Civilization Mafia [GAME OVER]

[Nero Cain]

damn I scared off the new girl/alt

[Akane and Nebby]

ffs Nero it's not X-mas no more take off the santa hat.
-Nebby

[Nahdia]

Also fuck formatting holy fucking shit

@MOD is it possible to fix formatting?

-Nebby

that entire post is a huuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuge mess and will actually take a long time for me to fix, so no.

Don't put spoiler tags inside spoilers tags.

[ssbm_Kyouko]

VOTE: SSBM
I need you to talk about problems.

Who is your biggest townread and why?
Who are you scumreading and why?
What do you make of Vecna v ABR day 1 and why?
What do you make of Maxous' vote on you?
-Nebby

Townreads rn are Vecna/DEO. DEO because I don't think scum claims to have stonehenge and begs to get vigged unless they built statue of zeus, and I'd like to think the mod gave town priority over scum. (side note: If anyone decides to build the oracle they should ask if priority was attached to alignment imo, unless they can think of a better question to ask tonight, or something like "Is there a mechanic in game that will allow players to build more than one wonder")
Vecna seems obvious to me but their D1 talk about the Pyramids seemed like it was definitely coming from town

scumreading Nero atm since his 4444 looks like a case of putting the cart before the horse in their read on you, but I'll have to catch up to see if he answered me

Didn't read D1 after my last post D1 except the mod's ISO to see who got lynched and what they flipped. I don't remember them being particularly at odds before that though

Maxous vote looks like a carryover from D1 so I don't really care about it, same as yesterday

[Nahdia]

Lynch Vote 2.04

Albert B. Rampage (4):

Vecna, Lil Uzi Vert, Leonshade, Mathblade

Caesar Wills It (2):

Creature, Brian Skies

Sondam (2):

Nero Cain, Albert B Rampage

ssbm_Kyouko (1):

Maxous

Elbirn (1):

Akane and Nebby

Lil Uzi Vert (1):

Sondam

Akane and Nebby (1):

Yuri

Not Voting (7):

Caesar Wills It, ssbm_Kyouko, davesaz, PeregrineV, Elbirn, nancy, NoticeMeSenpai

With 19 players alive, it takes 10 to lynch by majority.
Lynch deadline is in (expired on 2017-02-28 16:35:13), at which point we will default to no lynch.

[Akane and Nebby]

Eh, was worth the ask.
Thanks anyways mod.

Why can't the pyramids talk come from scum?
What makes you think the town have priority over scum?
Can you expand on your Nero scumread?
-Nebby

[nancy]

Senpai has anyone roleclaimed so far?

pedit new girl, not scared, going through VCs, your ISO ain't too pretty son

[Akane and Nebby]

Mathblade claimed he built stonehenge

Also what about his ISO isn't pretty?
-Nebby

[NoticeMeSenpai]

Notice because JaeReed doesn't seem like my experience with town!JaeReed, and he's a transparent player who doesn't really vary his style so that makes me think he's scum here. I also think he makes long rants with AtE/complaining about non-game things because that's the only thing he, uncomfortable with lying, feels comfortable talking about.

ABR and Yuri were both popular wagons that got diverted, while the beeboy lynch was pushed through much easier, so I feel that the difficulty with lynching one of them could be due to them being scum (Vecna was also a popular wagon but I'm TRing them). I wouldn't support a Yuri wagon, as their seemed towny during/after they were close to being lynched, and I was only really scumreading ABR because I thought his early inactivity was deliberate.

You don't actually know me enough to say that, we're not friends, so stop talking like you know me. Also, I do vary my style quite fucking often, so no. You have literally been in one game and saw me replace into one where I hurt a friend and became a little more subdued after that. And still proceeded to step on the toes of another friend. You trying to say you know my meta based off one game where I was a mason and another where I fucked up and hurt my friends is disingenous as fuck.

And complaining about the pace of the game is definitely a game related thing. So is complaining about the toxicity and gaslighting exhibited by certain players. Is it AI? No, or at least I don't think so in my case, but it is certainly game related. < Yes I understand this is semantics it just bugged me.

Yuri was a consensus wagon for a pretty long time and no one bothered to hard derail it for so long that I don't think they're scum. Only thing I'm wary of there is their defense of me but I think the emotional responses were genuine. ABR is town because he sees the same shit from Vecna that I do, was kinda waffling on this early game because his early game in Shadowrun was more aggressive but the push to derail the Yuri shit was good.

Talk to me about your TR on Vecna? This whole thing feels like grapes all over again.

First off, I apologize if I was coming off like I know your mindset. My intention was to comment on your play, nothing more.

I'm also counting Undertale mafia since I was still following it after my death. I think I explained more clearly in an earlier post, but I interpret your technically game-related, but not game-advancing comments about game length and such as active lurking, the appearance of contributing while not really doing so.

I see what you're saying about Yuri's wagon, but the lack of a visible derail could be caution on the part of his buddies, if they are scum (which, mind you, I doubt at this point).

My Vecna-read was solidified during resolution phase, he made such a strong push for None, and a case for the other two being anti-town, that I think it came from a genuine place. My reads have also been similar to his and I haven't yet had a reason to doubt my TR on him.

How do you feel about A&N and LUV, ABR's other two SRs?

Apology accepted, sorry for blowing up it just kinda irks me when people do that when they actually don't have all that much experience with me. It's a bad use of meta, which I do as well so I'm really just a hypocrite but eh.

I guess, I couldn't keep up with the pace of the game with multiple people posting 80+ posts a day. I'd whine about that anyway. It was making it extremely difficult to develop reads when I felt like I was in a race to read one page before 2-3 more popped up. Pace seems to have slowed since so hopefully I can keep up now. Undertale maf wasn't so...painstakingly active when I replaced in that I couldn't keep up, same with DOTA. Typhon I couldn't keep up but because I was busy irl so that's different again from here.

I guess it's possible, but it would be really suboptimal scum play imo? I just don't see a reason for scum to bus early D1, and the only other explanation for that is the buddies all being in the low post count ppl, which feels too easy. I can't see a reason scum wouldn't take a hard stance on a buddy guaranteed to go down, either by hard defending and attempting to derail or by bussing for the cred. I can only see being cautious as an option if you're not entirely sure it'll go through?

I'll go look it over again. I liked his attempts to hold shit together between this post and the Titus replace out. Felt like scum didn't need to step in that hard.

A&N and LUV are both obvtown. I felt like I made my stances there clear tbh.

[Akane and Nebby]

Also Mathblade wants pyramids to claim for some reason.
-Nebby

[Nero Cain]

explain.

[Lil Uzi Vert]

Whoa when did nancy get here?

[Akane and Nebby]

She replaced Spiff.
BTW nancy want a fun assignment?
Look back at your previous slot holder's ISO when you get the chance and tell me what you think of it.
-Nebby

[Nero Cain]

Also Mathblade wants pyramids to claim for some reason.

they want to cop them

[nancy]

Nebby why did you hop off ABR onto beeboy Day 1 in your own words?

[Lil Uzi Vert]

Oh cool!

Back to waiting for ABR to be lynched then.

[nancy]

Hi LUV (:

[nancy]

LUV give me your case for ABR please.

[Nero Cain]

stall alert.

[Akane and Nebby]

Spoiler: Relevant Elbrin Quotes

You opened the thread while I'm in class WHYYYY

Idk whats happening or what any of this means but I always rush science to the near exclusion of all else so uhh

VOTE: Science

In other news uhh I did read what the two resolutions do and i'ma stick with science. Giving us the ability to better plan ahead for wonders > possibly giving scum more vote power

Did you see that there is an option to vote for neither?

Did you read the concerns brought up by a few players as to why Sciences is the best option for scum?

We could vote neither but that bores me. I demand to be entertained. Also to lay in my Greek marble chair and be fed grapes by pretty ladies.

I did read the posts with the things but I either failed to grok it or did not understand how it's more advantageous for scum than for us.

...No wait my brain just turned on, okay.

VOTE: No Resolution

Science = scum making plots together, while all the townies sit in their greed and go "oh wow I want that next era wonder" and do fuck all

Barry Bee Benson doesn't strike me as scummy

He's just passionately incorrect

Elbrin why did you suddenly switch from Science to None?

-Nebby

I turned my brain on and decided that nah. It's in the post. Science = scum gains more of an advantage than town + town will just bicker and suboptimally argue/choose over roles and bad things happen

Which head is which btw?

Really Elbrin? Really?
Cuz, the way I see it no resolution was getting popular and you just decided to hop along for the ride.

-Nebby

Jesus god this thread did not need to balloon to 40 pages while I was at work I couldn't even keep up by skimming

I had some posts I liked earlier but didn't get to because the game has moved so fast that now they're like 30 pages ago and thus irrelevant

Vecna, Titusblade, drixx, alisaehydra, spiff, Maxous are all town

Furthermore, lmao why the fuck are people voting for max

Hey look some recent highlights

Oh yeah did I forget to say that beeboy is now an acceptable lynch?
Cuz they are.
-Nebby

Is there anyone that you don't want to lynch?

For sure!
Frogger, DEO, Spif, Elbrin, Vecna, Uzi.

-Nebby

Hey
I just wanted to let you know, you're doing a good job

So far none of my two other scumreads were voted, keep trying.

I don't like anything else creature said and was gonna take a shit on him but this post was so cavalier that I stopped being upset and I will leave him alone for now

Btw reminder not to give any indication of whether you're going for a role today and which role you'd choose.

And when the roles are distributed, don't give any indication of whether you got one or not.

The less scum know about the location of the power roles, the less successful they'll be at neutralizing them.

^ forced.

I mean, that's obvious with any role in any mafia game. Why did you feel the need to point this out?

Because people are still talking about what roles they want to choose when they shouldn't be

It could just be wifom though.

~G

VOTE: Sondam

I AM A MIGHTY LION

HEAR ME RAWR.
RAWR.

I really don't like Garrybote pointing out the wifom there.
Like it sounds like scum trying to discredit more things.

-Nebby

pedit: There's something about his hop onto Spif here that I really do not like.

Keep doing good things you guys

Why is Maxous scum? Why are you so sure they are scum over me that you won't vote someone you just said is scum.

~G

VOTE: Sondham

Do you believe Maxous is scum? Or are you trying to throw more town votes onto his wagon?

~Titus

Titus also doing good work I see

if our brains get too smart they will become self aware and take over our bodys

-Nebby

Truth.

So garrybote/Maria.
You obviously scumread The Deo.
But you took so long to vote them.
What gives my dude?

-Nebby

Alisae-town in my experience likes to use this as a scumtell, or at least gets really annoyed when people don't vote for scumreads, idk here have more points


General ramblings:

Titus and I seem to be lock-step in a lot of ways this game and I came to a townread here really quick so I'm kinda hype that maybe me and titus have fixed our relationship and now we can mind-meld again and wreck scum.

Her push for science, though I didn't agree with it, is exactly out of titus' playbook and seemed motivated by her desire to run the world (girls)

Sorta tying this together: Drixx mentioned suikoden, where titus took a shit on the scumteam? I was there, she and I recognized each other as town on like page 1 and proceeded to 100% nail scum on intuition and ridiculous role/setup nonsense for a near perfect town win.

Then he mentions space dandy, I was scum that game and let titus and cerb/drixx hydra destroy the game by fighting each other while the 3 of our slots sat in a neighborhood and I sipped my tea

I guess what I'm getting at, aside from my humble bragging, is that I can see Drixx wanting to work with Titus here, given his knowledge of what she can do when shes fucking on point and knowing that if they fight they'll ruin the game, and I can see titus wanting all the pieces in front of her because that's what she does, and frankly I'm happy that they're playing nice because good lord if these two start arguing I might just flake out and anyway they're both town.

Vecna achieved obvtown levels earlier and I really want DEO hydra to not be salty at them

Alisaehydra also Towned to me but I forget all the little details but believe me I saw many things

Have I mentioned that this max wagon is awful and it breaks my heart that it's like entirely my town reads being wrong? Please stop.


Pedit: I wanted to sleep 2.5 hours ago I am not reading the 2 pages of posts that just popped up for no reason, this post is all you get, good bye world

Elbrin why ya hide the vote in the spoilers

-Nebby

Uh fuck u right

VOTE: Sadohom or whatever their name is

I woke up because I temembered what I wanted to say about akane, which is this: their insistence on getting the neighborizer, a piss poor role, to the point that they seem ready to throw a fit and will just "twiddle their thumbs" if they don't get it, struck me as so very much an alisae-move and it makes no sense as a scum-play


As for Nero I see you but I'm still going back to sleep. What you said went over my head but it sounds like Titus just being wrong or something, will re-evaluate sleep consumes me goodbye *dies*

I'm going to be playing catch up the entire game and I can already predict the amount of no fun i'ma have

Pine being a lurk sack bothers me....and I kinda hate Titus pushing so hard to get votes onto Max yet sitting elsewhere.

El, Imma let you sleep but you town reading Titus and hating the Max wagon while Titus was pushing that while avoiding the wagon herself is so bizarre and I want you to talk about it.

Nero is this what you're referring to? Tbh I don't have time to back and check but to the best of my recollection...I think you're saying that titusblade was advocating votes on max but voting for sond; but my interpretation of events was that Titusblade was voting for sond and questioning sond on why they weren't voting for max when they had max as a scumread and they were being wagoned

That's not pushing the max wagon while sitting elsewhere, that's voting for a scumread while questioning why they're being inconsistent and it's 2legit2quit

Vecna achieved obvtown levels earlier and I really want DEO hydra to not be salty at them

Talk to me about this? I haven't liked the way it has been shading The DEO, yet comes across as though it believes they're town when it does.

You and Vecna kinda hashed this out already so uh my response is everything Vecna said.

It's words fill me with good feels and heartsmiles and that's what's most important to me.

And I don't see it as doing shading, it's being snarky and this is fine

I woke up because I temembered what I wanted to say about akane, which is this: their insistence on getting the neighborizer, a piss poor role, to the point that they seem ready to throw a fit and will just "twiddle their thumbs" if they don't get it, struck me as so very much an alisae-move and it makes no sense as a scum-play

That's not even me tho. Nebby = Ali
-Nebby

Tho I know Akane does feel VERY strongly about getting that wonder.
-Nebby

Good lord when I am crowned Thorin, king under the mountain, all hydrae will be abolished forever.

Okay so I was just referring to your hydra as akane because it's the first part of the username

Akane = who?
Nebby = Alisae?

Alisae, baybee, was it not you who was insisting on the neighborizer?

Jae, you just scumclaimed.
Here's why.

The Great Lighthouse (Available only to

non-town

players) Factional topics you are a part of gain day chat as long as you are alive.

How the fuck is a mason supposed to get it when it's only avalable to NON-TOWN PLAYERS!

Like, holy fucking shit Jae. Scum can't be denied something that's only for them.

-Nebby

So this wasn't a scumclaim,
But it was absolutely Jae trying to fake a townslip and reading the posts afterwards is like lol no

UNVOTE:
VOTE: NoticeMeSenpai

Also Happy Birthday Elbrin.

-Nebby

<3

I think that was actually Malachite lol. It's still town from them tho, I agree.

Who the fuck is malachite

Currently could do Drixx, Maxous and Sondam.

Oh I forgot beeboy

You mentioned notice a page earlier? Why are they not on your list?



Pedit: there always has to be a pedit. No one says anything the whole time I'm typing, and then Titus ninjas me a second before I hit submit.

I had a wall of quotes, sighed and then deleted them and I'm just gonna babble some points instead

1. This akane/Nebby wagon is fucking stupid and I am going to derail it now. There is no reason for it.

2. For those of you complaining that "a&n scumread too many people and are too aggro they're just leaving everyone open as a lynch possibility!"

Having played my past two games with town-alisae, this is literally just what he does.

3. For whoever it was who complained earlier that "a&n is too bothered by being scumread and wants to be liked too much"

Having played my past two games with town-alisae, this is literally just what he does.

4. Seriously Jesus cripes get off of a&n

5. Spiffeh is stupidly town and I will follow him into the dark

6. I had other things to say but I forgot, I should have kept the quote wall but I hate those and feel like no one reads them

7. VOTE: BeeBoy

Vote for beeboy and everything will BEE okay

UNVOTE:

I lied I like beeboy

Or are you protecting ABR?

How is not giving the reasoning for my reads protecting ABR?

I don't even know half of your reads. You know ABR likes to control. You know ABR has an ego. Where is he? Waiting for us to implode right?

Yet, you are allowing him the excuse of doing jackshit and not giving reads by refusing to give reads and tell me where the fuck I am right or wrong when availing myself and giving you every excuse to give reads on every slot.

~Titus

Tbh considering the pace of this game I wouldn't blame someone for seeing the thread blowing up and be like

I don't think I have any feelings towards yuri either way. If I were to do one of those fancy coloured lists you all love so much, his colour would be beige, the most boring of colours.

I like to lynch red, the most violent of colours.

There are also like a ton of people who have done fuckall today that need to check in before I'm comfortable with the day ending

If Yuri is scum reads:
{DEO, Creature, LUV, Vecna, Frogger, Drixx, Elbrin}
{Notice, PV}
{Ooba, Caesars, Leon}
{Jesus, ABR, Spiffeh}
{Maxous, Kyouko}
{Beeboy, Sondam}
{Yuri}

If Yuri is town:
{Yuri}
{DEO, LUV, Frogger, Drixx, Elbrin, Spiffeh}
{Notice, PV}
{Ooba, Caesars, Leon}
{ABR, Creature, Vecna}
{Sondam, Maxous, Kyouko, Jesus}
{Beeboy}

-Nebby

1. You used Z's instead of X's you fucking monster
2. You used yuri in your reads list after assuming his death and it was really cute

-----


Titusblade you asked me who is red to me earlier. I want notice roped. Could also go for sondham but thats...they're not red, they're pink. Idk. And I'm low key suspicious of Vecna after some pondering happened in my big brain and I was trying to not out that because I wanted to poke him first.

At some point I decided that I like beeboy but don't remember why but I don't think I wanna lynch there

Nero had me looking at him sideways for his literally backwards reads but I don't think he's scum actually

There's are all the people I want ro call out by name apparently, I can't think of any other examples

I want ABR to contribute
I want Leon to say words again too

I basically have a big beautiful wall of town and a blobby bunch of "who are you people" and not nearly enough scum fucks to gun for.

Why are we lynching with 10 days left

Notice are you still here

Please engage me

Notice me, senpai-NoticeMeSenpai

@Titusblade

I'm pretty sure yuri is town here

I'm not feeling good about abr scum and kinda feel like the tiff that you and him are having is entirely personal and not game related

That is all

Elbrin how do you feel about Beeboy.

VOTE: Beeboy

ABR should be objecting to Caesar's pushing as scum because it's his style of posting and his scum strategy and he isn't.

he quoted a bunch of flavour from towngames

He posts it in short bursts as town. He combined a few things to make it more look volumous. I did a selected sample. You can compare the two in ISO if you want a fuller picture. ABR would be objecting to this type of behavior if town because its his scumgame.

Don't rock the boat.
Try to pressure things but not really.
Post long flavor garbage that makes shit harder and easier to buddy by name.

So to be clear
Abr is scum because you've applied his meta to another player.

10/10

The doubt has been cast.

This wagon will either confirm it or clear them.

Win or loose, we still win.

No we don't. We lose a town and let ABR fracture us.

That's a huge loss to me.

"Disagreeing with Titus" =/= "Fractured town"

ABR should recognize that Caesar is scum because Caesar is using his playbook.

Oh Titus, my poor, sweet titus.

*sits down, grabs titus' hands**looks into eyes*

You don't make ANY fucking sense, darling.

You encounter scum playing your idea scum strategy, do you defend them? Yes or no?

My ideal scum strategy isn't necessarily someone else's scum strategy

Also being overly flavorful is
1. Not some sort of scum mastermind plan
2. Is verifiably not alignment indicative for ABR

And is such a fucking weird thing for you to push on

ABR should recognize that Caesar is scum because Caesar is using his playbook.

Oh Titus, my poor, sweet titus.

*sits down, grabs titus' hands**looks into eyes*

You don't make ANY fucking sense, darling.

You encounter scum playing your idea scum strategy, do you defend them? Yes or no?

My ideal scum strategy isn't necessarily someone else's scum strategy

Also being overly flavorful is
1. Not some sort of scum mastermind plan
2. Is verifiably not alignment indicative for ABR

And is such a fucking weird thing for you to push on

I literally just cased it awhile back.

He overly flavorly spams with Player names as scum.
He avoids conflict deliberately and randomly needles. He advised us to do that in our Cyberpunk PT.

Yet, when Caesar does that, it's no problem.

Dude are you just fucking scum obscuring this?

But he flavors as town too and gave examples of it. I also don't see how including names or not matters or just omg what is this conversation

When I'm scum I pick my nose and wipe it on the couch. Except I also do that when I'm town. And ABR farted on the pillows HE IS SCUM LYNCH HIM NOW

or if you guys really think there is scum in the lurkers we could always lynch Elbrin.

I'm still 20 pages back

What's happening?

What's happening?

I have a light gut scumread on you.

vote Nebby with me.

God, no.

or if you guys really think there is scum in the lurkers we could always lynch Elbrin.

I'm still 20 pages back

What's happening?

Caesar is finally getting rope.

~Titus

FOUR LEGS GOOD
VOTE: Caesar

You know what, fuck it. I'm not reading 40 pages of stupid bullshit and noise, you can all go fuck yourselves

UNVOTE:

The game begins now.

Hi everyone

we are out of RVS, sheep me

Whom am I sheeping you onto, newfriend?

Forgot some more things
208 also is like "Eh, he's just wrong"
2800 is basicly "Engage me, but I'm not going to ask you anything hahahahaha lol XDDDDDDDD"
3718 he disregards the meta usage on ABR but uses meta to analyze me? Huh?
-Nebby

Cut down the Elbrin quotes so it's easier to read.
-Nebby
pedit:I hopped off ABR for Beeboy because I wanted the day to end and I scumread Beeboy for his play because he wasn't making attempts to lay down pressure, and for some reason he didn't want to obvtown himself.

[Akane and Nebby]

Also what about his ISO isn't pretty?

@Nancy

Also @LUV what do you think of my Elbrin case?
-Nebby

[Caesar Wills It]

Patricians and Senators, citizens all, it is a day of mourning throughout Imperial Rome!

Our beloved Great-Uncle, Julius Caesar, has gone to explore the heroic Fields of Elysium under the patronage of Great Mars. In his will, He has named Us His adopted Son and sole heir, and We inherit His titles, style, and responsibility as sole Emperor.

Senators DEO and Spiffeh also enter the Halls of Pluto this sad day, and we regret their passing. It is with a heavy heart that we welcome their deputies, Senator Mathblade and Senator nancy, to Our conclave. Senator Mathblade, as DEO's successor, is inherits Our admiration for his predecessor's loyalty. We feel We shall quickly come to a Judgment of her motives, as we have had dealings with her prior to her elevation to the Senate.

Our full views shall be expounded upon in a short time, in a dedicated speech to the Senate, but We wish to comment now on two things.

First, it is to Our great relief and happiness that the Senate's discourse has

finally

slowed to a point where We may remain fully caught up. We are current in the Senate's affairs, and from this point on, barring another absurd sequences of outbursts in a short period, you may expect your Glorious Emperor to take a fully active role in the Senate's affairs.

Second, we have had second thoughts of our suspicion of Senator Rampage, and shall be reviewing the Senate's records on him to make a determination as to whether Our initial impression or our later doubts were in the right.

Long live the Empire!

Spoiler: Grumbles and yowls for the reading imparied

Ugh, this translation gig again?

In short, Caesar is sad to see the people who replaced out go, but is gladdened by the replacements. Titus, we love you, but please never hydra with Math again. Math, of course, remains a TR. nancy, it's good to see you again, welcome to this utter shitshow of a thread. Please be Town.

I am fully caught up and will be assembling a much longer reads post over the next few hours.

I am absolutely delighted that in the last half day or so, the pace has slowed down to where I can actively stay abreast of new developments. I had a very busy day today, so I wasn't able to post in detail, but I'm putting together a wallpost.

I'm getting cold feet on my read of ABR. I need to ISO dive him a bit to figure out whether my initial SR or recent Townvibes are right.

Don't expect these translations to continue too much longer. I'm mostly doing this to mock the people who are too lazy to read Caesar's eloquent ramblings, and that's likely to get old pretty quickly. Plus writing a post twice is boring and inefficient.

[Nero Cain]

scumreading Nero atm since his 4444 looks like a case of putting the cart before the horse in their read on you, but I'll have to catch up to see if he answered me

you are going to have to explain how his 3772 and 3669 are not blaming ABR then. Though I actully do agree with him that you just waltzing in and finding one subject to talk about is kinda scummy.

[ssbm_Kyouko]

Guess what...

Stonehenge doesn't kill the treestump!!

It only cops them!!

So scum have to waste a kill on the IC treestump or we get a scum lynch.

~~Math

If scum know who treestump is they KNOW to kill elsewhere and hit something/someone more valuable.

THE WHOLE POINT OF TREESTUMP IS TO DRAW A SCUM KILL AND MAKE IT USELESS

YOU DIDN'T EVEN FUCKING READ WHAT I SAID

If the player that has the Pyramids gets Stonehenged then they will become an IC that

can't

be removed from the game by scum killing them though. What you're saying is partially true, but the

entire

point of Pyramids is not to waste a scum kill, it has the added benefit of being able to stay in the game to talk even if killed.

If the only purpose of a role was to waste a scum kill it would be something like a BP or Commuter role.

[Lil Uzi Vert]

Don't do cases, just reasons:

ABR derailing the Yuri wagon and advocating for obvious town Bee to be lynched
ABR's constant fighting with The DEO (mainly Titus head before she replaced out)
ABR's read on me after mod already said everyone starts off Vanilla
ABR's reads don't feel genuine and the lack of conviction from him screams volumes