyLo to win, regardless of activation
4. Since you've broadcast the target thing it actually made it EASIER for scum to lie

I just don't even at this point

[The Oxford Bubbles]

If we're Bulletproof after LyLo, scum can't shoot us. That should end the game in a draw.

~ Raven

[The Oxford Bubbles]

You win when your faction has become the majority of players alive, or when nothing can prevent this from happening.

There's no way for this to happen if the Mafia can't kill the night after LyLo.

Foxbird

, can you confirm this?

~ Raven

[Aj The Epic]

Assuming a 3 person LYLO, scum, you and another... Scum just kills that 'another'.

[Syryana]

If we're Bulletproof after LyLo, scum can't shoot us. That should end the game in a draw.

Let's say it's a you, bork, Dunnstral LYLO. Bork gets lynched. You're BP that night because Aj targeted you right? Here's what happens.

1. Scum no kills
2. Next day, no lynch happens because lynch is impossible
3. Scum NKs you, wins game

[The Oxford Bubbles]

2. Next day, no lynch happens because lynch is impossible

I believe this ends the game. Foxbird can clarify.

~ Raven

[Syryana]

http://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?title=Endgame

[The Oxford Bubbles]

That information helps. You could be right. I still want the mod to clarify. The wiki doesn't cover what happens with Bulletproofs.

~ Raven

[Persivul]

Let's say it's a you, bork, Dunnstral LYLO. Bork gets lynched. You're BP that night because Aj targeted you right? Here's what happens.

1. Scum no kills
2. Next day, no lynch happens because lynch is impossible
3. Scum NKs you, wins game

Yes, this is what should happen.

Where's seiko?

[Foxbird]

Gonna try to answer this as diplomatically as possible as to not mod-confirm anything that has been said.

A forced no-lynch does not necessarily end the game. Only a permanent state of no possible actions on either side would do that.

Refer to the Endgame wiki page for anything else.

I hope that answers everyone's questions!

[Seiko x Naomi]

beetlejuice

Haven't had time to review syry's iso

We're sylvanas

1shot flavor cop

We checked persi n1

[Seiko x Naomi]

Notty, get your sorry ass in here

You too Pie

This game is fuckin dead

I'm going to catchup tomorrow bc I get off work early

[Aj The Epic]

Well what's flavor cop got from you, how does that match up with what's said?

Also, TOB/Syr? Which one?

[The Oxford Bubbles]

I think Persivul is scum! Here is the evidence against him.

1) He was chosen by Dunn to be hated! That means Dunnstral wants to make us think he is town by being hated. cossss Dunn woulda known he would flip! so making a townie hated was no use since everyone would know they were hated! the only reason is to make him look g o o d

2) he was trying to make me vote aj so he could use his double vote and quick hammer! I find it suspicious that he summoned his ultralisk on the day I was abuot to put aj at L-2!!!!!

HEY!!!! PERSIVUL!!!! RESPOND TO THIS OR I'LL QUICKHAMMER YA!!!!

[Aj The Epic]

Persivul shouldn't be our lynch target.

[Persivul]

HEY!!!! PERSIVUL!!!! RESPOND TO THIS OR I'LL QUICKHAMMER YA!!!!

Go ahead.

Persivul shouldn't be our lynch target.

Unless Seiko makes a very convincimg reversal on my slot, I absolutely must be the lynch today, or scum wins tomorrow. I'm not joking. I've never hammered myself as town, but in this situation I would, as I'm convinced it would be playing to my wincon.

[Aj The Epic]

VOTE: TOB

[Syryana]

The grass grows under our feet as we await even one half of our lord and savior.

[Seiko x Naomi]

@Syr, I don't understand why you're so hung up on TOB's posts. I think you're 100% right that their thought process is wrong and stupid, but I don't really see them-scum faking it; I think it's a thought process they either legitimately would have had as town or them as scum doing what they'd do as town (i.e. it's null).

I don't think any of this is anywhere near as much of a tell as shit like Persi straight up trying to oversell his double-vote as a "confirmed town" role back on D1, which has a hell of a lot more scum motivation than this (TOB delayed their full claim so they could... what... have more information for a claim they largely locked themselves into all the way back on D1?).

I'd be continuing to call for Persi votes if not for the fact that notty and I haven't convened in forever and he still isn't caught up with the game.

if I'm missing something, let me know.

[Syryana]

Do you anticipate notty showing up anytime soon?

[Syryana]

On second thought as we're pretty much at an impasse here I'm going to give notty 24 hours to catch up/post his thoughts then I'll hammer Persi.