Ok first things first. I think Math's reads are wrong, but I don't presume their thinking is. That doesn't make sense to a lot of you, but I'll explain. I think Math is 100% right when they say that Vecna/Uzi/Frogger are teamed, just on the town team, not the scum one. Math is horrendous at determining town synergy unless that synergy goes with what they want. This is why I've been handling Math in the way that I have been, trying to show their reads are off but not their process in identifying teams. They aren't great at determining the gamestate and determining when to work with others and stick to their number one scumread. They are still decent at this game, if they get out of their own way. Math's issue is not one of observance, it's one of conclusions and teamwork. They've been run down by others so long that they justify it by saying my compromises are always on town and I always force others to join my way. This is the mindset I am trying to break, gradually over time. No amount of bullying will do that. No amount of telling Math will convince them they are wrong on Vecna and no amount of its popular, your townreads view it like this, you should reconsider will either. I had many similar issues until I started hydraing with people who used more rthyhm and motion to get people lynched rather than outright cases. These tools are what help distinguish town partners from scum partners, and town reluctance from scum reluctance to join a wagon. I'm not a master at these tools yet however, but I hope to get better with every game. I will have a section on me at the end of the summary.
Science versus Arts is a debate over personalities (given the unknown states). Science, Arts and None are just the tools players use to solve the game rather than actually alignment indicative on an individual level. Each player will have personal preferences. Scum will want to have felt each other out and get to know each others playstyles if they did not already.
I have a few red flags based on the votes in this resolution. The first is on our boy ABR. ABR is not above strongarming and strongmanning actions, particularly in games with limited votes and hoods. His first post says he's a romanticist at heart. Pardon me but who cares? Wouldn't that logically lead to a vote in the arts, but no ABR jumps on nothing, which is the largest wagon. He's not pushing to mold the gamestate to his will at all. What helps ABR scumhunt? He cannot kill me yet, so you can make a theoretical argument that ABR is just being an asshole opposing what we want. No one knows what ABR wants, but definitely not the current town dynamic that is happening at this current point.
ABR is more anti-science and anti-us than pro himself. He doesn't mention once what he wants, yet he is very clearly planting doubts against me and math. He has a lack of activity that is technically null for him.
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Spiffeh and MariaR head wanting none makes sense after The Thing mafia, regardless of alignment. Yet the discrediting energy in the MariaR hydra is wierd. They objected calling our statements being pro-science as a lack of a case as just awkward as crap. Anyone who knows anything about me, knows I'm a planner to the nth degree and I even view aww fuck it as a plan. Math wants to know what is special about these discredits. These are geared towards denying us the tools we want to be our best, as a specific slot rather than LUV and Spiffeh fearing the game as a whole. In a Drixx town universe, scum would fight tooth and nail to rush that through. The language here is more of a concern. Spiffeh becomes a huge hypocrite on this later, and in multiple ways. He rushes when his argument is the popular one of the day, but slows down when it isn't.
Drixx makes a play for the Pyramids here. It's a plan that's no win for scum in the endgame most likely, as we don't know what roles were in play. The amount of Drixx gambles would have to be made here is insane. The logical push to have me go for Pyramids by PeregrineV shook me as off. Why did PeregrineV expect me to go against my biggest townread? Yet, why didn't PeregrineV push back against me not wanting to be the stump myself and ensure that I could do my VCA I believe in. The fact NO ONE brought this as a point against us is rather surprising. This is one of those things I comment on when I'm looking at what is missing. It suggests either a) I'm not living to use my VCA, b) scum have a game for my VCA, c) they didn't think of it and thought shading Drixx was just a better play, or d) This is a wierd as fuck play that they have in mind which makes less sense than putting grey goose on my favorite red scum stomping heels.
There's been a lot of blowback against the town core that has been forming, and again that's from ABR. He vaguely says 793 that the townblock of "Spif, Deo, Elbrin, Vecna, Uzi, and Frogger" would endgame A and N hydra. He's radio silent until he later votes A and N. (I'll get more onto that wagon longer.) Yet, by now all the names in this town block are nearly hard townreading each other. Where's ABR yelling I'm an idiot? I gave him an open invitation to do that yelling and nothing...
Maxous is the first major wagon of the game. Yet, what's missing here; a dueling wagon. I'm pushing on MariaR for essentially shading everyone in the game.
NoticemeSenpai and MariaR hydra that starts with S are the first two major dueling wagons. Elbrin jumps on the opposite wagon, based on this slip argument that occurs repeatedly. Math and I agree that the slip argument isn't really great but for totally different reasons. I'm not thrilled with this reasoning. Yet, I'm going to run with it to explain a point for a moment. If a scum player was desperate enough to fake a slip, then we're that much closer and we should be doubling down on the townblock as it is. If Yuri flips scum, and Notice is scum, lynch the ever loving fuck out of ABR. The inconsistence babbling of being against the townblock, with a scum desperate enough to fake being in the townblock is pretty indicative that scum need to do something against a town organically recognizing each other.
What looks to be more likely though, is these are T v S or T v T with Sodham being the S. Elbrin's vote on Notice particular doesn't do it for me. Elbrin's all about supporting my pushes, yet there's little effort to ensure we're on the same wagon. He's raved about my abilities in Sudoken mafia, and that he's glad we're town, but he's not reaching out to me on an intellectual level. I have dropped him out of my townblock for this reason. I need to speak to town Elbrin. I don't think they are necessarily scum, but I need to talk with them. Not sure if it's game size or scum though.
Sodham themselves gave evidence they weren't scum, although they were not planning on it. The vote counts don't support a theory that they are scum. The counterwagon that came up to this battle were Yuri and Beeboy, who both have negative points to them in some respects. While I am of the opinion that beeboy is town, I don't particularly feel great about it. (I feel like crap wherever I place beeboy. Ask me tomorrow, and I might think beeboy scum. He's just rather low on my priority list.)
The Yuri wagon, without beeboy was countered by this garbage A and N counter. The point at its counter reaches its highest, beeboy was dismantling. That strongly suggests beeboy was the town wagon that formed organically to the Yuri wagon. Is this right? Not necessarily. I'm doing VCA without flips there. Confirmation bias is a valid criticism to levy at this, yet I'm highlighting what I see.
If Yuri, beeboy, and A and N are town and we are chasing our tails, we should be finding scum on the middle of the wagons rather than promoting any particular wagon at this point. Lynching Caesar and Notice moves up in priority.
Speaking of that Caesar dude, the hydra name thing is a total stall tactic. It's annoying and rope worthy or longer. Directly refusing to comment on wagons plus awkward speech plus a total lack of evidence for Vecna scum, excuse me but my side eye just ran out of Bernie power.
Speaking of side eyes, Nero Cain isn't giving his reads or stance yet. He doesn't have to do what I'm doing or what Math is (we're writing these at the same time), but a simple read wall and discussion of possibilities so people can peg him down to a position is good.
I haven't said much about Leonshade and SSM. They've been here, just not at the same time as me. Sitting down on the couch of Titus is a high priority for me.
PeregrineV has just always had an excuse for being anti-town and even now is feeling out the A and N wagon to see if he can hammer that.
If Yuri flips scum
If I die and you think it's because of my play, lynch Caesar, ABR, Nero. Sort Spiffeh immediately (and if he winds up lynched, be damn sure it's right because he's good with different skills that will be hard to explain or replicate, but at the same time not crying if a mistake is made given off games). Elbrin sorting after that. Get Ooba's replacement to talk.
Good luck. Do not turn on each other. Harvest my iron stomach if you need to. I love all of you and each of you have a special set of skills.
Do not lynch
Drixx, Vecna, Lil Uzi Vert, Frogger, A and N, Maxous, Creature, beeboy (wagon counter protection for the day), Leonshade
Sort
Spiffeh, Elbrin
Laser focus Squinty eyes
Caesar, Sodham (especially after last vote), Ooba, PV, Nero
Lynch and I smile
ABR
Everyone else I feel is town more likely than not. Do hear Uzi/Elbrin out on Notice. We're seeing the same facts but drawing different conclusions and Yuri rushing to link to every wagon is problematic for sorting which of us is correct.
