Civilization Mafia [GAME OVER]

[NoticeMeSenpai]

.....Excuse me while I go buy Civ VI.

DAMN YOU ELBIRRRRNNNNNNN (also where did your scumread on me go, broski? Your stubbornly shit read on me is why I think you're prob not scum, don't make me paranoid plz)

[ssbm_Kyouko]

Also, scum probably got vigilante.

I assume you think 1 kill means scum vig, but there are 2 doctor style wonders in play now. It's likely they've both been built imo, and it could be TA shot or scum shot were blocked by hanging gardens or Parthenon

I am just mindfucked.
PV getting Pyramids means PV probably scum but why would scum shoot themselves?

Like my priority order list was wrong but it had to be right like wtf.

Yeah...:/

PV could have been the vig shot if the scum kill was blocked by HG/Parth.

Isn't yay like really good? Then scum have to like not use their wonder if they kill?

nah, not enough of a penalty to scum to be worthwhile before some scum die.

I have noticed that day started, would have voted Nay, must do a hard reset which is gonna be really painful with more than 7000 posts to deal with.

It's helpful to reset when lost, worked for me

[Pine]

.....Excuse me while I go buy Civ VI.

DAMN YOU ELBIRRRRNNNNNNN (also where did your scumread on me go, broski? Your stubbornly shit read on me is why I think you're prob not scum, don't make me paranoid plz)

Ehhhh. Civ 6 was not really an inspired addition to the franchise.

That said, I didn't compare Civ V favorably to Civ IV when it was new, but after various expansions and overhauls it's my favorite edition so far. So we'll see.

[Caesar Wills It]

.....Excuse me while I go buy Civ VI.

DAMN YOU ELBIRRRRNNNNNNN (also where did your scumread on me go, broski? Your stubbornly shit read on me is why I think you're prob not scum, don't make me paranoid plz)

Ehhhh. Civ 6 was not really an inspired addition to the franchise.

That said, I didn't compare Civ V favorably to Civ IV when it was new, but after various expansions and overhauls it's my favorite edition so far. So we'll see.

Blast and damn, insufferable scribe! What have We said to you about opening thy yap on the Senate floor!

[Caesar Wills It]

Also, We were unaware of this mythical land called 'Australia.' Please excuse Us for a time to investigate this.

[Lil Uzi Vert]

Australia is cool.

[Caesar Wills It]

Sweet Aphrodite! This land of Australia possesses an orange flag adorned with a creature I am told is called a 'kangaroo!' We must embark upon a journey to sample this land's delights and perils at once!

[ssbm_Kyouko]

Also I was pretty sure Alisae was talking about building hanging gardens/mausoleum D1 because they were actually building statue of Zeus and wanted to be shot at because they potentially had gardens. When he voted post-claim on ABR I took it as a cc (didn't say anything because I was playing along with the deception).

I talked to Spiffeh (I think, maybe it was someone else) D1 about how him talking about his wonders might just be wifom, can pull quotes if needed, but that WIFOM is the above one I thought he was pulling.

PereV having Pyramids threw me for another loop because I was pretty sure Spiffeh had it and they replaced because they were mad math was trying to PoE who had the wonder by getting everyone else to say no.

I think he did try to crumb it but I don't think math picked up what was serious and what was jokes during his joke claiming. Math wasn't shot last night anyways so I think scum either have a doctor or the vig, unless the town vig didnt shoot math.

Maybe they saved their shot because they wanted the pyramids to claim before they shot math

[Alisae]

Kyouko I thought your vote on ABR was a CC tbh.

[ssbm_Kyouko]

Kyouko I thought your vote on ABR was a CC tbh.

*insert universal scum symbol here*

Spoiler:

so we both thought the other was CCing him

[NoticeMeSenpai]

Please tell me that Brian's vote is a hammer.

It is! Life is good.

Spoiler: Brian's read progression on ABR

ABR is always manipulative. It's one of his more endearing traits.

Hmmm those colours didnt quite come out the way they looked on the coloured palet.

ABR is my top priority lynch. Followed by Davesaz and Elbirn.

And then followed by Kyouko/Ceasar at a bit of a distance.

VOTE: Albert B Rampage

Is there a reason you want him lynched other than him being disruptive to the gamestate? I see a lot of people stating they want him dead, but not for anything that makes me believe they think he's scum.

Also, if it lands on scum, who cares if the Caesar wagon is a poor information lynch?

VOTE: Creature

I've fallen behind. But I do think Vecna was town flailing in response to the pressure of his wagon. I didn't like Creature saying he liked the Kyouko wagon and then jumping to Vecna before it could materialize. I also didn't like him asking who should volunteer to be lynched in the event Vecna flipped scum.

I don't know why people are townreading Uzi. A lot of his comments surrounding setup speculation is scummy. He says most of the abilities are bad and that town shouldn't invest in them, which could be scum hoping to skate by with for a few nights with relatively powerless town while scum get a better shot at getting the more concerning roles. He also had a crumb as early as page 25, so I feel the whole argument of ABR pushing a scumread on him for faking a claim to be either insincere or misguided. I thought maybe Vecna was a partner, but I can kind of see a townie just wanting to hold onto a shitty meta read.

I think A+N is town. I like most of their early posting and don't understand why people scumread them. I also have a townread on Yuri.

I'm busy today, but will return later tonight.

VOTE: Albert

@Brian Skies:

Why did you hammer ABR?

Leon, talk to me about this? The relief over the hammer to stop the shitposting to blaming Brian for the lynch seems disingenuous.

[Creature]

Eww Alisae scumreads Vecna

[Alisae]

eww Creature is still alive.

[davesaz]

This is partly why I think Dave is distancing himself from Creature

Don't give me "activity"

Creature is actively trying to change that meta of his.

Activity was my previous townread on you, though activity isn't AI anymore for you.

This is misdirection. Fro99er's comment is about

Creature's meta

. Creature's response is about

his Fro99er read

.

A quick scan of Creature's ISO shows lots of

opinions

but next to no

reasons

.
VOTE: Creature
This is scum. I can't tell if he's scum with Yuri trying to derail, or just scum who got caught in a horrible opinion shift.

My vote may still be for hire to complete the Yuri wagon, after I analyze that slot to find out if it's really scum or not.

I continue to think Creature could be scum trying to act town, but it might just be a playstyle thing. I'm willing to listen to townreads for now.
UNVOTE:

Dave has an okay push on Creature, but when he unvotes, he postures around the Creature slot and overall just jumps off of it for a really bad reason.

I also think about him attacking me for not putting ABR at L-1, the questions he was asking me there just sorta seem like they were dead ends and really vague and not really going anywhere.
This is the dave part to Creature and Dave being on the same team.

My questions there only had meaning assuming I was right about ABR being scum. If he had been scum, I was all over your slot for toying with the bus. That "virtual L-1" thing is a scumclaim if the wagon flips scum.

ABR flipping town means a whole bunch of stuff is wrong.

[MathBlade]

Prod Dodge. Spent all day lifting boxes and such. No desire to read all of this right now.

Someone @Math me if I missed something.

[Yuri]

hey im here and i guess some crazy shit happened while i was gone cool
VOTE: ssbm_Kyouko

[Yuri]

I could, but i really dont feel like it.

It couldve gone both ways, allthough the town-stuff outnumbered the scum-stuff mostly, especially the replace.

replace was nai imo spiff was just town

[nancy]

Hold on let me do newer reads
{nancy, BaeReed, Elbrin, Brian, Math}
{Kyouko}
{LUV, Yuri, Caesar, Sondam, Maxous, Nero}
{Vecna}
{Dave, Creature}

Talk to me about Brian, ssbm, Notice?

I haven't sorted Brian and ssbm really looks like scum to me, but I might just have a bad read on them personality-wise. You have a leg up on me here. I'm also sorting Notice as scum but it's somewhat gut-based. Both you and Math are sorting Notice as Town and you both know the player far better than me, which makes me want to doubt myself. I haven't seen them obvtown so far.

[Alisae]

Hold on let me do newer reads
{nancy, BaeReed, Elbrin, Brian, Math}
{Kyouko}
{LUV, Yuri, Caesar, Sondam, Maxous, Nero}
{Vecna}
{Dave, Creature}

Talk to me about Brian, ssbm, Notice?

I haven't sorted Brian and ssbm really looks like scum to me, but I might just have a bad read on them personality-wise. You have a leg up on me here. I'm also sorting Notice as scum but it's somewhat gut-based. Both you and Math are sorting Notice as Town and you both know the player far better than me, which makes me want to doubt myself. I haven't seen them obvtown so far.

Brain's read is mostly because of Drixx's "I want pryamids" thing.
Kyouko tbh just feel's like a scum motivated mislynch especially considering he was the counterwagon to ABR.
BaeReed's D1 push on Vecna screamed town because tbh I feel like BaeReed would make more effort into reading the table then to make that push when he did.

[nancy]

Yeah OK I don't even need to talk about Brian that's Town.

pedit hmmmm OK I need to go through D1 VCs again (I'm scumreading half the ssbm wagon at 2.20 which makes me uhhhh)

[Alisae]

nancy who are you townreading on that wagon?

[nancy]

The Vecna push looked bad to me actually. There are a few weird things that happen around the time Yuri is at L-1 that make me nervous and Notice going off on Vecna was one of them. I didn't like the way they did it, doesn't add up to me, and I didn't like the timing of it.

pedit

This is basically where I'm at:

{Aslan, Elbirn, Leonshade, Math, Brian}
{Nero, Vecna}
{Caesar, Yuri}
{Creature, LUV, Maxous?, Sondam?}
{davesaz, Notice, ssbm??}

[nancy]

My SR on ssbm is mainly tonal stuff, which could come down to me having a bad read on them personality-wise. Tonal stuff can be bad for me because it tends to lead to me being a bit confbias-y so I'm wary of that.

[Alisae]

nancy why are you TRing Elbrin and Leon?
Why is Nero and Vecna where they are? Also what makes you think Vecna v ABR was a TvT?
Why is Yuri in the middle?

[Nero Cain]

Kyouko tbh just feel's like a scum motivated mislynch especially considering he was the counterwagon to ABR.

like scum would ever try and stop that big juicy ABR mislynch when he had a 1x nkproof. This looks like misdirection.