Civilization Mafia [GAME OVER]

[PeregrineV]

I also have an extremely hard time seeing how it's not Vecna/LUV/Frogger/Spiffeh/Yuri.

Literally never post again

I'm being polite- you should be too.

[MariaR]

I also have an extremely hard time seeing how it's not Vecna/LUV/Frogger/Spiffeh/Yuri.

Literally never post again

I'm being polite- you should be too.

oh grow a pair and say something mean pere come on you can do it free shot

[Sondam]

I also have an extremely hard time seeing how it's not Vecna/LUV/Frogger/Spiffeh/Yuri.

Literally never post again

I'm being polite- you should be too.

oh grow a pair and say something mean pere come on you can do it free shot

[PeregrineV]

Why do people SR me again?

-Nebby

Because you ask this question when it doesn't seem relevant?

[The DEO]

I also have an extremely hard time seeing how it's not Vecna/LUV/Frogger/Spiffeh/Yuri.

Literally never post again

I'm being polite- you should be too.

oh grow a pair and say something mean pere come on you can do it free shot

This is the type of post I struggle with and irks me out on both you AND PV.

Math has unconventional reads and thinking but what does beating on them accomplish? This looks like you and PerV doing good cop bad cop.

To your wall post.

[Sondam]

I also have an extremely hard time seeing how it's not Vecna/LUV/Frogger/Spiffeh/Yuri.

Literally never post again

I'm being polite- you should be too.

oh grow a pair and say something mean pere come on you can do it free shot

This is the type of post I struggle with and irks me out on both you AND PV.

Math has unconventional reads and thinking but what does beating on them accomplish? This looks like you and PerV doing good cop bad cop.

To your wall post.

I didn't know I was addressing anything in that post what do you think I am? He just said he was being polite so I told him to be mean a bit I didn't know it was some form of attack?

[PeregrineV]

I also have an extremely hard time seeing how it's not Vecna/LUV/Frogger/Spiffeh/Yuri.

Literally never post again

I'm being polite- you should be too.

oh grow a pair and say something mean pere come on you can do it free shot

No. I think making associative relationships between players of unknown alignments is disingenuous bordering on scummy, but I'm pretty sure I've said that before.

And that's not even at you, just in general.

[The DEO]

I know you do plan and data that's your thing when I said "oh that's not a case haha" It was more me saying it was weak it wasn't trying to discredit that you made it it just was weak to me does that mean I'm shading you? That's not what my goal was I also don't mind people disagreeing with things I do that's how you get talk going I also sometimes don't mind people scumreading me aslong as there logic to me makes sense and I can be like "Oh I see what you mean with this" but the way you seem to be scumreading me is baffling to me because what you point out as "shade" in my eyes is me just playing the game
Are you asking me to look for people that are buddying or me buddying people?
~Maria

Disagreeing is one thing. I disagreed with you and Spiffeh on the method, but I never accused you of being fake. The weak case thing was a dig at me. I wasn't about to put myself above the rest of town given the chouce was preference. You laughing at my efforts just felt like a dig. Combine that with random SRs that go nowhere...it suggests your motivation is to shade town, not find scum. I am giving you a chance to resolve those. Follow through. Sort. Don't just say this is bad. Put it together.

I want you to look for people buddying you.

[PeregrineV]

I also have an extremely hard time seeing how it's not Vecna/LUV/Frogger/Spiffeh/Yuri.

Literally never post again

I'm being polite- you should be too.

oh grow a pair and say something mean pere come on you can do it free shot

This is the type of post I struggle with and irks me out on both you AND PV.

Math has unconventional reads and thinking but what does beating on them accomplish? This looks like you and PerV doing good cop bad cop.

To your wall post.

I said I was being polite. I think we would all prefer it at this point in time.

[PeregrineV]

I know you do plan and data that's your thing when I said "oh that's not a case haha" It was more me saying it was weak it wasn't trying to discredit that you made it it just was weak to me does that mean I'm shading you? That's not what my goal was I also don't mind people disagreeing with things I do that's how you get talk going I also sometimes don't mind people scumreading me aslong as there logic to me makes sense and I can be like "Oh I see what you mean with this" but the way you seem to be scumreading me is baffling to me because what you point out as "shade" in my eyes is me just playing the game
Are you asking me to look for people that are buddying or me buddying people?
~Maria

Disagreeing is one thing. I disagreed with you and Spiffeh on the method, but I never accused you of being fake. The weak case thing was a dig at me. I wasn't about to put myself above the rest of town given the chouce was preference. You laughing at my efforts just felt like a dig. Combine that with random SRs that go nowhere...it suggests your motivation is to shade town, not find scum. I am giving you a chance to resolve those. Follow through. Sort. Don't just say this is bad. Put it together.

I want you to look for people buddying you.

Can town buddy town?

[The DEO]

I also have an extremely hard time seeing how it's not Vecna/LUV/Frogger/Spiffeh/Yuri.

Literally never post again

I'm being polite- you should be too.

oh grow a pair and say something mean pere come on you can do it free shot

This is the type of post I struggle with and irks me out on both you AND PV.

Math has unconventional reads and thinking but what does beating on them accomplish? This looks like you and PerV doing good cop bad cop.

To your wall post.

I didn't know I was addressing anything in that post what do you think I am? He just said he was being polite so I told him to be mean a bit I didn't know it was some form of attack?

Read the context. Try again.

PV has nothing nice to say about Math. (Trying to play nice guy angle and build town cred). You are encouraging him to Anger Math, which would make them a bigger distraction and do nothing useful.

[The DEO]

I know you do plan and data that's your thing when I said "oh that's not a case haha" It was more me saying it was weak it wasn't trying to discredit that you made it it just was weak to me does that mean I'm shading you? That's not what my goal was I also don't mind people disagreeing with things I do that's how you get talk going I also sometimes don't mind people scumreading me aslong as there logic to me makes sense and I can be like "Oh I see what you mean with this" but the way you seem to be scumreading me is baffling to me because what you point out as "shade" in my eyes is me just playing the game
Are you asking me to look for people that are buddying or me buddying people?
~Maria

Disagreeing is one thing. I disagreed with you and Spiffeh on the method, but I never accused you of being fake. The weak case thing was a dig at me. I wasn't about to put myself above the rest of town given the chouce was preference. You laughing at my efforts just felt like a dig. Combine that with random SRs that go nowhere...it suggests your motivation is to shade town, not find scum. I am giving you a chance to resolve those. Follow through. Sort. Don't just say this is bad. Put it together.

I want you to look for people buddying you.

Can town buddy town?

Yes. First step is documenting. Then look at why.

Math has trouble distinguishing town buddying from scum buddying, so frequently SRs townblocks.

[Fro99er]

I don't bias read in the first place I take offense to that statement.
Can you quote the case please
~Maria

Here you go

Also why do you scumread Elbrin and Drixx?
-Nebby

pedit: I just wanna hear what they have to say! Gawd.

Mkay thanks for talkin to me
-Nebby

Bad tone. And wanted to talk about the scumread on them, but there's no followup. Just 'thanks for talking to me'.

I'm excited!

and naaaaah, I don't care about the omgus. It's cute that you decided to target my weakest point tho.
What I do care about is you originally calling The DEO's a contradiction then calling it a slip. Because THAT is a contradiction. (Refering to 891 and 899)

-Nebby

More bad tone, trying to brush off the scumread. Not going to get into the differing definitions of slip and contradiction.

I'm literally in a convo with you rn about an issue, why are all your questions like this

Oh I thought you had OTHER concerns that actually involved you reading my ISO instead of misreping and discreditting all of my questions.

-Nebby

Is concerned with how I might be viewing their ISO. Expects me, their scumread, to apparently have a lot of good points relating to their ISO. Like they expect there to be something there, and are ignoring that we are currently in talks about an issue I have with their slot.

[Sondam]

I was telling him to take a free shot at me I thought that was clear I thought was being nice because he just had to be to I thought him letting out an angergy comment at me would do some good. But I guess the context was wrong?
The scumreads me and Gerry make aren't random to us we come from a site where it's basically 20 minute games and it's all in real time so we go fast we say "____" is scum because this line is bad and so is this one and it works it's how we play and that's how we did it on forum games aswell so it's hard to adjust to a whole new playstyle it doesn't seem like shading to us mostly just our normal self

Like I have a sr on Leon because the way he's acting from dota maf seems very dif and he doesn't seem to be helping what so ever and I think anyone who agreed with the townlbock from the people I listed need a check after what happened with the thing and wwe smackdown you should know better is that what you're asking?

The only people I see who buddy me slightly are Veca and Micky
~Maria

[Sondam]

I 100% love to buddy people I enjoy playing with and then I find out what they are as the game goes by I much rather talk to people I sr over people I tr though just so I can understand the way they think
~Maria

[Yuri]

Aight busy today but u have me for a coupla hours

Part of me hopes Yuri flips town so MathBlade gets a reality check

This works just as well with the story though, probably even better.

Im discarding a lot of my TRs that im no longer happy w the reasoning for bc i have far too many.
Bc this is really Vecna bein scared of math's read after my townflip
Like full stop

Second i doubt spiff is scum, that isnt how scum approaches a town wagon at all, none of it. unless the frog flips scum and gives me a reason to think scum theatre, spiff is town for everythin about his progression pn my wagon

also jaereed hydra is town. post about vecnas thought that jaereed and i are buddies contains paranoia abt me being scum and this making jaereed look bad. im not talking about overt paranoia but what i got from reading in between the lines
scum jae would know im flipping town and would still address the case, but not with that feeling im getting from them that they believe ill flip scum w vecna

[Sondam]

One thing I notice with this site is
If something is "unknown" or "not normal" or "hard to understand" more times then not it just auto is found scummy by people and that confuses me
~Maria

[Yuri]

dont rly have much to say about uzi's case, like i hate all my early reads too. i DID respond to froggers case point by point but literally no one brought that up so w/e

feels like my wagon is scum Vecna and everything else is town. scum hoping for a town-lead wagon w a lot of players on it who are null-reading me or scumreading me only a little bit

frog is still probtown by this but i so dislike his constant 'notice isnt a viablw wagon' bull, though i think notice is town it also gives the impression that he wants me to be the only option for a wagon today

VOTE: Vecna

im unhappy w my SRs atm. still dislike akane and nebby and vecna, but the vecna thing is a rly bad feeling based on what i see as fear of my townflip.
really feeling as though most of the active players are town, and scum is in the quieter ones/lurkers, besides those ive mentioned. so w thaf in mind i guess i could do beeboy? im looking for something to be confident about but id also settle on someone who wasnt me/a strong TR

[The DEO]

MariaR, can you slow down, stop and do what I asked of you?

Assuming you play on shorter deadline sites, you naturally take the time to sort at night? Here, focusing on putting the puzzle together more needs to happen. Otherwise it reeks of shade.

Also look for buddying comments please.

~Titus

[Yuri]

Vecna: srsly how the heck do you bring up that thing w jaereed as a point? what exactly is strange about me remembering that nebby had pushed jaereed for the 'slip'? i was obvs paying attention to nebby, was SRing them, and when they said it was a tell they liked ofc i immediately made the connection to that whole slip argument earlier. how tf could you KNOW i wouldnt remember that?

[Creature]

Still thinks Yuri is scum?

[Sondam]

MariaR, can you slow down, stop and do what I asked of you?

Assuming you play on shorter deadline sites, you naturally take the time to sort at night? Here, focusing on putting the puzzle together more needs to happen. Otherwise it reeks of shade.

Also look for buddying comments please.

~Titus

Yes I can do that
No on my site night phase lasts 2 to 3 minutes if you're a cop you have that much time to look and see who want to invest if you're mafia y
ou have that much time to plan choose who you want to kill etc

It's all about looking at lines you feel are real and what are fake it's fast paced and you have to just go I never got the luxury of "sitting down and planning what I want to do from here" it was always GO GO GO GO
~Maria

Yuri isn't scum yuri has no reason to after Vecna of all people at this stage in the game a wagon that's clearly not gonna pick up

[Sondam]

I'll look later on at night along with Gerry but why do you want me to look for comments of people buddying me that seems really specific and strange of a request you must have some angle you're going for.
~Maria

[The DEO]

MariaR is obvTown Titus.
Notice how no one actually says how I am confbiased or what is wrong about it? If they are Town they have no interest in seeing me get better and if they are scum they only wish to discredit me. The only person I waver on is Vecna who doesn't believe me obviously but gave a damn to try.

Yuri is scum for pushing Vecna though as Yuri likes the discord between our heads.

~~Math

[The DEO]

MariaR, can you slow down, stop and do what I asked of you?

Assuming you play on shorter deadline sites, you naturally take the time to sort at night? Here, focusing on putting the puzzle together more needs to happen. Otherwise it reeks of shade.

Also look for buddying comments please.

~Titus

Yes I can do that
No on my site night phase lasts 2 to 3 minutes if you're a cop you have that much time to look and see who want to invest if you're mafia y
ou have that much time to plan choose who you want to kill etc

It's all about looking at lines you feel are real and what are fake it's fast paced and you have to just go I never got the luxury of "sitting down and planning what I want to do from here" it was always GO GO GO GO
~Maria

Yuri isn't scum yuri has no reason to after Vecna of all people at this stage in the game a wagon that's clearly not gonna pick up

Gut's a valuable skill, but it is not gelling with this group. This game, although fast paced, is not an arcade.

Yuri is just flailing associations for post flip imo and to keep Math paranoid.

I do have a point to have you document buddying. By looking at people buddying you, you'll be able to see town or scum versions of buddying in the future and assuming you town/scum, it will help narrow/test my theories of whom is scum.