Timeshift Mafia III [Game Over]

[D3f3nd3r]

@mod would a rolecop get a vanilla or a vanilla townie?

A rolecop would receive Vanilla if one checked a vanilla townie.

[James3]

unvote

there's talk of a redirector. I'll have to reread this thing all over again

If there's a town redirector they can claim. If there's a scum redirector then vig should claim. As it is, there is no evidence that either of those things exist.

[Nero Cain]

@mod would a rolecop get a vanilla or a vanilla townie?

A rolecop would receive Vanilla if one checked a vanilla townie.

what would a rolecop get on a goon?

a serial killer?

[D3f3nd3r]

Vanilla for both

[Tywin Lannister]

I'm still at work, so not caught up, but will be tonight. I'm glad Almost is in the game though. Finally someone I can understand. Will post again when I get off.

[Almost50]

Would it be worth outing a vig to save Comm?

What makes you think they're not outed to the MAFIA yet? If nobody claims redirector then the VIG (if existent) should come forward because they will confirm 2 Town players. There is no use hiding if Mafia already know who the Vig is.

[Almost50]

Is there any scenario where Comm and James are both town PRs?

If the Mafia have both a redirector AND a Framer it may explain this, but I fail to understand why they would redirect the Role Cop's action to a TOWN player, unless they thought he was going to check one of them, AND THAT ONE IS JAMES!!!!

So, it is more likely to me that James fake claimed on D1 to out the cop, then they also got the watcher for free so they shot him first, then they somehow failed to shoot the Role Cop so they faked a guilty on him (because it's worth it).

In other words, I will only consider a Framer if someone claims a Town redirector. If not, then I think James is our lynch.

[Almost50]

Also I don't want Vig to out himself so he's not interfered with. But if a TOWN redirector/busdriver happened. They SHOULD out.

Mate, the vig is already outed to the redirector. If the redirector is Town, that's ok. If they're Scum though, tonight he meets his fate. Either way, the redirector knows whom he redirected you to, and you gave them their result on a silver platter! It's who you intended to check that they didn't know beforehand, and THAT is why you got redirected.

[Almost50]

If Comm is telling the truth, then mafia already know who the vig is. Yet Comm doesn't want the vig to reveal. There's no reason for this from Town!Comm, ergo he's scum.

And what would be Scum!Comm's reason to NOT want the vig to step forward? I mean, Scum are killing the vig tonight for sure, or will redirect his shot to Comm if he's not lynched.

@VIG: DO NOT SHOOT ANYONE TONIGHT! In fact, do not shoot at all until the redirector is caught!

[CommKnight]

redirector have 1 weak spot - where mafia kill? Or Mafia used not timeshifted kill N1 and then normal kill on N2 was delayed to N3?

If there really is a vig...where is the vig kill? Would a role cop include role modifiers?

Not sure, I'd assume so if it was part of the role name. But perhaps not. Depends on the mod's preference.

And also Fitz. When you ask which lynch would solve more problems. Well I confirmed there's a vig alive. So if James flips scum, we're good, if he flips town, well we didn't lose much and vig can kill me tonight.

Also I don't want Vig to out himself so he's not interfered with. But if a TOWN redirector/busdriver happened. They SHOULD out.

Actually, your lynch confirms James/Fitz.

No, it doesn't. My lynch only proves James. Something happened to me or Fitz because I got a vigilante role message. That doesn't mean he can't be VT. This logic is flawed PereV...

[Tywin Lannister]

Comm's defense depends on there being a Mafia Bus Driver who just so happened to target the same person as him at random.

Redirector more likely. It would completely control Comm's target.

There's still no evidence of there being a vigilante (or a redirector) though.

Fmpov I'm VT and everything is normal. I can only confirm Comm's result on me is wrong.
From Comm's pov either I am lying (despite not having a mafia result) or he was redirected to another player who happens to be a vig. Would it be worth outing a vig to save Comm?
From Ram's pov his jk worked fine and I'm either scum and couldn't make a nk.....which would conflict with Comm's result....or I'm town and nothing odd happened.

I'm sure there are others scenarios but that's where I'm at.


Is there any scenario where Comm and James are both town PRs? I don't think so. Which lynch would solve more questions?

So what you're saying is this:

Two players (Fitz/Ram) confirmed that comm could not have gotten a result on Fitz, because Fitz isn't a vigilante, and Fitz was JK, which would mean any investigation wouldn't work regardless from my understanding. Also, James claims guilty on Comm. That's three players.

On Comm's side, we have Vifam saying 'I don't know anything, I understand nothing, nothing makes sense... Oh but comm wouldn't do what he's done as Mafia.' PregrinV also defends comm, but does so by calling James a liar while ignoring the other evidence. Comm thinks this all means there has to be a bus driver.

Am I the only one that's starting to see a pattern here that implicates multiple players? If comm is scum, Vifam/peregrinV are probably scum too. Independent of comm, Vifam and peregrinV are still probably scum, but this adds attachments.

I want to hear more from comm though. He says James is lying, but ignores Ram's JK on Fitz and Fitz' claim to not be vigi. Also, if there was a vigi, where are the extra kills? Did the vigi, scum, JK, rolecop, and bus driver ALL target Fitz? I hope nobody actually believes that.

I'm only partly caught up, but read between the lines here. It's not that difficult.

[James3]

If Comm is telling the truth, then mafia already know who the vig is. Yet Comm doesn't want the vig to reveal. There's no reason for this from Town!Comm, ergo he's scum.

And what would be Scum!Comm's reason to NOT want the vig to step forward?

There probably is no vig. It's a lie. If we all agree that the vig should come forward and they don't then Scum!Comm is screwed. Thus it's in his interest to promote the idea that the vig should stay silent, so that the non-existence of a vig claim won't look suspicious for him.

[Nero Cain]

if there's no vig how did Comm get told there's a vig?

[CommKnight]

If Comm is telling the truth, then mafia already know who the vig is. Yet Comm doesn't want the vig to reveal. There's no reason for this from Town!Comm, ergo he's scum.

And what would be Scum!Comm's reason to NOT want the vig to step forward?

There probably is no vig. It's a lie. If we all agree that the vig should come forward and they don't then Scum!Comm is screwed. Thus it's in his interest to promote the idea that the vig should stay silent, so that the non-existence of a vig claim won't look suspicious for him.

You know... you're either being lynched or vigged bro. Because the vig knows who he is even if I don't.

As for the jail keeper, not sure I could explain that, other than either he's lying, he got blocked, or some other factor that further screwed with night actions.

James is scum, so that "3-person" factor becomes 2. Fitz and Ramcius. Fitz claims to be VT and the result I got says otherwise, which means I know something happened with some swapping. Whether it be redirector or bus-driver.

And again, why would I claim Fitz was 100% town and defend him from a vote if I was lying? Hell, why claim him out of anyone if I were scum? As town, I thought I was checking scum!Fitz to catch a mafia. But it turns out I just checked a town who survived two days and even had my results messed with.

But keep believing what you will. Something happened to the actions and at the end of the day James is conf!scum.

Literally lynching James would either clear me or show me as scum which could be killed tonight or lynched tomorrow EASILY.

That and when you compare James with me, I mean let's say this was an all VT game and relied 100% on scum hunting, who would you value more taking into tomorrow?

[CommKnight]

if there's no vig how did Comm get told there's a vig?

There's definitely a vig. Mod said this wasn't a bastard game. So I hope vig knows I'm telling the truth that something happened.

[Vifam]

'I don't know anything, I understand nothing, nothing makes sense... Oh but comm wouldn't do what he's done as Mafia.' P

Do you think Comm would play way he has as scum? Like is there any actual scum motivation to anything he's done?

[James3]

if there's no vig how did Comm get told there's a vig?

You aren't very intelligent.

There. Is. No. Vig. He. Made. It. Up.

Do. You. Un. Der. Stand?

[Nero Cain]

so Fitz is his buddy?

[James3]

Fitz may or may not be his buddy. Fitz claims VT though.

[havingfitz]

so Fitz is his buddy?

1) I'm nobody's buddy
2) Who are you talking about?

[Nero Cain]

Fitz

HAS

to be his buddy. Otherwise whats the point of arguing that Fitz is town? One possibility is that Comm was bus driven/redirected and that the vig result was not on Fitz.

[Nero Cain]

I'm nobody's buddy

I don't really think you are scum. James says that you are lying about being a vt but Comm is claiming a vig result on you. I'm saying that the only way Comm was lie is if you are his buddy.

[havingfitz]

Fitz

HAS

to be his buddy. Otherwise whats the point of arguing that Fitz is town? One possibility is that Comm was bus driven/redirected and that the vig result was not on Fitz.

That's what I have been suggesting.....

[Nero Cain]

and I'm agreeing so?

[James3]

Fitz

HAS

to be his buddy. Otherwise whats the point of arguing that Fitz is town? One possibility is that Comm was bus driven/redirected and that the vig result was not on Fitz.

It could be to make Fitz look suspicious. It's a WIFOM situation, as he had full knowledge in advance of how his behavior could be read.

I'm nobody's buddy

I don't really think you are scum. James says that you are lying about being a vt but Comm is claiming a vig result on you. I'm saying that the only way Comm was lie is if you are his buddy.

HURT: Nero

You're a worse liar than CNN.