Civilization Mafia [GAME OVER]

[NoticeMeSenpai]

Not caught up yet. Read up to about page 70.

Quick points:
A&N is obvtown. Stop it.
LUV, if I made consistent notes all the way through while I was catching up I literally would never have caught up with the rate you guys were churning out pages.
Vecna saying I avoided the thread after he voted me or some shit is an actual lie. It was a full hour of nothing from it since my last post and I had to have dinner and go to bed at some stage. And of course I'd have to iso it to find the posts that pinged me when it asked me to quote them. That argument would hold more weight if it didn't happen in a fucking fluid conversation where I was responding to things as I got them.
Frogger trying to set me up as mafia if it's multiball based off one comment that quite literally was just me not reading something properly makes me really uneasy.

VOTE: Vecna

I'm having a lot of trouble here because on the one hand some of its content is actually pretty solid, and on the other some is just super fucking slimey, like trying to tie me to Yuri because of the way Yuri was defending me despite the fact that Yuri has defended and attempted to buddy

a lot

of people this game. It really feels like it knows Yuri will flip scum and is trying to set up a mislynch on me. I feel like it's approaching the game from a set stances mindset.

Yuri: I'm not a fan of the buddying and whiteknighting, which I know is ironic coming from me. That said I don't feel like the emotional response to LUV's push to reveal their main was fake.
beeboy: I feel like the majority of your scumreads are lynchbait and you're usually better than that. That said, disagree with Spiffeh on the meta case. My meta on beeboy is the opposite way around, and more recent. He seems to have been largely disengaged with his games in general (at least roughly 6 months back).
LUV: I thought he was lock town with the way he was being a douche to Yuri and trying to get the main outed so he could talk about his read there, because it's something that is actually below the belt to do as scum. The fact that he later claims the whole push there was fake and he didn't actually know Yuri to begin with has me unsure what to think on it overall other than it being flat douchey tbh. That said, I think his push on me is more misguided than scummy.
Sondam: I think I can sort them given time, but I do need gerry to back up a bit on The DEO because I also think I can sort them given some time and interactions with both heads.

[Fro99er]

VOTE: Maxous

Vote Yuri

WTF is this crap Vecna

[Vecna]

Vecna-reads

Towneads that I feel are almost certainly not faking it up:
LUV, PeregrineV,

Strong townreads of which I still feel could be faking it and be scum:
A&N, Frogger, DEO, Elbirn, Spiffeh

Group of nulls - im suspicious of anyone having strong townreads within this group
Leonshade, Creature, Ceasar, Sondam

The suspicious but not quite scumread group:
Albert, Maxous, Beeboy, Drixx, Ssbm, Ooba, Nero

Scumreads, would love to lynch:
NoticeMeSenpai, Yuri

Barring unforeseen devellopements, im gonna say now ill only want to lynch in the last 2 at this stage. Feel free to ask me for reasoning if you feel so inclined.

VOTE: NoticeMeSenpai

[The DEO]

Or maybe

Just maybe

I view other people as scum being overlooked and want them to be pressured?

Attack the points I'm making if you think I'm making other counter wagons just to save Yuri, don't just discredit everything I do with that stupid assumption.

That's shit play

We aren't going to catch all scum D1. A common distancing tactic is yes, they are scum but let's get more pressure or lynch town. We have a large town block divided.

Voting the largest wagon you scumread bring consensus and forces scum to take a stand rather than playing to individual egos. Scum lack an escape hatch.

[Fro99er]

Yuri: I'm not a fan of the buddying and whiteknighting, which I know is ironic coming from me. That said I don't feel like the emotional response to LUV's push to reveal their main was fake.

How is that even alignment indicative?

If I had an alt (I don't), I'd get pissed if someone wanted me to reveal it as well, independent of if I was town or scum.

[Maxous]

Drixx is one of the last people I would want to have as a treestump given his activity in this game so far.

Bullying others who may have wanted that role out of it is ridiculous given what Drixx has provided.

Meh fine, it's probably over-aggressive.

[Nahdia]

Lynch Vote 1.21

Yuri (4):

Lil Uzi Vert, The DEO, Fro99er, Akane and Nebby

Akane and Nebby (4):

Yuri, beeboy, Nero Cain, Albert B. Rampage

beeboy (3):

ssbm_Kyouko, PeregrineV, Creature

ssbm_Kyouko (2):

Maxous, Spiffeh

Vecna (2):

Caesar Wills It, NoticeMeSenpai

NoticeMeSenpai (1):

Vecna

The DEO (1):

Sondam

Fro99er (1):

Leonshade

Sondam (1):

Drixx

Not Voting (2):

ooba, Elbirn

With 21 players alive, it takes 11 to to lynch.
Lynch deadline is in (expired on 2017-02-21 10:05:30), at which point we will default to no lynch.

[Fro99er]

Frogger trying to set me up as mafia if it's multiball based off one comment that quite literally was just me not reading something properly makes me really uneasy.

No, that was me saying it's quite possible you're town not slipping when everyone else was scumreading you for the slip.

Is your only read of me based off that?

[The DEO]

@Uzi, suppose JaeReed did make an impossible mistake, what is their alignment?

@Math, What is JaeReed's alignment if they did not make a mistake?

Titus that is what I am arguing. I am saying there is no proof of him seeing the text. So there is no "slip" or "mistake" and it is NAI. I also said I think JaeReed is town.

~~Math

[The DEO]

Not caught up yet. Read up to about page 70.

Quick points:
A&N is obvtown. Stop it.
LUV, if I made consistent notes all the way through while I was catching up I literally would never have caught up with the rate you guys were churning out pages.
Vecna saying I avoided the thread after he voted me or some shit is an actual lie. It was a full hour of nothing from it since my last post and I had to have dinner and go to bed at some stage. And of course I'd have to iso it to find the posts that pinged me when it asked me to quote them. That argument would hold more weight if it didn't happen in a fucking fluid conversation where I was responding to things as I got them.
Frogger trying to set me up as mafia if it's multiball based off one comment that quite literally was just me not reading something properly makes me really uneasy.

VOTE: Vecna

I'm having a lot of trouble here because on the one hand some of its content is actually pretty solid, and on the other some is just super fucking slimey, like trying to tie me to Yuri because of the way Yuri was defending me despite the fact that Yuri has defended and attempted to buddy

a lot

of people this game. It really feels like it knows Yuri will flip scum and is trying to set up a mislynch on me. I feel like it's approaching the game from a set stances mindset.

Yuri: I'm not a fan of the buddying and whiteknighting, which I know is ironic coming from me. That said I don't feel like the emotional response to LUV's push to reveal their main was fake.
beeboy: I feel like the majority of your scumreads are lynchbait and you're usually better than that. That said, disagree with Spiffeh on the meta case. My meta on beeboy is the opposite way around, and more recent. He seems to have been largely disengaged with his games in general (at least roughly 6 months back).
LUV: I thought he was lock town with the way he was being a douche to Yuri and trying to get the main outed so he could talk about his read there, because it's something that is actually below the belt to do as scum. The fact that he later claims the whole push there was fake and he didn't actually know Yuri to begin with has me unsure what to think on it overall other than it being flat douchey tbh. That said, I think his push on me is more misguided than scummy.
Sondam: I think I can sort them given time, but I do need gerry to back up a bit on The DEO because I also think I can sort them given some time and interactions with both heads.

Vote Yuri.

Vecna is off the table.

[Lil Uzi Vert]

No because there is nothing unclear about who can only benefit from the Wonder. Non-town is either a scum faction or a third-party one. There is no reason for town to want to discuss day chat, especially in private.

A masonry popping up later is a possibility.

I agree, it's an issue.

Yet, I struggle to see the scum motivation in what you're arguing. I find it more likely JaeReed mafe a stupid error and got hostile in an unwarranted manner after being called out.

Without the scum motivation, I cannot get there. Try an angle without the slip please.

They tried to dumb tell.

[Lil Uzi Vert]

@Uzi, suppose JaeReed did make an impossible mistake, what is their alignment?

@Math, What is JaeReed's alignment if they did not make a mistake?

Null.

[The DEO]

@Uzi, suppose JaeReed did make an impossible mistake, what is their alignment?

@Math, What is JaeReed's alignment if they did not make a mistake?

Titus that is what I am arguing. I am saying there is no proof of him seeing the text. So there is no "slip" or "mistake" and it is NAI. I also said I think JaeReed is town.

~~Math

It's a one word answer.

If JaeReed did

not

make a mistake, what is their alignment?

[Lil Uzi Vert]

But there is no way they didn't see and the fact that they are trying to pass it off as such is ridiculous.

[The DEO]

@Uzi, suppose JaeReed did make an impossible mistake, what is their alignment?

@Math, What is JaeReed's alignment if they did not make a mistake?

Null.

Great, notice is here. I will back off and let you two engage Notice.

[Spiffeh]

The DEO Can you guys talk to each other outside of the thread please

This game is long enough already

[NoticeMeSenpai]

Also since this whole stupid day chat wonder talk is going on still...

mastina has pointed out to me that with the way the draft works this game is very unlikely to have started with masons since we're literally all choosing our roles as the game progresses. Alisae put me in a really uncomfortable position when they asked me if I was interested in building it because I thought it would be denying I was a mason to say I wasn't, and possibly narrowing down the pool for scum if we did have masons. I figured they might work like Trials (another game Nahdia modded) with being a passive ability assigned to slots but with the addition of being able to build wonders that doesn't work from a setup spec standpoint.

[Vecna]

VOTE: Maxous

Vote Yuri

WTF is this crap Vecna

I was driving a point home about about my displeasement with his conduct in regard to Drixx and the treestump thing, as much shouldve been rather obvious dont you think?

[The DEO]

The DEO Can you guys talk to each other outside of the thread please

This game is long enough already

Can you stop opposing what we need?

I am trying to actually get in sync with Math, and this is how I have to do it.

You should stop making shit counters to a scumread.

~Titus

[Spiffeh]

This is why hydrae need to not be a thing

[The DEO]

This is why hydrae need to not be a thing

No. You need to not be a thing. I have been in control of 90+ percent of our votes and objectives.

You are just being anti-town and searching for reasons to prolong this day and not cooperate despite me cooperating with you at every turn and gagging Math to ensure the best odds of a scum lynch.

Now, either vote Yuri, defend, Yuri or shut the front door and figure out what you want. You're the slot acting with dual objectives.

[Lil Uzi Vert]

@Notice: Would you believe me if I was in your position?

[Lil Uzi Vert]

Or we could just lynch Spiffy.

[NoticeMeSenpai]

Yuri: I'm not a fan of the buddying and whiteknighting, which I know is ironic coming from me. That said I don't feel like the emotional response to LUV's push to reveal their main was fake.

How is that even alignment indicative?

If I had an alt (I don't), I'd get pissed if someone wanted me to reveal it as well, independent of if I was town or scum.

I didn't explicitly say it was AI. Did imply I was thinking about it possibly being townie so eh. Anyway, I generally find scum have a harder time faking emotional responses to things. I felt like Yuri was genuinely upset there, regardless of alignment it was really uncomfortable to read tbh.

Your point is noted.

Frogger trying to set me up as mafia if it's multiball based off one comment that quite literally was just me not reading something properly makes me really uneasy.

No, that was me saying it's quite possible you're town not slipping when everyone else was scumreading you for the slip.

Is your only read of me based off that?

No, I was just bringing up something I remembered off the top of my head from when I started trying to catch up in reading last night. I have mixed feelings on you, and I'm not fully caught up.

[The DEO]

Or we could just lynch Spiffy.

I want to force Spiffeh's hand in case he's proud town.