Civilization Mafia [GAME OVER]

[PeregrineV]

Oh right, thought you had only Dave/SSBM/me/Elbirn as scumreads.

I think that was her response to my quesiton "What if all of your primary scumreads are town?".

[PeregrineV]

im very tired

like idk maybe nebby isnt scum. i thought his read change on me was to go with thw flow but at least it looks like he's thinking about new ideas as they occur and just kind of spitting them out, instead of defending readings by saying he's had them all game

which is also bunk bc the best way to make me less confident in someone is if theyre dont reevaluate their reads

i still think Uzi is town, that thing he pulled w trying for my main would just get him in deep shit if i did get frustrated enough to reveal it. dont see the point as scum at all

Luv is the most obvious town of anyone in this game. How people can scumread him i truely do not see.

@Uzi- Why does Vecna townread you so hard?

[Caesar Wills It]

We absolutely despise that question, Senator Peregrine. We find it to be trite and meaningless, used most often to falsely paint a loyal Senator confident of their position as weak and uncertain. We have several times considered banning its utterance from Our Hearing.

Mighty Caesar welcomes you back to these chambers, Senator Peregrine. What say you of the criminal Vecna?

[PeregrineV]

Elbrin why did I scumread you again?

You didn't like my Simpsons avatar

But seriously, what are your thoughts of Akane dropping their hard case for your lynch (and thier read on you, apparently)?

[PeregrineV]

My son had an orchestra concert and we went out to dinner after -- and I fell asleep at the computer after getting home. 8 hours and ~15-20 pages later...

New thing to research -- what was the VC when Vecna went nuts? Was there an apparently unstoppable wagon build in progress that disagreed with what Vecna had been pushing before that point? That would be the only possible scum motivation, and a heck of a gamble if scum. I can see town doing it for a very good reason, which I won't go into yet...

My ABR townread is rescinded. What initially looked like righteous indignation at a vendetta now reeks of trying to shake loose of being caught for the wrong reason. The timing (just as a L-1 was reached and a town replacement appeared) and trajectory (saying practically nothing of value before that) does not look town at all.

I continue to think Creature could be scum trying to act town, but it might just be a playstyle thing. I'm willing to listen to townreads for now.
UNVOTE:

pedit: sleep it off please. I don't mean that to be preachy or anything, just worried that clouded mind -> actions you'll regret later.

The wagon was heading towards Beeboy. Ive indicated willingness to vote this slot (and I shall if ABR fails) - BUT I feel we have a way way stronger likelyhood of getting scum by lynching ABR.

I know people dont like to be forced to vote a certain way, or be forced to think about a certain issue - But I fell it had to happen.

And anyone that thinks im scum for it; riddle me this (especially MariaR and Gerry) - Would I ever out myself as scum just to save a teammate? Would I ever put my ass on the line as scum for anyone? Or is my ego too big and do I think if anyone's going to win it for a scumteam it would be scumvecna? Or would I rather happily bus them instead to further my own goals?

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ABR has been lurking with only random comments untill last night. UNTILL TITUS KEPT CALLING OUT THAT SHE WANTS ABR LYNCHED.

Then within a short timeframe:
- the slot pretends to want to be replaced
-starts attacking Titus (which I know from personal experience is the easiest way to turn off her rational side and start a pissing contest that is BAD for town)
-starts appealing to everyone in Titus' townblock and influence their vote
-Notices people are getting suspicion so wants to push for Beeboy.
-After I throw down the gauntless, he uses FROGGER's assumption that im scum to agree to a bandwagon - directly trying to divert blame to frogger because he knows ill flip town
-Lies about me not being his townread just before
-Doesnt think about any town-sided reasoning for what im doing, but just claims to sheep Frogger
-Then realizes even if he wins the 1v1 with me, he'll die tomorrow
-Switches back to Beeboy

This is manipulative. There is ZERO townreasoning I can think of for any of this (if im wrong, please -do- enlighten me.

Maybe I shouldve approached this in a different way, but ive noticed several times before in the posting frenzy that 50% of the posts get ignored. Ive literally asked 15-20 questions last night that went unanswered. This was the way to bring attention to my issue.

Math, I directly appeal to you as well. You know that the best way to derail Titus is by personal attacks and by discrediting her work/reads/results. She just goes off on you, and all town will be "silly TvT battle". Ive done it before, its super effective as scum.

ABR - NEEDS - ROPE

To make it easier to find later.

[PeregrineV]

leon/creature/sodam/dave/????? team?

That is not supported by VCA at all Nero.

What was your final conclusion from the VCA you did?

[PeregrineV]

Why react to my vote on you but not Skies and Sodom?

3rd vote- the dreaded scum spot.

[PeregrineV]

We absolutely despise that question, Senator Peregrine. We find it to be trite and meaningless, used most often to falsely paint a loyal Senator confident of their position as weak and uncertain. We have several times considered banning its utterance from Our Hearing.

Mighty Caesar welcomes you back to these chambers, Senator Peregrine. What say you of the criminal Vecna?

Math had 5 players who I think are probably town as her scumteam, not to mention teaming them altogether (blech). SO I asked the question, resulting in the 2nd tier, and the designation of her "hard townreads".

Not sure Vecna is scum. Early game really came across as town. Aside from overposting like a a dissonant hydra, haven't found anything particularly scummy (until the ATE).

Plus he made an ABR case that I might go look at. And supposedly checked ABR's "vacation" story.

[Caesar Wills It]

We also find this superstition regarding the number three as disloyal to be tiresome, outdated, and invalid, Senator Peregrine. Would the Senator care to spout any more tired old aphorisms?

[MathBlade]

leon/creature/sodam/dave/????? team?

That is not supported by VCA at all Nero.

What was your final conclusion from the VCA you did?

Quite honestly I stopped half way through considering how late it was and I kept getting interrupted and no one seemed to care. I'd rather push Caesar.

[PeregrineV]

We also find this superstition regarding the number three as disloyal to be tiresome, outdated, and invalid, Senator Peregrine. Would the Senator care to spout any more tired old aphorisms?

A bird in the hand is worth two in the bush.

[MathBlade]

Why react to my vote on you but not Skies and Sodom?

3rd vote- the dreaded scum spot.

Site meta shifted from that. Most scum avoid the third spot now like the plague.

[PeregrineV]

We also find this superstition regarding the number three as disloyal to be tiresome, outdated, and invalid, Senator Peregrine. Would the Senator care to spout any more tired old aphorisms?

We will sell no wine before it's time.

[PeregrineV]

We also find this superstition regarding the number three as disloyal to be tiresome, outdated, and invalid, Senator Peregrine. Would the Senator care to spout any more tired old aphorisms?

How much wood could a woodchuck chuck if a woodchuck could chuck wood?

[MathBlade]

Or they will have a scum buddy unvote just to change the order and come back on. Like the positioining is relevant in terms of front or back and consistency. Not so much the exact spot.

[PeregrineV]

Why react to my vote on you but not Skies and Sodom?

3rd vote- the dreaded scum spot.

Site meta shifted from that. Most scum avoid the third spot now like the plague.

I know. It's mostly shifted to the fourth spot. (Mostly depends on game size).

[Caesar Wills It]

Most traitors are stupid. This superstition is just that - superstition. And avoiding such for similar reasons is just as stupid.

[PeregrineV]

Or they will have a scum buddy unvote just to change the order and come back on. Like the positioining is relevant in terms of front or back and consistency. Not so much the exact spot.

Yes. Please don't overanalyze.

Instead, look at the fact of what Nero had to say. Why did he vote draw criticism that the first 2 did not?

[PeregrineV]

Most traitors are stupid. This superstition is just that - superstition. And avoiding such for similar reasons is just as stupid.

Powerful argument.

If I were voting Nero for being scum for being the third vote.

Which I'm not.

So........

[MathBlade]

Or they will have a scum buddy unvote just to change the order and come back on. Like the positioining is relevant in terms of front or back and consistency. Not so much the exact spot.

Yes. Please don't overanalyze.

Instead, look at the fact of what Nero had to say. Why did he vote draw criticism that the first 2 did not?

Because it's Nero???

Like?? I don't get the question.

[Maxous]

I've lost my appetite for a Vecna Lynch and I'm certainly no longer dealing with Vecna vs ABR shit.
Can we just lynch Kyouko please?

I don't really see a Kyouko wagon being something I would be interested in with 6 scumreads right now.

Do me a favour Math.
Write out a summary of why Kyouko is voting Yuri right now.

[MathBlade]

Yeah, that was my only reason. It's also not lame in context of when I placed it

in 5852 when u were asked why u SRed beeboy you literally gave that one instance and nothing else so yeah
if you had other reasons lets see em

Wtf, you literally quoted the post where I said that was my only reason for voting beeboy and asked if I had other reasons. I didn't, and that was fine at the time I placed that vote. It was Night by the time I got back to the site

They accused Yuri misrepping their slot and they couldn't do anything because it was night. The accusation makes sense they have no posts I can find then, Will have to double check.

[Pine]

lol

When you sober up, just edit my post and drop this in. Drop it into PV's quote too, if you're feeling skippy. For some reason, my browser is lopping off the http://www. part of the address. I'll have it fixed eventually, just an annoyance for now.

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[color=#0000FF][b]We absolutely despise [url=http://www.mafiascum.net/forum//viewtopic.php?p=8884022#p8884022]that question[/url], Senator Peregrine. We find it to be trite and meaningless, used most often to falsely paint a loyal Senator confident of their position as weak and uncertain. We have several times considered banning its utterance from Our Hearing.

Mighty Caesar welcomes you back to these chambers, Senator Peregrine. What say you of the criminal Vecna?[/b][/color]

[Nero Cain]

dat coach from PV

[Pine]

lol

When you sober up, just edit my post and drop this in. Drop it into PV's quote too, if you're feeling skippy. For some reason, my browser is lopping off the http://www. part of the address. I'll have it fixed eventually, just an annoyance for now.

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[color=#0000FF][b]We absolutely despise [url=http://www.mafiascum.net/forum//viewtopic.php?p=8884022#p8884022]that question[/url], Senator Peregrine. We find it to be trite and meaningless, used most often to falsely paint a loyal Senator confident of their position as weak and uncertain. We have several times considered banning its utterance from Our Hearing.

Mighty Caesar welcomes you back to these chambers, Senator Peregrine. What say you of the criminal Vecna?[/b][/color]

...supposed to be a PM to mod.

@Nahdia Please delete these two posts. They were obvi meant to be a PM

When you're sober, ofc.