Civilization Mafia [GAME OVER]

[The DEO]

MariaR is obvTown Titus.
Notice how no one actually says how I am confbiased or what is wrong about it? If they are Town they have no interest in seeing me get better and if they are scum they only wish to discredit me. The only person I waver on is Vecna who doesn't believe me obviously but gave a damn to try.

Yuri is scum for pushing Vecna though as Yuri likes the discord between our heads.

~~Math

We all know why you are confbiased Math. This is the tamest answer I predicted. No one is doubting the synergy or linking you are seeing. It is only the conclusion that people feel is out there. You see the pattern but are labeling the wrong team.

[The DEO]

dont rly have much to say about uzi's case, like i hate all my early reads too. i DID respond to froggers case point by point but literally no one brought that up so w/e

feels like my wagon is scum Vecna and everything else is town. scum hoping for a town-lead wagon w a lot of players on it who are null-reading me or scumreading me only a little bit

frog is still probtown by this but i so dislike his constant 'notice isnt a viablw wagon' bull, though i think notice is town it also gives the impression that he wants me to be the only option for a wagon today

VOTE: Vecna

im unhappy w my SRs atm. still dislike akane and nebby and vecna, but the vecna thing is a rly bad feeling based on what i see as fear of my townflip.
really feeling as though most of the active players are town, and scum is in the quieter ones/lurkers, besides those ive mentioned. so w thaf in mind i guess i could do beeboy? im looking for something to be confident about but id also settle on someone who wasnt me/a strong TR

Wooo hooo the switch Town with scum play from scum.
This pokes reeks of survival.
Paraphrase ahead (sarcastic)
Vecna might be waking up to his townblock has scums in it.
Let's get rid of him.
Wait I know that wagon won't take off better suggest someone else I would be willing to lynch. Who is Town being wagoned? Beeboy? Yes I could do Beeboy.
A&N is obvTown from the first post almost. This is an attack on town-block.
End paraphrase

Vecna I waffle on but that is only on these last few posts on paper he is still a top scumread if Yuri and Spiffeh are scums.

~~Math

[Lil Uzi Vert]

@Math: I try but you're so fixated it's hard to keep trying. I'm very patient but after a certain point I just opt to work around people.

[Elbirn]

@Math: I try but you're so fixated it's hard to keep trying. I'm very patient but after a certain point I just opt to work around people.

Uzi why aren't you voting for notice it's upsetting me

[The DEO]

MariaR is obvTown Titus.
Notice how no one actually says how I am confbiased or what is wrong about it? If they are Town they have no interest in seeing me get better and if they are scum they only wish to discredit me. The only person I waver on is Vecna who doesn't believe me obviously but gave a damn to try.

Yuri is scum for pushing Vecna though as Yuri likes the discord between our heads.

~~Math

We all know why you are confbiased Math. This is the tamest answer I predicted. No one is doubting the synergy or linking you are seeing. It is only the conclusion that people feel is out there. You see the pattern but are labeling the wrong team.

Lol no we don't or someone would tell me why I am. Instead we have games where I disagree on scum and I am either wildly right or wildly wrong. If it is obvious why I am conf bussing then Town would just tell me why.

And there is a 0% chance that that synergy is all town. Not fucking possible. If it is Vecna and LUV should hang up their town cards in shame for intentionally hampering the town with that none vote and ignoring most of the player base who hadn't posted yet.

~~Math

[Yuri]

Math you should be looking at Vecna after my flip too aight, if you discard the scumread bc i dont flip scum i will actually haunt you

[Elbirn]

Titusblade stop ignoring my love I said words to you

[PeregrineV]

I also have an extremely hard time seeing how it's not Vecna/LUV/Frogger/Spiffeh/Yuri.

Literally never post again

I'm being polite- you should be too.

oh grow a pair and say something mean pere come on you can do it free shot

This is the type of post I struggle with and irks me out on both you AND PV.

Math has unconventional reads and thinking but what does beating on them accomplish? This looks like you and PerV doing good cop bad cop.

To your wall post.

I didn't know I was addressing anything in that post what do you think I am? He just said he was being polite so I told him to be mean a bit I didn't know it was some form of attack?

Read the context. Try again.

PV has nothing nice to say about Math. (Trying to play nice guy angle and build town cred). You are encouraging him to Anger Math, which would make them a bigger distraction and do nothing useful.

Seriously? Where have I said anything not nice about Math? Or you, for that matter?

[Yuri]

Maria what about my Vecna vote makes u sure im town. what do you expect scum me to have done in this situation instead

[Sondam]

Maria what about my Vecna vote makes u sure im town. what do you expect scum me to have done in this situation instead

The vote doesn't feel survivalist like it feels like you really sr Vedna and want a wagon on him I feel like if you were scum you would've gone for a wagon that could've got you more traction like Luv Me Deo Notice etc

[PeregrineV]

I know you do plan and data that's your thing when I said "oh that's not a case haha" It was more me saying it was weak it wasn't trying to discredit that you made it it just was weak to me does that mean I'm shading you? That's not what my goal was I also don't mind people disagreeing with things I do that's how you get talk going I also sometimes don't mind people scumreading me aslong as there logic to me makes sense and I can be like "Oh I see what you mean with this" but the way you seem to be scumreading me is baffling to me because what you point out as "shade" in my eyes is me just playing the game
Are you asking me to look for people that are buddying or me buddying people?
~Maria

Disagreeing is one thing. I disagreed with you and Spiffeh on the method, but I never accused you of being fake. The weak case thing was a dig at me. I wasn't about to put myself above the rest of town given the chouce was preference. You laughing at my efforts just felt like a dig. Combine that with random SRs that go nowhere...it suggests your motivation is to shade town, not find scum. I am giving you a chance to resolve those. Follow through. Sort. Don't just say this is bad. Put it together.

I want you to look for people buddying you.

Can town buddy town?

Yes. First step is documenting. Then look at why.

Math has trouble distinguishing town buddying from scum buddying, so frequently SRs townblocks.

Why send Sondham to look for buddying in the resolution phase?

Do you identify any buddying of yourself (either you or Math) so far this game?

How do you determine if their motivation is town or scum in doing so?

[Yuri]

Vecna might be waking up to his townblock has scums in it.
Let's get rid of him.

wait wtf does this mean, how on earth are u reading this as scum me trying to mislynch vecna, isnt your whole thing that u think we're partners

[Lil Uzi Vert]

@Math: I try but you're so fixated it's hard to keep trying. I'm very patient but after a certain point I just opt to work around people.

Uzi why aren't you voting for notice it's upsetting me

It's not going to go through sadly because people think the slip was too sloppy

[The DEO]

@Math: I try but you're so fixated it's hard to keep trying. I'm very patient but after a certain point I just opt to work around people.

Uzi why aren't you voting for notice it's upsetting me

Notice is not happening today.
Vote Yuri.

@Yuri -- You flipping town means I talk with Titus and re-evaluate everything. However you aren't trying to get Vecna lynched. You are trying to appeal to me to do it. If you think Vecna is scum and agree with me make a case. I want you with rope today. The only question to me is if you are scum who wants me to lynch Vecna tomorrow as wifom which has happened or if you are Town and genuinely believe Vecna is scum. Prove to me you believe Vecna scum. Make a case.

~~Math

[The DEO]

Titusblade stop ignoring my love I said words to you

Will do. I was just focusing on solving Sonham first and helping that situation.

(Hey Sonham, stop talking to scum please and start with what I asked you to do.)

~Titus

[Fro99er]

ELBIRN VOTE YURI NOW

[The DEO]

Vecna might be waking up to his townblock has scums in it.
Let's get rid of him.

wait wtf does this mean, how on earth are u reading this as scum me trying to mislynch vecna, isnt your whole thing that u think we're partners

I am saying IF I am wrong on Vecna that is what is happening. I don't think I am.

Prove to me Vecna scum. Pretend I don't scumread Vecna

~~Math

[Lil Uzi Vert]

What Math doesn't understand is we don't need her to push any agenda through

[Yuri]

Maria what about my Vecna vote makes u sure im town. what do you expect scum me to have done in this situation instead

The vote doesn't feel survivalist like it feels like you really sr Vedna and want a wagon on him I feel like if you were scum you would've gone for a wagon that could've got you more traction like Luv Me Deo Notice etc

None of those actually seem all that viable to me. cept you but i said i was townreading you. notice is a possibility id grant

idk, from here it sorta looks like you picked something thats easier to TR me for so you could defend the town getting mislynched.

but i do also see how u could come to this conclusion as town, so idk if i could get more information out of pressing this. either way i still feel like TRing you

[The DEO]

Maria what about my Vecna vote makes u sure im town. what do you expect scum me to have done in this situation instead

The vote doesn't feel survivalist like it feels like you really sr Vedna and want a wagon on him I feel like if you were scum you would've gone for a wagon that could've got you more traction like Luv Me Deo Notice etc

LUV would get no traction despite his ISO being a drinking game of "town will never solve this game so let's hinder Town by choosing none".
We will never get traction at all. Because we are obvTown this is clearly not my scum game and if it was I would be the one corralling Titus since I have a god awesome winrate and can fool almost every player into thinking I am Town. That is my strength. Titus doesn't do that.
Notice is Town. Stawp it.

~~Math

[Yuri]

Math Vecna has been a TR for the whole game and then did something that looks hella scum. im like rly bad at making cases, i can just tell you that looking at vecna hes afraid of being called in a scum group that was mislynching me, and that wouldnt be as bad as looking like my buddy, bc he knows im not

contrast with jaereed whos afraid of being called my buddy

[Sondam]

ngh....bullies fine I'll just go do my homework that Titus gave me
~Maria

[Akane and Nebby]

Yuri isn't dead yet because?

-Nebby

[The DEO]

What Math doesn't understand is we don't need her to push any agenda through

lol thank you for

finally

admitting you have an agenda and pocketed Titus.

Wow. Never thought I would hear that on D1. Thought I would have to rip it out of you D3 or 4.

~~Math

[The DEO]

Math Vecna has been a TR for the whole game and then did something that looks hella scum. im like rly bad at making cases, i can just tell you that looking at vecna hes afraid of being called in a scum group that was mislynching me, and that wouldnt be as bad as looking like my buddy, bc he knows im not

contrast with jaereed whos afraid of being called my buddy

What is that something?

JaeReed isn't afraid lol. Afraid people don't do what JaeReed did.

~~Math