Civilization Mafia [GAME OVER]

[Spiffeh]

The "stop what you're talking about" thing was a joke relax

I read your case, I see your points, but I think beeboy has a better chance of flipping scum so that is who I will be pushing.

[Lil Uzi Vert]

Who is Yuri?

He can answer that for himself. Have too much respect for dude to expose him.

...ok, I think whoever told you who I was was yanking your chain or else mistaken themselves. Because this isn't true. I barely know you, and I doubt you have much respect for me.
Busy besides that! Will get to Frog's case when I have time later.

You don't need to lie man.

[Nahdia]

Lynch Vote 1.15

Yuri (5):

Lil Uzi Vert, The DEO, Akane and Nebby, Vecna, Fro99er

beeboy (4):

ssbm_Kyouko, PeregrineV, Spiffeh, Creature

Akane and Nebby (4):

Yuri, Maxous, beeboy, Nero Cain

NoticeMeSenpai (1):

Elbirn

The DEO (1):

Sondam

Fro99er (1):

Leonshade

Sondam (1):

Drixx

Not Voting (4):

Caesar Wills It, ooba, NoticeMeSenpai, Albert B. Rampage

With 21 players alive, it takes 11 to to lynch.
Lynch deadline is in (expired on 2017-02-21 10:05:30), at which point we will default to no lynch.

[Yuri]

I don't think those are invalid points though, I'm just out-of-game personally offended by the way LUV went about voting Yuri and I'm not going to have any part in it, so I'm predispositioned to dislike that wagon now

Honestly appreciate it, the whole thing really bothered me and while I probably overreacted, thanks for saying something about it.

[Lil Uzi Vert]

The "stop what you're talking about" thing was a joke relax

I read your case, I see your points, but I think beeboy has a better chance of flipping scum so that is who I will be pushing.

I understand your points about beeboy I'm just asking how long was that game you played with him.

[Akane and Nebby]

So where have you talked about me before?

[Fro99er]

The "stop what you're talking about" thing was a joke relax

I read your case, I see your points, but I think beeboy has a better chance of flipping scum so that is who I will be pushing.

And do you agree with my points?

Disagree?

Which ones specifically?

I'm not letting you hand wave this away.

[Yuri]

You don't need to lie man.

We're not friends and I barely know you.

[Lil Uzi Vert]

No it's not just WIFOM

Role selection discussion just narrows down for scum where the power roles are and where the next batch of roles could likely land

So people need to shut up about their role preferences

No it's definitely wifom, you just haven't thought about it enough yet

I guess I did shift onto him rather easily, which is fine for him to be suspicious about.

Id much ather have ssbm adjust the frogger case from a few pages ago though, and adress why he thinks those points are invalid reasons for sheeping the wagon.

Now that would be a true depiction of town quality, instead of just making obvious observations.

I don't think those are invalid points though, I'm just out-of-game personally offended by the way LUV went about voting Yuri and I'm not going to have any part in it, so I'm predispositioned to dislike that wagon now

Can you at least ask about the Jeareed read Titus? Because the explenation I was given was incomprehensible to me.

Mathblade uses They for the record.

Their explanation is simple. JaeReed derped and derping is their town game. See Shadowrun. (I'm sure they'd have more detail, but that's the gist). 90+ percent of Math's reads today are meta.

I've never played with math. Can you ask them the reason for the scumread on me?

You're defending "obvscum" Vecna. That's their reason.

(Quotes are because I disagree.)

~Titus

But I'm bussing obvscum Yuri?

Got it

Math thinks unless Vecna gets lynched today, he will never be lynched. So they justify it as you bussing Yuri to save Vecna. I told them, well we get scum. They said

but Vecna gets away

.

~Titus

Actually hilarious

Did you read my actually reasoning though? It literally has nothing do with the alt stuff.

[Akane and Nebby]

You don't need to lie man.

We're not friends and I barely know you.

I've seen town Uzi and I don't really agree with you

-Nebby

[The DEO]

The "stop what you're talking about" thing was a joke relax

I read your case, I see your points, but I think beeboy has a better chance of flipping scum so that is who I will be pushing.

I'd like to talk to you and Uzi about beeboy tomorrow. I kinda agree with his gut thing but my brain agrees with you Spiffeh. My way premature VCA says Yuri.

I'd like to get all of town working together than divided. Both are acceptable to me.

[Vecna]

I dont particularly like your reasoning of taking offense to LUV's reason for voting as a valid reason to dislike the entire wagon and Froggers case.

ESPECIALLY if you basically state that you dont disagree with his reasoning.

From where im standing, and based on you last post, your vote should be right there alongside us.

[Yuri]

Uzi: Yeah, you said my reasoning for voting you was weak. Which could be fine. But then you have to go on 'oh, but I gave him an out and he didn't take it' when your out was me revealing my main. So of course I wouldn't take it.

[Akane and Nebby]

This counterwagon on me is hilarious.

-Nebby

[Yuri]

You don't need to lie man.

We're not friends and I barely know you.

I've seen town Uzi and I don't really agree with you

-Nebby

Seeing someone's towngame isn't the same as being friends, being respected by them, or 'laughing about things when the game is over'.

[Vecna]

This focus on uzi's "immense rudeness" is not helping anything get sorted, but rather fels like some very weak deflection mechanism

[Spiffeh]

@Frogger I am hand waving it

A lot of the things you put in there I'd have to check for myself and I don't feel like doing that right now.

You are welcome to continue pushing Yuri. Competing wagons are extremely helpful early on, especially when one of wagons is on scum. I want people to acknowledge that I am fairly certain that several posts from beeboy would definitely not come from town!him.

So yeah maybe I'll type up a "proper" response to your case later.

[Lil Uzi Vert]

Uzi: Yeah, you said my reasoning for voting you was weak. Which could be fine. But then you have to go on 'oh, but I gave him an out and he didn't take it' when your out was me revealing my main. So of course I wouldn't take it.

It's not really that you didn't take it, it is more so that you didn't make any effort to address the concerns I had about you. You were so focused on me asking you to out you couldn't tune me out and just get back to resolving things with me or scum hunting. That's an issue.

[Vecna]

Ok time for my beautynap.

Goodnight

[Spiffeh]

To be fair, this is very much a towntell for Titus I think (at least something I know for sure she does as town)

Not acknowledging the arguments of others is a town tell for her?

Why couldn't she do this as scum?

[The DEO]

To be fair, this is very much a towntell for Titus I think (at least something I know for sure she does as town)

Not acknowledging the arguments of others is a town tell for her?

Why couldn't she do this as scum?

Why is this still a question? I was typing addressing your concerns as you typed that.

[Yuri]

1) When titus gets on Yuri about defending Vecna, Yuri goes "but frog did it too" (314) without even realizing I also defended drixx (256, 260, 264, 271) in the Vecna/Drixx thing. I took both sides at different time trying to sort shit out, but Yuri basically says why didn't you call out frog for defending Vecna, as a justification to why they did it. That's stuff scum does.

I didn't say it as a justification, because there was no problem with what I was doing (or what you were doing). I wanted to know where DEO saw the difference between you and I and what were doing.

2) I'm only going to use the self-meta thing as a small point, but his reaction in 442 to when I went "SPIFFEH " in 437 seemed really worried

How do you read annoyance as worry?

3) In 931 Yuri wants to placate Titus, and it appears he doesn't want to ruffle titus' feathers. It's super appeasing type stuff like scum not wanting to stand out. Yuri says in 940 that yes he is trying to placate Titus because Titus is probtown pushing them. However, later on in 1248 Yuri sorts Uzi as town and Yuri says he doesn't care about Uzi's push on him. It's a contradiction, so Yuri needs to explain why Titus push did matter but Uzi push didn't.

I don't know if you noticed how much Uzi's push bothered me. I overreacted, sure, but Uzi being totally unreasonable and aggravating/taunting about me outing my main doesn't make me want to work with him. It makes me want to ignore him. Titus also has a scumread on me, but she didn't piss me off and I like her. Plus, Titus can be a tunneler and it can cause problems sometimes. I don't know enough about Uzi to make a judgement on that.

5) Yuri says they have issues with A+N in 952 and when pressed on what the issue is by A+N in 953 it turns out that it's the same prior issue from 941 and 943. Reading those two posts, we see it's because Yuri doesn't like A+N is pressing Sondam about whether Sondam thought titus slipped or contradicted herself. That's perfectly legitimate reason to pressure Sondam, to find out if they meant contradict or slip (or both, as it turns out). Because contradict and slip can have different meanings. It's a bullshit issue to have with A+N. (to read more about it, read my 1275 which explains it better than I just did here)

I didn't like what I viewed as empty questions from Nebby.

4) My 1245 shows exactly ZERO scumhunting of Yuri's. All of a sudden Yuri drops a vote 3 posts later in 1248 on A+N, with no explanation. Finally the explanation comes in 1268 and it's a weak and shallow read that looks like it's just there to appear like scumhunting from Yuri.

Yeah, zero scumhunting in that timeframe because I woke up to Uzi's bullshit. No one can scumhunt in every series of posts. I'd already planned to vote Nebby, I got distracted. idk if you can tell how emotional I am in those posts you quoted but it looks obvious enough to me.

5) Yuri passes the buck on trying to read people on the Maxous wagon 1231 which I call out in 1264, and passes the buck again saying I should do the legwork in 1265. Why pass the buck back on to the person questioning you, which he did twice to two different people in those two posts.

I didn't say you should do the legwork. My point in saying you should go look at the wagon was that I had nothing to do with the wagon, and didn't see the value in examining it. So since asking me to do it was totally arbitrary, why don't you arbirtrarily go look at it? Only reason gerry asked me that question was because I asked about his maxous read so that would be clear. All I wanted was his Maxous read, but he wanted to know why people were pushing Maxous. So, since I was

not pushing Maxous

, I told him to ask people who were.

Are there any other issues?

[Spiffeh]

I understand your points about beeboy I'm just asking how long was that game you played with him.

And I said it was last year.

Why do you ask?

[Spiffeh]

To be fair, this is very much a towntell for Titus I think (at least something I know for sure she does as town)

Not acknowledging the arguments of others is a town tell for her?

Why couldn't she do this as scum?

Why is this still a question? I was typing addressing your concerns as you typed that.

Titus I get it, this isn't about you. I'm wondering why Vecna considers this a town tell of yours rather than something that you could do as either alignment.

[Lil Uzi Vert]

I understand your points about beeboy I'm just asking how long was that game you played with him.

And I said it was last year.

Why do you ask?

Just curious as to why you haven't asked him if it might've changed.