Civilization Mafia [GAME OVER]

Nahdia · Post Post #6225 (ISO) » Fri Feb 17, 2017 1:23 pm

Lynch Vote 2.10

Vecna (7):

Caesar Wills It, Nero Cain, Albert B. Rampage, Elbirn, Brian Skies, nancy, Creature

Albert B. Rampage (4):

Lil Uzi Vert, Mathblade, Vecna, davesaz

ssbm_Kyouko (4):

Yuri, Leonshade, Maxous, Akane and Nebby

Caesar Wills It (1):

NoticeMeSenpai

Creature (1):

Sondam

Not Voting (2):

ssbm_Kyouko, PeregrineV

With 19 players alive, it takes 10 to lynch by majority.
Lynch deadline is in (expired on 2017-02-28 16:35:13), at which point we will default to no lynch.

NoticeMeSenpai · Post Post #6226 (ISO) » Fri Feb 17, 2017 1:38 pm

In post 6126, Caesar Wills It wrote:
Senator Senpai, we have explained Our Reasoning in Our initial missive condemning the traitor Vecna. However, We shall grant your request, despite the impertinent manner of your plea.

Vecna, once a Senator, a respected member of this conclave, has used his exalted position to manipulate the destiny of Imperial Rome to his own advantage. We find that, in the first session of the Senate, he attempted to emerge as a leading voice in this body, directing the Senate where he wished. While it is fair to say that others misattribute the final push to condemn the belated Senator Beeboy to Vecna, and that that crime belongs to others, such a final push would not have been possible without ample groundwork being laid by the heathen Vecna. To disavow himself of the sad result is dishonest and utterly unrealistic, an abdication of his responsibility for this tragedy.

Further, we find the apostate Vecna's agenda to be wholly self-serving. He has repeatedly, on occasions too numerous to recount in a cogent fashion, demonstrated concern for himself over the welfare of the Roman people. We regard with disgust his propensity to counter-attack those who criticize him, seemingly without regard for the facts of the case. He has consistently reacted to judicious suspicion of his person with outrage and over-the-top false rage at his detractors.

Finally, we point to his recent antics, in which he flails about and lashes out at anyone in reach to blame his woes upon. He appeals writ large to the emotions of other Senators, attempting to sway them not with logic but with crocodile tears. We find the act of casting a vote against himself contemptible, and his quick removal of said vote cringe-worthy.

We command all loyal Senators to consider Our words and vote in accordance with your duty to Rome and your Emperor.

Augustus Caesar

Spoiler: A translator for the weak of mind
The case against Vecna is very simple. He has been manipulative and self-serving, and has tried to disavow himself of the beeboy wagon that he drove. Yes, he moved on to ABR at the end of the day, but I interpret that to be an attempt to distance himself from an impending mislynch. It remains to be seen whether he was pushing a second mislynch in ABR or soft-bussing. I suspect the latter, supported by the fact that his overenthusiastic rage for ABR at the end of D1 (remember when he declared a gladiator against ABR, and vetoed any votes not for ABR?) has evaporated into a haze of OMGUS against anyone who dares oppose him. Who's the new target? Maxous? Please. And holy AtE, Batman. It's so blatant and consistent that it can't be anything but intentional. Did you see that self-vote?

Scum.

O Glorious Caesar, Great Emperor of Rome and most noble of pushers. I hereby rescind my vote for you, as it was designed to probe your intentions towards Senator Vecna rather than condemn your majesty.

UNVOTE:

Senator NoticeMeSenpai apologizes for the impertinent manner of our request. We merely believe that Senator Vecna has indeed attempted a great service towards Senator The DEO, and therefore towards Imperial Rome, through attempting to ease the infighting. While We do not believe that your push has ill intent, We did feel that additional reasoning was required in order for Us to make that decision as We have been doubting Our reads as of late. We cannot in good faith follow your missive at this point in time, as Senator Vecna has done something We just cannot see coming from one who is disloyal to the Senate.

I greatly fear, O Caesar, that Senator Vecna's impertinence and attitude towards you has caused a rift which creates the false impression of barbarity and disloyalty between you. In other words, I find you both to be loyal to the Empire, and worry that your dispute benefits only the Barbarians at the gate. I ask that you both put up your swords, and hear my compromise.

We beg thee to take a second look through the scrolls that hold Maxous' contributions to the Senate. At first voting a proposal that could very well allow those exhibiting disloyal tendencies to better control the vote count of Our fine Democracy (of which you rightfully should hold all votes, Your Greatness, and yet you kindly allow those lower than you to partake in such affairs). Scroll #423 in particular comes across as barbaric and lazy, both traits of which I believe we can agree hold no place in our Great Empire. #474 after not presenting any arguments as to how Arts would further progress for the Senate rather than potentially impede us merely feels like an easy way to jump on the None wagon.

This is just the beginning of Maxous' scrolls in isolation, and already We feel great concern for as to where his loyalties lie. #564 feels disingenuous as Senator Spiffeh's fear appeared to be very much real during the Resolution voting, and indeed other loyal Senators had backed that our poor Senator Spiffeh was traumatized by an event in the past. In #643 Senator Maxous backtracks on the Senator Yuri read as a joke, and yet provides no alternative reasoning for continuing the read as it was prior stated. #681 is a misrep of the good Senator Spiffeh in that he was merely questioning Senator Titus' motivations for pushing the Science resolution while not addressing his concerns, as she was also involved in the past traumatic battle of PyP.

VOTE: Maxous

nancy · Post Post #6227 (ISO) » Fri Feb 17, 2017 1:51 pm

Indeed, Caesar, I do not envy your task. I have lightly perused those scrolls in isolation and find them to be capable of various interpretation, however there is very little that pleases me about the lout. I am currently mid-way through the process of examining the 249 scrolls that have amassed thus far in the records of the various activities and proclamations of the Senators in the Court, with the 117th scroll being presently at hand. It is in this context, taking into account the actions that disrupted the good efforts of the Senate in coalition and eradication of the barbarians, that I am rather convinced that the matter produced by the Senator Albert shows him to be no better than a drawlatch hoyden deserving of flaggelation and death.

pedit ahh Senpaiiii

Caesar Wills It · Post Post #6228 (ISO) » Fri Feb 17, 2017 2:10 pm

Senators, while your homage to our style and manner of speech is most gratifying, We remind you that We are fluent in the vernacular, and such efforts are neither required nor likely to curry you Our Favor. We also are put in mind of the disharmony of a musical note which is nearly right, but is dissonantly flat. Such a musical note serves not to add to the melody, but to distract from it. We advise you of lower birth not to hurt yourselves in your attempts to flatter Us.

Senator nancy, We shall take your position under advisement when We begin the arduous task of adjudicating Senator Rampage's guilt or innocence. Your candor is appreciated.

Senator Senpai, We continue to disagree with your assessment of the traitor Vecna, but you have Our Attention. Waste it not.

davesaz · Post Post #6229 (ISO) » Fri Feb 17, 2017 2:16 pm

Making a note at bottom of 247: why did ssbm-kuyoko wagon take off all of a sudden?

MathBlade · Post Post #6230 (ISO) » Fri Feb 17, 2017 2:30 pm

But Senator Caesar, what if that made our insides erupt with glorious laughter?

Then may we continue to use the vernacular ?

I am still AFK but I hope to get to this later tonight.

Akane and Nebby · Post Post #6231 (ISO) » Fri Feb 17, 2017 2:49 pm

Dave because he's a scumread of mine.
Also
VOTE: Vecna
-Nebby

Nero Cain · Post Post #6232 (ISO) » Fri Feb 17, 2017 3:30 pm

In post 6215, Leonshade wrote:like still scumreading Math and nancy after their respective replace outs)

Why are Titus' and Spiff replaceouts obvtown?

Elbirn · Post Post #6233 (ISO) » Fri Feb 17, 2017 5:30 pm

In post 6189, Vecna wrote: The posts closely before and after that one were reason for me to question my read, but that post i quoted was the main reason since it isbt the way scum reason

Again....As if I were five. Which posts. Why aren't they the way scum reason.

MathBlade · Post Post #6234 (ISO) » Fri Feb 17, 2017 6:22 pm

I am going to setup my computer now.

I have a few other things to do then I will get started on this.

Please don't hammer Vecna while I do this or I will be extremely pissed.

After words I will leave a last will of sorts in case Town does shoot me. (I don't think scum will as it would give credence to my case and they have been working towards destroying Titus and my credibility. But if scum and Town do hey one less townie dead.)

Elbirn · Post Post #6235 (ISO) » Fri Feb 17, 2017 6:46 pm

UNVOTE:

I'm moving into an apartment tomorrow!
Unfortunately that means I'm busy all day and won't have wifi setup until Sunday morning when the tech comes to do something that I could have done but comcast won't let me

Anyway point is look, don't hammer anyone until I've checked in. I'll keep up when able to from my phones data, but between moving my life about and I'm trying to let vecna wriggle out of this anyway because I am a just and fair ruler just don't kill no one

MathBlade · Post Post #6236 (ISO) » Fri Feb 17, 2017 8:24 pm

FYI if anyone needs my "hack" later here it is:

http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... view=print

It gives all of Nahdia's posts in a nice easy to read format and can be copy pasted and just put

Name here

and

Name here

and do a find replace and spoiler it.

You'll need to ISO the moderator
http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... 9#p8878370

highlight the user select portion including the ampersand

&user_select[]=27489

then paste it directly before &view=print

It isn't perfect you'll still have to do some cleanup but it gives a nice votable list for VCAs.

MathBlade · Post Post #6237 (ISO) » Fri Feb 17, 2017 8:25 pm

In post 6236, MathBlade wrote:FYI if anyone needs my "hack" later here it is:

http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... view=print

It gives all of Nahdia's posts in a nice easy to read format and can be copy pasted and just put [**color=green]Name here[/color] and [**color=red]Name here[/color] and do a find replace and spoiler it.

You'll need to ISO the moderator
http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... 9#p8878370

highlight the user select portion including the ampersand

&user_select[]=27489

then paste it directly before &view=print

It isn't perfect you'll still have to do some cleanup but it gives a nice votable list for VCAs.

Bah EBWOP remove the stars when doing the find replace.

ssbm_Kyouko · Post Post #6238 (ISO) » Fri Feb 17, 2017 8:27 pm

In post 5896, Yuri wrote:
In post 5877, ssbm_Kyouko wrote:Yeah, that was my only reason. It's also not lame in context of when I placed it
in 5852 when u were asked why u SRed beeboy you literally gave that one instance and nothing else so yeah
if you had other reasons lets see em

Wtf, you literally quoted the post where I said that was my only reason for voting beeboy and asked if I had other reasons. I didn't, and that was fine at the time I placed that vote. It was Night by the time I got back to the site

ssbm_Kyouko · Post Post #6239 (ISO) » Fri Feb 17, 2017 8:28 pm

^VOTE: Yuri

MathBlade · Post Post #6240 (ISO) » Fri Feb 17, 2017 8:41 pm

Vote counts for each day.

Spoiler: D1 VCs with beeboy, Frogger and The DEO colored

Spoiler: Day 2 VCs with MathBlade and The DEO colored

MathBlade · Post Post #6241 (ISO) » Fri Feb 17, 2017 9:17 pm

None (11): Lil Uzi Vert, Vecna, Sondam, Spiffeh, Albert B. Rampage, Elbirn, Leonshade, Akane and Nebby, Maxous,

beeboy

,

The DEO

beeboy

(11): ssbm_Kyouko, PeregrineV, Spiffeh, Elbirn, Albert B. Rampage,

Fro99er

, Creature, Akane and Nebby, Leonshade, Drixx, Yuri
Natural (10): Maxous,

The DEO

, Akane and Nebby, Spiffeh, Drixx, Albert B. Rampage, Vecna, Creature, Leonshade, NoticeMeSenpai

These are the three completed wagons

Now we go through and tally how many wagons each player was on. If they are not on this list it is 0 or I made a mistake. I'm doing this faster than usual so if I made a mistake anywhere feel free to let me know.

LUV - 1
Vecna - 2
Sondam - 1
Spiffeh - 3
ABR - 3
Elbrin - 2
Leonshade - 3
A&N - 3
Maxous - 2
Beeboy - 1 -- conftown dead
The DEO - 2
SSBM - 1
PV - 1
Frogger - 1 - conftown dead
Creature - 2
Drixx - 2
Yuri - 1
Senpai - 1

This means with 19 players in this list two players aren't on it at all. Notably Caesar and Nero Cain.

MathBlade · Post Post #6242 (ISO) » Fri Feb 17, 2017 9:19 pm

whoops forgot davesaz too. So three people need looking at. This is what happens when you do stuff fast sometimes.

MathBlade · Post Post #6243 (ISO) » Fri Feb 17, 2017 9:44 pm

If every lynch was a struggle to a hammer I'd say multiple people off all the wagons could be scum then I would say that. But the resolutions go insanely fast. It's for this reason I'm thinking at most one of davesaz, Caesar, and Nero Cain could be scum.

I'd also like to submit that the ooba slot davesaz submitted into seemed to flake and lose interest. Based on this I'd like to submit of the lurkers it's probably not dave. (And I use lurker here to mean "active lurking" rather than not posting here. ) Caesar/Pine role plays a lot and is generally a lower content poster. So if any of those three people are scum I'd hypothesize it'd be Nero Cain if I'm wrong on any of my scumreads. Simply because he's not really all that present in the resolution points and doesn't talk too much about the active wagons. However my read on him is derp!Town for pushing A&N.

Also of the people on all three wagons I doubt all of them could be scum. Spiffeh/nancy, Leonshade, and ABR, and A&N. At most 3 of these are scum. There's no way all of them would be scum here. So this scum team is eliminated. Spiffeh/nancy being at the front end of all of them may mean my scumread of that slot was originally wrong. Combined with how nancy has dramatically changed the slot of Spiffeh means either A) Spiffeh was scum and he was genuine and my reads were wrong ish. or B) Spiffeh was town and thought my reads are wrong ish but my reads are right ish. I'm going to hold off judgment on that slot. Leonshade towards the middle on none combined with the ISO of Leonshade doesn't really worry me all that much. How he states agreements and disagreements quickly makes me really like the slot. Then we have ABR and A&N. A&N's distribution doesn't really beget one of a scum mentality. Beeboy lynch was apathy and people just started hopping on at the end. End of that wagon is literally NAI as fuck. This leaves ABR who pretty much has been a waffling scumread of mine for a while. Combined with the "middle of the road" spot in VCAs despite being a vocal player is scary.

Vecna · Post Post #6244 (ISO) » Fri Feb 17, 2017 9:56 pm

In post 6228, Caesar Wills It wrote:
Senators, while your homage to our style and manner of speech is most gratifying, We remind you that We are fluent in the vernacular, and such efforts are neither required nor likely to curry you Our Favor. We also are put in mind of the disharmony of a musical note which is nearly right, but is dissonantly flat. Such a musical note serves not to add to the melody, but to distract from it. We advise you of lower birth not to hurt yourselves in your attempts to flatter Us.

Senator nancy, We shall take your position under advisement when We begin the arduous task of adjudicating Senator Rampage's guilt or innocence. Your candor is appreciated.

Senator Senpai, We continue to disagree with your assessment of the traitor Vecna, but you have Our Attention. Waste it not.

Please adress my longass recent post

Vecna · Post Post #6245 (ISO) » Fri Feb 17, 2017 9:57 pm

In post 6231, Akane and Nebby wrote:Dave because he's a scumread of mine.
Also
VOTE: Vecna
-Nebby

Anoter person townreading me all game jumping aboard with zero reasoning given while wanting to lynch ceasar before if im not mistaken.

Townread instantly dissolved.

MathBlade · Post Post #6246 (ISO) » Fri Feb 17, 2017 10:04 pm

Now let's segment out all the people that were on one and two of the wagons. This one is more of a non alignment indicative grey area. Without a narrative it's harder to place where each person belongs.

LUV, Sondam, SSBM, PV, Yuri, Senpai are all one vote people who are not confirmed town.

Then there's Vecna, Elbrin, Maxous, Creature and Drixx who are not confirmed town. I'm not scumhunting myself. Get over it

This is already an insane amount of work.

Now with the one vote people and two vote people looking at the end vote count on Beeboy. Piling on Beeboy is literally NAI (as mentioned before)

So revising this we have
Drixx/Brian Skies to a one voter wagon. The way he had Pyramids and I had to say this the replace out are pretty townie as fuck.
Creature stays on the 2 wagon vote pool (and anyone before him is not apathy) as Creature's ISO has genuine reasons for the vote.
Yuri goes down to a 0 wagon vote pool
-- Out of the zero voters I scumread Yuri a hell of a lot more than I do Nero atm. But If I'm wrong on Yuri, Nero is a good bet too. He could be faking the town Derpiness.

This means LUV, Sondam, SSBM, PV, Senpai and Drixx.
Drixx is obv town for obvious reasons.
Sondam is pretty much obv town because of her entrance but if I'm wrong on LUV (more on that in a minute) then Sondam is a pretty good place to start.
SSBM is lurky and low activity. Probably didn't notice the wagon shifts and had a genuine read on Beeboy from their ISO. Probably town.
PV is town by entrance. I don't see any active collusion or distancing here.
Senpai is a townread for right now but could also be buddying me with Nancy. It just feels to genuine to be scummy right now. However the vote push on Vecna and backing off is making me reconsider this townblock thing the way they both did it. I want to see these two both on a scum wagon before I get too comfortable.
LUV I just don't see as town at this point. Combined with the push on none and his post on beeboy 1583 I scumread LUV pretty hard atm. The LUV spot based on studying meta uses "gut" and "ping" a lot to describe their scum meta and makes more expansive (although not by much) points on this here. I just don't like how LUV's posting is in general right now.

Leonshade · Post Post #6247 (ISO) » Fri Feb 17, 2017 10:12 pm

In post 6229, davesaz wrote:Making a note at bottom of 247: why did ssbm-kuyoko wagon take off all of a sudden?

Multiple players have been scumreading them, but they never seemed like a viable wagon before. Unfortunately the wagon stalled.

In post 6232, Nero Cain wrote:
In post 6215, Leonshade wrote:like still scumreading Math and nancy after their respective replace outs)
Why are Titus' and Spiff replaceouts obvtown?

Spiffeh replaced out because of the claims and other things he perceived as stupid play, which he'd have no reason to do if he was scum (as stupid town play would be advantageous to them). The slot hasn't seemed scummy otherwise, either.

The DEO's public arguments, leading to one of them replacing out, were either a particularly devious and unsportsmanlike scum tactic, or town. I don't believe the former is at all likely, therefore the slot is town. Otherwise, what's the motivation to replace out there? If their tactic was working as planned (and it was, they were a near-universal TR), they could have easily kept it going.

Leonshade · Post Post #6248 (ISO) » Fri Feb 17, 2017 10:14 pm

In post 6238, ssbm_Kyouko wrote:
In post 5896, Yuri wrote:
In post 5877, ssbm_Kyouko wrote:Yeah, that was my only reason. It's also not lame in context of when I placed it
in 5852 when u were asked why u SRed beeboy you literally gave that one instance and nothing else so yeah
if you had other reasons lets see em
Wtf, you literally quoted the post where I said that was my only reason for voting beeboy and asked if I had other reasons. I didn't, and that was fine at the time I placed that vote. It was Night by the time I got back to the site

In post 6239, ssbm_Kyouko wrote:^VOTE: Yuri

Yeah, Kyouko is scum. Let's lynch them D3.

VOTE: ABR

MathBlade · Post Post #6249 (ISO) » Fri Feb 17, 2017 10:14 pm

Vecna, Elbrin, Maxous, Creature

Vecna's waffle on beeboy makes it hard to tell if he belongs with the 3 wagon group (meaning more likely scum) or the 2 wagon group genuinely (more likely town) going to punt til I get to the more indepth parts.
Elbrin I hate to say is another punt. I waffle back and forth. So does my inner gut. It's annoying. Plus A&N's blame Math post about their Elbrin read has me skeptical as fuck. Why the hell would you blame me for your reads? You hardly talk to me. If nancy and Senpai are buddying me A&N goes to the scum list.
Maxous I'm pretty sure is town so that's good. Ending on None and the natural push and not on the beeboy wagon. I love post 6130. Pretty good town read.
Creature I waffle on. He seems like he's trying to get a wagon everyone will agree on rather than something useful.