Timeshift Mafia III [Game Over]

[James3]

I caught you.

then why weren't you killed before you could out the guilty?

Possibly Fitz tried to make the kill and was RBed. Possibly I was healed. Possibly mafia couldn't kill tonight or they deemed someone else higher priority n1.

[James3]

Comm's defense depends on there being a Mafia Bus Driver who just so happened to target the same person as him at random.

Redirector more likely. It would completely control Comm's target.

There's still no evidence of there being a vigilante (or a redirector) though.

[havingfitz]

redirector have 1 weak spot - where mafia kill? Or Mafia used not timeshifted kill N1 and then normal kill on N2 was delayed to N3?

If there really is a vig...where is the vig kill? Would a role cop include role modifiers?

[Ramcius]

redirector have 1 weak spot - where mafia kill? Or Mafia used not timeshifted kill N1 and then normal kill on N2 was delayed to N3?

If there really is a vig...where is the vig kill? Would a role cop include role modifiers?

in difference from mafia, vig don't have to shot people straight away on N1, so i don't worry that much for missing kill from possibly not existing in this game role

[TTTT]

VOTE: Comm

Still think Vifam/RC slot is town Almost 50 looks nice aswell so does Fliz TTTT was someone I was gonna tr but I looked at that game he linked and he plays quite well as scum so iffy to tr that slot.

I haven't linked any of my scum games
whatchoo talking 'bout?

[TTTT]

@James
why didn't you wait until Comm outed his result before you claimed a guilty on him?
that makes no sense to me if you are town.

This I can see both ways. It could be argued the way you're doing, or it could be argued that if he had a guilty at the start o the day why sit on it for -say- 24 hours before announcing it.

because at that point Comm had already said he had a result and was teasing the game with the info
if you are towncop!James why would you out your guilty on Comm

before

he reveals info?
from town pov you have a confirmed scum who is about to lie about a result and you preempt that?
that's terrible town play

[TTTT]

Are you kidding me? Solo Scum = Serial Killer.

No. I mean he could be the only scum out of all those claims.

[Elena Fisher]

also ssbm denied he had knowledge about the accuracy of my reads
but in his scum-game with me I literally named both ssbm and his partner early in day1 in a scumpool of three players.
and he noted it in the scum PT

[havingfitz]

Comm's defense depends on there being a Mafia Bus Driver who just so happened to target the same person as him at random.

Redirector more likely. It would completely control Comm's target.

There's still no evidence of there being a vigilante (or a redirector) though.

Fmpov I'm VT and everything is normal. I can only confirm Comm's result on me is wrong.
From Comm's pov either I am lying (despite not having a mafia result) or he was redirected to another player who happens to be a vig. Would it be worth outing a vig to save Comm?
From Ram's pov his jk worked fine and I'm either scum and couldn't make a nk.....which would conflict with Comm's result....or I'm town and nothing odd happened.

I'm sure there are others scenarios but that's where I'm at.


Is there any scenario where Comm and James are both town PRs? I don't think so. Which lynch would solve more questions?

[Vifam]

Comm's lynch would explain more

[Vifam]

I really doubt he's scum tho so there must be something else going on

[James3]

@James
why didn't you wait until Comm outed his result before you claimed a guilty on him?
that makes no sense to me if you are town.

This I can see both ways. It could be argued the way you're doing, or it could be argued that if he had a guilty at the start o the day why sit on it for -say- 24 hours before announcing it.

because at that point Comm had already said he had a result and was teasing the game with the info
if you are towncop!James why would you out your guilty on Comm

before

he reveals info?
from town pov you have a confirmed scum who is about to lie about a result and you preempt that?
that's terrible town play

Comm knew I would have a guilty result on him. There's no reason to think withholding it would change his claims.

[TTTT]

also ssbm denied he had knowledge about the accuracy of my reads
but in his scum-game with me I literally named both ssbm and his partner early in day1 in a scumpool of three players.
and he noted it in the scum PT

I see I worded that poorly.
I was town that game.
ssbm was scum.

[CommKnight]

redirector have 1 weak spot - where mafia kill? Or Mafia used not timeshifted kill N1 and then normal kill on N2 was delayed to N3?

If there really is a vig...where is the vig kill? Would a role cop include role modifiers?

Not sure, I'd assume so if it was part of the role name. But perhaps not. Depends on the mod's preference.

And also Fitz. When you ask which lynch would solve more problems. Well I confirmed there's a vig alive. So if James flips scum, we're good, if he flips town, well we didn't lose much and vig can kill me tonight.

Also I don't want Vig to out himself so he's not interfered with. But if a TOWN redirector/busdriver happened. They SHOULD out.

[Almost50]

Hmm, this is interesting. We seem to have a bus in play. Also to note, I'd need to be roleblocked the night I choose a target. Which means he would've had to be jailed N1 to stop me from getting a result. So Ramcius, did you jail him N1 or N2 (like have it take effect those nights).

Now the next part, there is definitely something screwy going on and the mod said it wasn't a bastard game, so my best guess? Bus Driver is active (and possibly mafia sided if he doesn't admit to bussing Fitz).

I targeted Fitz because he was one of my scum reads D1 and seemed like he wouldn't die, which I was correct.

Now for the grand reveal. The role came back as Vigilante. So unless you're trolling them Fitz, you got bussed with someone or are a disguiser.

But because of this possibility, I know I can't have been bussed. Which means no alteration to Jame's ability. WHICH MEANS, James if scum confirmed.

Wait! What?

Ok, if there is a TOWN redirector (or bus driver) you should consider claiming NOW. Do not tell us who you redirected from (if you decide for claiming at all), but just clear Comm.

If nobody claims then it could have been a Scum redirector, and thus Scum no know who the Vig is (assuming Comm is telling he truth).

P.S. What's a disguiser? I know I could dig it up on the wiki, but this PC is damn too slow atm I could hand you all paper print outs for my posts and they'd be delivered faster than this.

[CommKnight]

A disguiser would allow him to pick a person and disguise himself as that role. For role cops, it's return their target's role. For cops, it's return innocent/guilty of their target. It's almost like a redirector but if they were to die, depending on the mod, they will even appear as that role!

[James3]

I confirmed there's a vig alive. So if James flips scum, we're good, if he flips town, well we didn't lose much and vig can kill me tonight.

There's no reason for anyone to believe that there's a vig. You are probably lying scum.

[TTTT]

I don't think Vig or Deflector or any other PR's should claim, if they exist
but I will say...
my role is not one that can make sense of today's claims

[TTTT]

I confirmed there's a vig alive. So if James flips scum, we're good, if he flips town, well we didn't lose much and vig can kill me tonight.

There's no reason for anyone to believe that there's a vig. You are probably lying scum.

probably?

VOTE: james

[CommKnight]

I confirmed there's a vig alive. So if James flips scum, we're good, if he flips town, well we didn't lose much and vig can kill me tonight.

There's no reason for anyone to believe that there's a vig. You are probably lying scum.

Then if I'm lying, it's even more of a reason to lynch me the next day. You used your one shot, so trading you for me isn't as bad as the town willingly taking out the town role cop who gets to check someone else again tonight.

[CommKnight]

I confirmed there's a vig alive. So if James flips scum, we're good, if he flips town, well we didn't lose much and vig can kill me tonight.

There's no reason for anyone to believe that there's a vig. You are probably lying scum.

probably?

VOTE: james

^^^^

Good catch!

[havingfitz]

But if a TOWN redirector/busdriver happened. They SHOULD out.

No way a town Redirector would f with a cop's actions. And a town bus driver would really screw up possibilities.....

[James3]

If Comm is telling the truth, then mafia already know who the vig is. Yet Comm doesn't want the vig to reveal. There's no reason for this from Town!Comm, ergo he's scum.

[James3]

I confirmed there's a vig alive. So if James flips scum, we're good, if he flips town, well we didn't lose much and vig can kill me tonight.

There's no reason for anyone to believe that there's a vig. You are probably lying scum.

probably?

VOTE: james

From the perspective of the town in general.

[James3]

As I said before, scum are being really obvious in trying to save their buddy.