Civilization Mafia [GAME OVER]

[Nahdia]

Lynch Vote 1.29

Yuri (9):

Lil Uzi Vert, Akane and Nebby, Vecna, Spiffeh, beeboy, Fro99er, The DEO, Nero Cain, Creature

beeboy (3):

ssbm_Kyouko, PeregrineV, Yuri

Sondam (1):

Drixx

Akane and Nebby (1):

Albert B. Rampage

Vecna (1):

Caesar Wills It

ssbm_Kyouko (1):

Maxous

Fro99er (1):

Leonshade

NoticeMeSenpai (1):

Elbirn

Not Voting (3):

ooba, NoticeMeSenpai, Sondam

With 21 players alive, it takes 11 to to lynch.
Lynch deadline is in (expired on 2017-02-21 10:05:30), at which point we will default to no lynch.

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i win

[Akane and Nebby]

GG

-Nebby

[Lil Uzi Vert]

It is

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Forum needs an arcade

[The DEO]

Oh yay! A not standard board and I go first You know how to make me so happy
Column D please and spoiler future boards while we talk. (Assuming column A is the left most column)

What are your reads assuming Yuri scum and then a second set assuming Yuri town?

~~Math

Pedit Nahdia wins apparently Nevermind XD

[The DEO]

Who are you scum reading and why?

Nebby, I can only do one person at once. No multiple professors. That doesn't work IMO.

@Spiffeh, When I scumread players, I'm looking for agendas/motivations that do NOT coincide with the town wincondition. Behaviors that do not match a town wincondition suggest an agenda that does not match a town wincon or an unwillingness to help town. Identifying town and looking at what's left over is my better town games, provided I do not succumb to pride and foolish errors.

So the list I posted is the list of people who I think fit that agenda. I'd compromise on Soham and Notice. Soham because Gerry is much more anti town than MariaR and I'll always have a small paranoia spot after PyP and I think MariaR would say the feeling is mutual. I liked MariaR's responses to my questioning before.

The series of behaviors that I have laid out, minus Math and Nero, I feel are the most damaging to the town with the current flips as they are. I don't really know how you catch scum, but at some point it's just time to test whether we're right.

[The DEO]

a list of items to be discussed at a formal meeting.
"the question of nuclear weapons had been removed from the agenda"
synonyms: list of items, schedule, program, timetable, itinerary, lineup, list, plan, to-do list; trademarkdaytimer
"the next topic on the agenda"

Lynching scum is a definition of being town.
Planning to take away town power.
Planning mislynches
Destroying town by doing X,Y,Z those are agendas.
Agendas require specific items to do in a list.

If you said lynching scum by doing A,B,C and A,B,C were specific then yes that would be an agenda. Town doesn't do that. They find scum they make their passionate heartfelt case or some a Snarky case of bringing the pain on scums and win or lose by their words. Mechanics get close to giving town agendas but unless the game is 100% broken which Nahdia wouldn't do town don't have agendas. The thing Mafia has so many Town beards where Mafia made a plan called Humans Reference and Town stuck to it.

I am all for mechanics when it is clear who a towb n is or someone can be scumfirmed. Taking away abilities that allow some of the best game solvers in the game to do things like Titus PV and Drixx is remarkably antitown. Find the scums that voted none that didn't want Titus to solve this game. Going too much in the weeds too early gives glossy looks but you don't deny a Town Jailkeeper because it might accidentally hit town. That is just not a thing.

~~Math

Pedit and Sondham and Notice are town. I will put the vote back on Yuri if you vote anyone else at this point as we need a lynch to end the day from hell.

[Lil Uzi Vert]

Lol I know what the word agenda means

List of things to do when it comes to scum hunting:

1.) Question
2.) Look at motive
3.) Look at interactions
4.) Repeat Step 1
5.) Evaluate

[Lil Uzi Vert]

Notice is not town.

[Akane and Nebby]

Spoiler: Game

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I is Zs.

If Yuri is scum reads:
{DEO, Creature, LUV, Vecna, Frogger, Drixx, Elbrin}
{Notice, PV}
{Ooba, Caesars, Leon}
{Jesus, ABR, Spiffeh}
{Maxous, Kyouko}
{Beeboy, Sondam}
{Yuri}

If Yuri is town:
{Yuri}
{DEO, LUV, Frogger, Drixx, Elbrin, Spiffeh}
{Notice, PV}
{Ooba, Caesars, Leon}
{ABR, Creature, Vecna}
{Sondam, Maxous, Kyouko, Jesus}
{Beeboy}

-Nebby

[Akane and Nebby]

Actually now that I think about it, I think I may want to look at Vecna again either way because I sorta feel like Vecna could be mining for towncred by harddefending LUV.
But right now I'm TRing him because he seems to be helpful.
Like...Holy shit I think I'm starting to understand why people want Vecna now.

-Nebby

[Akane and Nebby]

Tho I really don't think he's associated with LUV. If Vecna is scum I don't think he would go out of his way like he did to defend LUV.
It's something I'll consider for later.

-Nebby

[Akane and Nebby]

Tho I really don't think he's associated with LUV. If Vecna is scum I don't think he would go out of his way like he did to defend

scum!LUV

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[The DEO]

Those aren't a to do list and aren't in a specific order. That is not an agenda.

An agenda is "I think none is the best for Town so anyone disagreeing must be scum". That is how the first 11 pages went down. Scum rammed none down our throats. You were either complicit or scum.

Barring a conf!scum status (like lying about powers or being a liar) picking something to push before day started is an agenda. Coming into this game with a plan in mind is an agenda. I lynch people with agendas who exclude people. I am a tunnelly asshole but I am an inclusionary tunnelly asshole. Excluding and lynching unpopular opinions barring confirmation results in lynching Town more often than not: See the "How Not to Town" guide that is on the wiki. Making a decision someone isn't townie enough to be in a town block cuts off all sorts of avenues you could have had. I may be insane I may be unpopular but almost always there was a grain of truth.

Take PyP my reads were shit. But I was right scum were manipulating the town block into mass claim when it was unneeded.

Pushing agendas and Town creating "unlynchables" only works if you are right. And on D1 I won't bet the farm on someone else being right. I am an opinionated asshole but Townblocks only work if you either have mechanics to back it up or are masons

~~Math

Pedit: Halle freaking luyah

[Nahdia]

Albert B. Rampage has been prodded.

[Akane and Nebby]

Notice is not town.

lol town!LUV is stuck in a tunnel.

-Nebby

[The DEO]

Notice is not town.

lol town!LUV is stuck in a tunnel.

-Nebby

I agree about the tunnel just disagree about LUV's alignment.

~~Math

[Lil Uzi Vert]

@Math: We have a different definition of the word.

Excluding people who are in their own world is not an agenda, it is just a simply way to make the game healthier not only for me but for everyone else involved. Pushing agendas and declaring people off limits for a day or until the game is over on D1 can work if you give people space and room to operate. I was given that with Yuri because no one bothered to step in and we're now one step closer to lynching scum because of it.

[Lil Uzi Vert]

@A&N: Vecna is most likely town. I encourage you to all to look at PyP and compare.

[Lil Uzi Vert]

I'm not tunneling, I'm just really confident in my reads because I feel I am pretty good at reading people.

[Lil Uzi Vert]

Stop calling Nero Jesus

[The DEO]

@Math: We have a different definition of the word.

Excluding people who are in their own world is not an agenda, it is just a simply way to make the game healthier not only for me but for everyone else involved. Pushing agendas and declaring people off limits for a day or until the game is over on D1 can work if you give people space and room to operate. I was given that with Yuri because no one bothered to step in and we're now one step closer to lynching scum because of it.

That is the exact problem I am talking about.
Mafia is not a popularity contest.
The game isn't healthy by forcing group think putting down others and squelching opinions that you think are "not of this world". I think Notice is town. Am I stopping you or putting you down for making a case? No.
What makes a game healthy is when we respect each other as people and then let each person have their vote.

Consistently you have doubted people's ability to game solve, thrown shade, rammed your ideas down people's throats without listening to feedback. By the time I was online it was a clusterfuck of people outright lying that none is better. That isn't listening and doing the protown thing. It is getting shit done in a hurry because of being scared and passing it off as consensus.

Healthy games don't exclude they don't berate they just are.

I miss those days.

~~Math

[Akane and Nebby]

Notice is not town.

lol town!LUV is stuck in a tunnel.

-Nebby

I agree about the tunnel just disagree about LUV's alignment.

~~Math

Math, we'll agree to disagree on the alignment part

-Nebby

pedit: Link.
pedit2: lol
pedit3: If he tells me to I will.
pedit4: Math can I post?

[Akane and Nebby]

I think I should consult Akane about Vecna.
If only Akane would talk to me ;~;

-Nebby

[The DEO]

Talk to me about LUV and how that comes from a town player.

~~Math

[Akane and Nebby]

I don't see how scum!LUV would confbias notice as he is now while his vote is on Yuri. Like I don't see the scum motivation behind his behavoir right now.
I don't think scum!LUV would hardbus Yuri as he is now (assuming Yuri is scum).
And the tone just feels like it's coming from town!LUV.
I can give you meta if you like that stuff.

-Nebby