Civilization Mafia: Barbarian Encampment

[Drixx]

PV is a good kill if we want it to go largely unnoticed because I enter the game with a vengeance and:

1.) DEMAND that whomever took Pyramids claims it and explains themselves or else, with as much venom as I can inject.

2.) Dump a pile of analysis from one hundred and seventy fucking three pages of day one.

[Pine]

Ditto everything Drixx just said, except that I'm going to stand firm on Nero as our kill. He's dangerous, and just completed a scum game with me where I poured out so much strategy into the scum PT that I requested much of it redacted. Mastina is right, his personal weakness as a player is that he isn't particularly good at swaying the group, but he almost always has excellent reads and can be like a dog with a bone.

[JaeReed]

Mastina, I love it when you and I are on the same page!

I was going to recommend Nero for our N1 kill. DEO has a great chance to get pocketed, especially with their hydra dissonance. ABR's toxic attitude is likely to get him lynched.

Also on my radar to kill are Maxous and Fro99er. Fro99er is playing badly, but he's playing so FUCKING LOUDLY that anything he says is getting de facto argument from repetition. It will be hard to control anything with this loose cannon flying around, and if he focuses in on one of us, probably at random but also because we slighted him, he could be dangerous.

Nero or Fro99er.

I think this is pretty much how I'm reading the gamestate too.

Only hesitance on killing Fro99er is that he was helping to dismantle the townbloc near the end of day. I'm not sure whether his paranoia about Vecna will help to get him lynched or whether he'll circle around to being fine with him in the end tbh. If he decides he's fine with Vecna then I feel like we could have a problem. I'm not even entirely sure that the paranoia was genuine or just an attempt to keep them both alive >.<

Nero is being not too problematic right now and his reads are wrong so I think that's a good nightkill. Some people are scumreading him and he's scumreading Vecna, DEO, Creature, A&N. Plus Titus promised to ISO him overnight and it'd be pretty disheartening for her to decide he's scum then come back with a townflip? Along with the fact that his scumreads should be fresh in her mind.

If we want to lay low I'd be in for PV though, he's obvtown and I can't remember his stances off the top of my head but I doubt they'd be too far on the right track? I'mma go ISO him.

[JaeReed]

I currently think Nero might be the best kill though simply because he's wrong and if his reads can get that good we don't want to give him a chance to turn that around.

[Pine]

I may be paranoid about Nero due to my history with him. I've played with him off and on for about five years, and the man is usually pretty good. What can be dangerous is if he gets TRed by someone who knows his Town meta and can act as his mouthpiece. I've been looking for an opportunity to do that for years, and it just never happens. We have a habit of one or both of us pulling scum when we play together, kind of like how I have a habit of pulling scum whenever I hydra. I've done maybe half a dozen hydrae in my days, and not ONCE have I drawn Town.

[Elbirn]

I feel pretty good about a pv kill. My gut likes it. It sounds natural. Like peeing outside.

Sell me on Nero, if you guys really want him? Like I can't remember if his reads are literally backwards or if that was only what town-elbirn thought, but I seem to have a mental image of him being completely fucking clueless so far. He's also guaranteed to be another voice riling up titus, and she may as a consequence be liable to mislynch him? She seems to scumread dissenters pretty badly.

Like I think that's my mastermind plan, do everything possible to cause a battle of town egos that destroys this town and provides decent noise cover for us. The more town bickers with each other the happier I am.

[Elbirn]

Jae, you mentioned earlier mastina telling you to not do the strategy of just forgetting you're scum?

Know that that is my scumgame; I'm only scum at night. During the day I'm town and will actively undermine my own scum strategies because I am insane. Prepare for my doublethink to result in my trying to heal the town divide for the towncred despite wanting town to fall apart.

I am not a role model, please listen to your teacher mastina.

[Pine]

Hey guys, just trust me. When Mastina and I have the same instinct, especially about a fellow old school player, it's the right move. Nero is one of the more dangerous players right now, in part because he's uncommitted. Maxous would also be a good kill, PV maybe my third choice, or one for N2/N3.

[Elbirn]

I just... man no offense to nero but I've seen one of his towngames, I was scum there as well actually. And he had only wrong reads. And then I let him and town-titus bicker and argue and I can't remember but I think he was mislynched by titus a few days in?

Point is I just can't fathom him being a strong player who needs to go asap. And I can't imagine getting rid of him when he can actively contribute to the titusblade implosion.

How sure are you that this is the play, cuz I feel pretty solid about putting pv in the dirt

[Elbirn]

Like nero and titus = nero telling titus she's shit and undermining her 100% of the time. It's a recurring theme much like abr and titus. That conflict is gr8

[Pine]

Hmm. Fair enough. We all view things through our own lens. We can revisit the issue at a later date.

I'd like to propose an alternate.

What if we kill Fro99er? I don't think he's likely to be protected, and silencing an overproductive voice can help us control the conversation a bit better. It will also empower the DEO hydra, whom we are hoping to pocket and use as a proxy.

[Elbirn]

Hrm. I like having the noise though how do you figure this empowers titus?

[JaeReed]

I'm ultimately fine with anything in PV, Frogger, Nero to be honest.
A Nero kill when he's scumread by half the town, townread by the other half, and has laughably wrong reads has the benefit of throwing the town into confusion, and we don't want him to have the chance to turn his reads around.
Frogger's paranoia of Vecna and ability to synergize with the townblock when he has his shit together along with that annoying af kinda-scumread from him would be helpful to be gone too (although he seemed to think the forced townslip was a scumslip if it's multiball and I don't think it is so he might walk that sr back idunno). Should help make paranoia of Vecna levels rise in town maybe?
PV is obvtown to the extreme this game. I have no idea why people are scumreading him. His reads aren't awful either, and he's part of the anti-Drixx coalition. Also part of the anti-A&N grouping though too.

The noise is bad for me being able to keep up ftr. I'd almost prefer killing an active over the rest for that alone, but I kinda agree that it helps give cover, especially while I'm struggling to make decent points.

pedit: her read having been proved right, I think, Elbirn. Especially now that she's been wrong on beeboy, she will probably want validation about her townbloc picks.

[Pine]

Hrm. I like having the noise though how do you figure this empowers titus?

Well, first of all let's not reduce DEO to Titus. Math is a good player in his own right, and has distinct opinions and influence in this game.

Second, D1 was dominated by Fro99er and the DEO heads. If we are to pocket DEO, killing their loudest competition for attention allows them to increase their market share and therefore their influence.

[Pine]

JaeReed is also right. In addition to empowering DEO, cutting the volume will allow OUR voices to be heard a bit more, and let us keep informed to a greater degree.

[JaeReed]

NoticeMeSenpai spears Fro99er in the belly before dancing around his body as they listen to him croak his final croak.

I'll put this in for now and you guys can change it up if we decide not to do it, just good to have a placeholder I think in case we forget in all the talk. I really wanna know what Drixx and mastina think of the nightkill choices when they read up. I think I might get some heat off this kill but it's worth it overall if we can collectively get on The DEO's good side. Plus nka heat should be easyish to get out of on account that the team doesn't make a decision based on just one person, and if there's only one nightkill Frogger's point about me being maf was only valid in multiball by his own admission, which was why he had me off the table for D1.

Pine, are you confident in dodging the lynch with all the people suspicious of Aero not posting?

[mastina]

The thing about this game which is awesome is that we have so

many

kill choices...but not because the town is playing so ridiculously well that there's a ton of obvtown we want dead pronto, but rather, the opposite, in that town is so disjointed we can kill almost anyone we want and have it still be productive in different ways.

Frogger, Maxous, PV, Nero, these are all good kill options. None are really superior to any other, I'd think. All of them have about the same outcome, both short-term and on the long-term scumgame forecast. They remove voices we'll want gone before endgame, they'll cause confusion, they'll remove a strong voice, there's just no way I think we can clearly choose one option and have that be the best nightkill available. There's no option which is superior above all else; they're all equal.

[ssbm_Kyouko]

Jesus, I fell into a sinkhole with this game (the actual video game civ V). Got my shit togetherish though, going to attempt to continue if I'm not being replaced yet

[JaeReed]

ok if Kyouko is sticking around I'd love help on tr'ing him. Anything will do that I can point back to later and say "eh this was good enough that he wasn't on my immediate radar"?

Also yeah civ is a great fucking game tbh.

My skype thing is: http://steamcommunity.com/profiles/76561198076761149/
please add me. I suck at civ but I love to play with ppl.

[ssbm_Kyouko]

I suspect Alisae actually tried to build the statue of zeus btw

[Elbirn]

I can go for a fro99er kill, and if you guys think it's a good idea I can compromise on Nero.

Kyouko, why do you think so? Didn't they want to build mausoleum? The neighborhood one righ?

[Elbirn]

Someday I will add you all on steam and we can civ it up. But not now for I go to school. Sooooon

[Pine]

Jae I am confident of dodging the lynch. I'm pretty good at Towning it up, as you can see from the reaction to my OOC rant at Fro99er. I'll skim a bit and have some original opinions at day start, that should help.

[Pine]

I'm not worried about Aero's absence. I can play it off as him flaking, even if he continues to talk in our hydra. It might even be prudent for him to never post. We'll see.

Creature is actually one of my concerns right now. This is clearly his Towngame, and I've already called it out as such, but he's another one that can be like a dog with a bone, and he's onto me. Someone want to spearhead a push on him?

[Elbirn]

How reliable is the aero meta of him just flaking every time he rolls scum?