Civilization Mafia [GAME OVER]

[Yuri]

How does town have the thought that scum is saving a group for mislynches, but also want to flashwagon those same lurkers? How can the group contain possible scum and also mislynch bait to be used by scum?

[Akane and Nebby]

So I'm scum for wanting to pressure lurkers.
Or do you think I slipped that they're town.
Because if so, here, have a bloc of text explaining why you're scum:
BaeReed was once told something by someone he respected along the lines of

I will ALWAYS make the point that pushing on fake slips is a scumtell, in every single game I ever play. Because it's been a very reliable tell for me. I'll let you in on a couple of my other tricks as well; being "excited" about the game when the general mood is depressed or uninterested to the point of wanting to abandon is a scumtell. Claiming an investigative PR and making a lot of content about who you're going to check the following night (especially framing it as an fos ie "For that I'm going to check YOU tonight") is a scumtell. Jumping on people for too quickly commenting on a nightkill is a scumtell. These are all things I will pretty much always points out when they happen, regardless of my alignment.

Scum love having a "justified" vote. Instinctively, they look for a vote where they can lean back on a "factual" basis. A "slip" is a perfect example. When you push on a slip, you're no longer making your own read, you're just saying A therefore B. There is no read, you're presenting it as a fact. And when the person you push flips town, you don't have to defend your "read" being wrong, you can just use that justification you built as a scape-goat. It's what scum subconsciously do ALL THE TIME. Yes, sometimes town will mistakenly think they've found a scumslip. Players like Mathblade are notorious for that kind of play. But as a general rule it's a scum tactic.

-Nebby

[Nahdia]

Lynch Vote 1.16

Yuri (5):

Lil Uzi Vert, The DEO, Akane and Nebby, Vecna, Fro99er

beeboy (4):

ssbm_Kyouko, PeregrineV, Spiffeh, Creature

Akane and Nebby (4):

Yuri, Maxous, beeboy, Nero Cain

NoticeMeSenpai (1):

Elbirn

The DEO (1):

Sondam

Fro99er (1):

Leonshade

Sondam (1):

Drixx

Not Voting (4):

Caesar Wills It, ooba, NoticeMeSenpai, Albert B. Rampage

With 21 players alive, it takes 11 to to lynch.
Lynch deadline is in (expired on 2017-02-21 10:05:30), at which point we will default to no lynch.

[Yuri]

....Bruh this is hilarious you were literally pushing a Jaereedhydra lynch on the basis that they slipped

[Akane and Nebby]

At this point you're just going by Conf Bias Yuri because you're caught scum.
-Nebby

[Akane and Nebby]

So you think I'm stupid enough to use one of my own scumtells against myself?
Really?
-Nebby

[Yuri]

So I'm scum for wanting to pressure lurkers.
Or do you think I slipped that they're town.

Fucking.... NO. You didn't slip that they're town, you said you thought scum was saving them for mislynches. Meaning, you thought they were town and scum was avoiding discussion of them. But also wanted to flashwagon them. So you wanted to flashwagon lurking town to force scum to discuss them, maybe? Sure, but that isn't what you said or have been saying.

[Spiffeh]

@ssbm_Kyouko who are your scum reads at this moment?

[Yuri]

So you think I'm stupid enough to use one of my own scumtells against myself?
Really?
-Nebby

If you're gonna explain to caught scum why they're scum, then the caught scum will throw your own tell back in your face, totally.

[Akane and Nebby]

And my push on the BaeReed hydra was in my head (Let's push a "slip" something to see if I can catch oppertunistic scum).
I had a townread on BaeReed by the time I went to sleep

-Nebby

[Yuri]

Forgot to talk about this: Problem I have with Frog rn is the willingness to jump on the beeboy wagon on the basis of Spiff's meta and not much else. Goes back to me when I get heat again.

[Yuri]

And my push on the BaeReed hydra was in my head (Let's push a "slip" something to see if I can catch oppertunistic scum).
I had a townread on BaeReed by the time I went to sleep

-Nebby

And you're expecting me to know this... how?

[Akane and Nebby]

And no.
I want lurkers.
To stop lurking.
And parttake in the discussion.
And not lurk.

I never said they were town.
Or scum.
They are NULL

-Nebby

pedit: No one did besides my hydra partner.

[Akane and Nebby]

It's like you need every little thing spelled out for you.
-Nebby

[Yuri]

How does that fit with the thought that scum were avoiding discussion of the lurkers?

[Lil Uzi Vert]

Forgot to talk about this: Problem I have with Frog rn is the willingness to jump on the beeboy wagon on the basis of Spiff's meta and not much else. Goes back to me when I get heat again.

I'll wait for Frog's analysis. He did say he would quote specific posts from that game to explain why he agrees with Spiff.

Could you talk about why you were getting on Frog for self meta earlier?

[Akane and Nebby]

It fits because that's what good scumplay looks like?
-Nebby

[Akane and Nebby]

I don't see the scum motivation behind flashwagoning lurkers to get them to talk and say words.
-Nebby

[Yuri]

Could you talk about why you were getting on Frog for self meta earlier?

I don't mind self-meta. I did explain this earlier, but my problem was Frog apparently bringing up self-meta to a player he didn't know, in response to me calling him scummy. It didn't make sense, because of course I wouldn't know his meta. So saying 'you're reading me wrong, this is obvtown-me' was a weird thing to say in response to me and didn't feel real at all.

[Yuri]

It fits because that's what good scumplay looks like?
-Nebby

I don't see the scum motivation behind flashwagoning lurkers to get them to talk and say words.
-Nebby

These two thoughts are fine independently. I just don't see how they both occurred to you in the same thought, connected to each other. You can't watch to lynch lurkers you also think scum will have set up as mislynch targets.

If your goal is to get them to talk, just say that. Like you've now made clear here, but definitely did not before.

[Akane and Nebby]

I thought it was obvious.
-Nebby

[Yuri]

The original post did not include that at all, and when you responded saying you wanted to get them to talk, it didn't look like that. Mainly because you

said

"I said I wanted to get them to talk", when the post in question said quite plainly "I want to flashwagon them".

[Akane and Nebby]

Now you're argueing semantics instead of intent or faith or any of that.
It's cute.
-Nebby

[Yuri]

Im explaining why it wasn't obvious to me, i already said i know your intent now

[Lil Uzi Vert]

Could you talk about why you were getting on Frog for self meta earlier?

I don't mind self-meta. I did explain this earlier, but my problem was Frog apparently bringing up self-meta to a player he didn't know, in response to me calling him scummy. It didn't make sense, because of course I wouldn't know his meta. So saying 'you're reading me wrong, this is obvtown-me' was a weird thing to say in response to me and didn't feel real at all.

I agree to an extent but the problem was your overreaction to it even for it being weird. I remember you called him slimy and even said that you hated him because he wasn't going to tell you that it was one of his reaction tests until post game. It still feels like you're scum who wanted to lash out and push something that's ultimately NAI.