Open 678 - White Flag GAME OVER!

[TheRealGin-N-Tonic]

What do you get when you cross a joke and a rhetorical question?

Seventh Votecount

:

Riley Cake - 4 (-Grey-, Firebringer, Siblings Quarrel, ThinkBig)

Siblings Quarrel - 1 (Pine)

Falco XV - 1 (Aristophanes)
Firebringer - 1 (Riley Cake)
BTD6_maker - 1 (Lil Uzi Vert)
Pine - 1 (mastina)
mastina - 1 (Transcend)


Not Voting - 3 (Falco XV, BTD6_maker, tojam2)

With

13

alive, it takes

7

to lynch.

Day 1's deadline is Sunday, March 12th, @ 1:00 AM EST--(expired on 2017-03-12 01:00:00)

V/LA Notices/Mod Notes:

• Mastina is V/LA on weekends
  
• Fro99er is V/LA till Monday
  
• ThinkBig is V/LA on weekends

[-Grey-]

Pine, definitely lean scum, so vote stays.
Transcend's probably actually a stronger scumread if I'm fully honest, though.

Now I just need to talk you into a BTD scumread for the trifecta.

My declaration wasn't so off for nobody having even posted, was it?

[mastina]

Another key aspect of VCA: counting gaps in them.

Falco XV - 1 (Aristophanes)

Transcend - 0 (Siblings Quarrel)

Grey - 1 (Firebringer)
Firebringer - 4 (Lil Uzi Vert,

Pine, Siblings Quarrel, Transcend

)
Siblings Quarrel - 1 (Grey)
Not Voting - 6 (

Pine

, Falco XV,

Transcend

, ThinkBig, mastina, BTD6_maker, tojam2, Riley Cake)

That Firebringer wagon? Rose and fell. Transcend hopped to Siblings Quarrel, then Pine. (The siblings themselves left to go back to where they were before.)

Nascent Town bloc: Ari, Fire, Trans, me.

This is also abysmal: Aristophanes is obviously town here, sure, yes, but that's basically a pocket-read. Pine is classically buddying him. The Firebringer and Transcend reads are godawful.

[mastina]

Pine is town.
I hope Transcend is town.

It can't be this easy.
It literally can't be this easy.

God I know this game is White Flag.
And I know that these players are cheeky scumfucks who could blatantly buddy each other just for the wifom of "that proves they can't actually be a team, because no team would be that blatant!".
But.

It just can't be this fucking obvious.

[-Grey-]

mas, I love you like a sibling, but if you don't come off that Firebringer scumread, we're going to have some words.

[mastina]

Fire went and serioused on me. I... don't know what to do with that.

Scumread him. Hard.

[mastina]

Siblings Quarrel - 4 (Grey, Firebringer, Transcend, Pine)

Like.
I keep thinking.
"They wouldn't dare. Would they?"

They wouldn't fucking dare try to put all of their members on the same wagon especially back-to-back...knowing I am in the game and wouldn't stand for that shit.

But I keep on thinking.

"Goddammit. Why do I feel like they fucking dared?"

[Lil Uzi Vert]

That said: not gonna quote the whole thing, but the majority of the early exchange page one looks town. If any of my initial pool of four is to be wrong, it would probably actually BE Grey, in spite of what I just said. That exchange isn't something impossible to come from scum, but it IS less likely. Aristophanes loosely looks town and I'm pretty sure Siblings Quarrel is town.

If any of the players outside my initial scumpool are scum, off of page one my first bet would be LUV--but I'm giving some benefit of the doubt, since I know LUV is always mislynch bait even as town and tends to look ridiculously scummy, plus, I don't have much experience with them. I have enough to know some of the generalities (e.g. mislynch bait), but not enough to know the specifics (e.g. the difference between "scummy town" and "just actually scum"). So I know LUV is scummy, and don't know if LUV is scummy-scum or scummy-town, but overall, benefit of the doubt in play here.

I'm not lynch bait!

[-Grey-]

Siblings Quarrel - 4 (Grey, Firebringer, Transcend, Pine)

Like.
I keep thinking.
"They wouldn't dare. Would they?"

They wouldn't fucking dare try to put all of their members on the same wagon especially back-to-back...knowing I am in the game and wouldn't stand for that shit.

But I keep on thinking.

"Goddammit. Why do I feel like they fucking dared?"

That's easy.

Because Ali is lynchbait on d1 and the wagon wouldn't be given two glances because "lol Ali".

[-Grey-]

I'm not lynch bait!

Yeah, that post was hilarious.

[mastina]

I'M NOT A TROLL ACCOUNT!!!!!!!

You are, however, obviously an alt, of a user with a reasonable level of experience. I'd guess somewhere in the 2009 - 2015 range (probably in the "new wave" of players, rather than the last of the oldguard players), though I suppose an earlier 2016 user is possible. I don't much care to guess your identity, and I'll let you have your fun, but I'm expecting you to pull your weight to prove you're not scum.

I believe you've done a decent job of demonstrating this already--I expect that to continue. I don't have your exact skill level pegged yet, but from what I can tell you're a player who is at least above mediocre in ability, so even through the filter of your posting gimmick, I expect the quality of your play to be at minimum that high. Fail to meet that expectation, you eat rope. Playing under an alt (ESPECIALLY a gimmicky alt!) is no excuse to slack off on scumhunting, so if I see signs of degrading play quality, instead of assuming you're town slacking off I'll assume scum who is hiding behind their gimmick to disguise their utter disregard for actually playing.

I don't expect this to be much of an issue for you, though. You'll either slip at some point, forget about the account and have it siteflake, get bored with the account and start taking things more seriously, or continue to put active effort into the gimmick and thus continue to play at probably the level you're showing right now. And the level you're showing right now I am okay with; I think you're town.

[Pine]

Aww.

Mastina.

I am disappoint.

Why can't we ever be Town together? I swear, we need to keep going until we pull Mason together, and then we'll just wreck shit.

But you scum girl. Sorry.

VOTE: Mastina

Town bloc, to meeeeeee!

(Also, I'm TRing Grey pretty solid now too. Some games you win by scumhunting, some by Townhunting. This one it's both!)

[mastina]

(To be honest I'm at least like 75% confident that Riley Cake is a high-level scumhunter. As in, someone who consistently gets nightkilled, is a triple-threat of obvtown, charismatic, and accurate. There might be a few names I can think of who would be tempted to do so, too. They might be surprised to think that I hold that opinion of their main, or maybe they know I do already, who knows? I could also be wrong and have it be the other 25%, but eh. It's really not that important to me. I'll let Riley have their fun, so long as Riley isn't using the alt account to play well below their normal par.)

[mastina]

Tempted to just sheep Riley for the rest of the way.

Probably not actually a bad idea after I am inevitably offed.

As long as Riley doesn't become an egomaniac (something which well over half the probable candidates for Riley's main would qualify for, but as alts egos tend to either go way up or way down and for Riley it'd

probably

be way down), they'd be a reasonable player to sheep. Like, I'm pretty sure Riley's town here. One third of the triangle is the obvtown; they have it definitely. The charismatic third is something they're probably deliberately leaving absent from the alt, but it's not really needed. All which matters is the second third, accuracy. And there, I think Riley would do more good than harm.

[Firebringer]

Kind of think Mastina is town.
Meh.

[mastina]

firebringer!!! are ya scum trying to aviod attention by bullying poor ali?? :c if you were townie, you'd be super chatty and excited to tell me why they're scum so I'll VOTE THEM WITH YOU!!!!!!!!!!!!

Like this?

This, not something coming from an amateur.

This player KNOWS Firebringer.
Really, really KNOWS him.
Maybe not, "can perfectly read Firebringer".
But is definitely, "has many, many, many games with Firebringer".

Whoever is in control of this alt isn't someone who plays in only one game at a time. (Or, at least, used to play in a lot at some point in their career.) Probably 5-13 games active at a time. Over a time period of several months. Not always intersecting with Firebringer. But often intersecting with Firebringer, enough where on an alt they can't hide their experience with him. If this player played 60 games, Firebringer would be in like 5-10 of them. If this player played 120 games, probably somewhere in the 10-20 range. (It's not an exact scale. They could play lots with Firebringer, or have played only a little with Firebringer.)

And this insight?
Accurate. Not only is it accurate, but it is also something I don't see coming from this player (whoever they are, really) as scum. Why it's town is a little harder to say. I don't think they'd give this content as scum on their main. Obviously, it's not content they'd do as scum on the alt; that goes basically without saying. But what I'm getting at here is, this is townposting. Through and through. This is town. This is a player who is probably also skilled at scum, sure, yeah. But this player is town this game. And not only town...but at least decently accurate town.

[Firebringer]

This player KNOWS Firebringer.
Really, really KNOWS him.
Maybe not, "can perfectly read Firebringer".
But is definitely, "has many, many, many games with Firebringer".

i have never seen that account in my life mastina....

[Firebringer]

Whoever is in control of this alt isn't someone who plays in only one game at a time. (Or, at least, used to play in a lot at some point in their career.) Probably 5-13 games active at a time. Over a time period of several months. Not always intersecting with Firebringer. But often intersecting with Firebringer, enough where on an alt they can't hide their experience with him. If this player played 60 games, Firebringer would be in like 5-10 of them. If this player played 120 games, probably somewhere in the 10-20 range. (It's not an exact scale. They could play lots with Firebringer, or have played only a little with Firebringer.)

where the hell did you get this from?

[-Grey-]

This player KNOWS Firebringer.
Really, really KNOWS him.
Maybe not, "can perfectly read Firebringer".
But is definitely, "has many, many, many games with Firebringer".

i have never seen that account in my life mastina....

Mas is referring to the main.

The person behind the keyboard.

Not the alt.

[mastina]

besides, what if I'm mafia?!!!! then you can't catch me cos you don't even think I'm there!!!!

What if you're Frozen Angel pretending to post like KainTepes?

To be honest I think the gimmick behind the account isn't pure KainTepes, but rather, someone who had the idea to hybridize KainTepes and Frozen Angel (I think this is a player who has played with both extensively) and Riley Cake is the result of them in that mindset. Because there are elements of Frozen Angel in the posting style of Riley Cake, and the KainTepes elements need not be said, but I don't actually think this IS Frozen Angel or KainTepes. (Though FA is admittedly someone who came to mind, as she has the requisite experience.)

[mastina]

That looks suspiciously like a confession.

If it's suspiciously like a confession, it must be suspiciously like the truth.
If it's suspiciously like the truth, it must be suspiciously like a confession.

[-Grey-]

besides, what if I'm mafia?!!!! then you can't catch me cos you don't even think I'm there!!!!

What if you're Frozen Angel pretending to post like KainTepes?

To be honest I think the gimmick behind the account isn't pure KainTepes, but rather, someone who had the idea to hybridize KainTepes and Frozen Angel (I think this is a player who has played with both extensively) and Riley Cake is the result of them in that mindset. Because there are elements of Frozen Angel in the posting style of Riley Cake, and the KainTepes elements need not be said, but I don't actually think this IS Frozen Angel or KainTepes. (Though FA is admittedly someone who came to mind, as she has the requisite experience.)

The thing that triggered Frozen for me was the name Riley. One of her Hydrae have the name Rylai (or similar).

Then I noticed other similarities in style.

[Firebringer]

Mas is referring to the main.

The person behind the keyboard.

Not the alt.

okay yeah I got that, but how does Mastina get "This person has so many completed games with Firebringer" from that post?
Like fuck.

She has at least 2-3 completed games on this account with me.
She has another 10-15 completed games on her "hidden" alt.

Why is she trusting an opinion of someone else, also someone who she has no idea who, with a meta opinion on me?

Fucking makes no sense. And I am still town reading it.

[mastina]

I'm sticking on scum suspect Siblings right now, but if I don't have a solid suspect after they're dead, I'm defaulting to a policy vote on the troll.

this is getting policy lynched btw
VOTE: riley cake

fb we can always lynch them >:)

meh, sibling is scum. Like I can't see them being town right now.
I am near tunnel mode on that. You couldn't get me to do a policy lynch at this point in time.

Riley, who is scum besides Fire?
Who is town?
-Ali
pedit: LUV those reads are?
pedit2: Because you're whiteknighting me by attacking the main person who was pushing me.

I legit now think Siblings is scum with Riley and that they are trying to force some distance right here.

Like.

You guys are taunting me.

You're fucking

taunting

me

.
At this point.

It's the only explanation.

[Firebringer]

I again wish I was scum.