Open 678 - White Flag GAME OVER!

[mastina]

I legit now think Siblings is scum with Riley and that they are trying to force some distance right here.

anyone sharing this thoughts at all?

I actually think this is town Ali. You know him better than I do, I guess... why do you say he's scum here?

Because Firebringer is scum.

[mastina]

I don't read transcend as possible scum with you or cake and my reads on both you two are much stronger than my weak scum pings from transcend.

FUCKING. TAUNTING. ME.

Swear to god you guys are legitimately shitting on me intentionally.

IT'S LIKE THIS GAME IS ACTUALLY SECRETLY THE SEQUEL TO CAMN'S REVENGE AND GIN IS LAUGHING MANIACALLY AS HE WATCHES YOU SLAUGHTER US AGAIN.

Like.
Aristophanes is town.
I am town.
Pine is scum.
Gin, the slighted player, is the mod.

PERFECT. SETUP.
Transcend is Aeronaut.
Firebringer is SirCakez.
And Pine is fucking Pine, except I can actually lynch him this time.

BUT I WON'T GET TO.
BECAUSE IT'S FUCKING PINE.

[Firebringer]

From the Scum PT:
Guys, how can I taunt Mastina more? Would love tips.

[mastina]

IT'S FUCKING AWAY.

[mastina]

UNVOTE:
i quit the site if riley's scum and i don't policy lynch him d1

What's up with the sudden turnaround?
-Ali

It's because Transcend is scum.

[mastina]

What do you think are the chances that he's town overblowing your interactions with Siblings?

Maybe he is!!! But maybes are for babies and I'm a big girl!!! It's more likely that he's just scum!!!

Oh now you're just posturing.
VOTE: Riley Cake
-Ali

This is opportunistic.

I'm not seeing the associative as strongly as you are. Kain/Riley's chief sin is a complete irrationality, which makes any kind of reading frustrating. A Siblings scumflip would progress to a Riley lynch though.

Riley, no offense. But I am probably going to ignore every post you make and everything you do for my own sanity.

I'm sticking on scum suspect Siblings right now, but if I don't have a solid suspect after they're dead, I'm defaulting to a policy vote on the troll.

[mastina]

this is a terrible vote mastina.

Yes, because it's one of the few votes actually on scum, which is something you'd prefer not to happen!

[mastina]

does anyone else want to vote the shit out of mastina or is it just me

does anyone else want to vote the shit out of mastina or is it just me

i do too, but i am resisting.

I mean.
If ever there was an example of scumposting (ESPECIALLY the Firebringer one since no way in fuck Firebringer resists voting me as town), this would be it.

[mastina]

YOU SHOULDN'T BE MAKING RVS VOTES ON PAGE 15!!!!!!!!!

You're right.

I should've made it on page 14!

[mastina]

Is it just me, or is 351 fluff except for the last five lines?
Did first read through. All I got were a ton of memes. I'll do a second readthrough later.

Falco's either a flaker or a darkhorse scum candidate, btw. (I realize the two are technically not mutually exclusive, but I don't think that to be the case.)

[Firebringer]

ESPECIALLY the Firebringer one since no way in fuck Firebringer resists voting me as town)

why is that?

[Firebringer]

Mastina, I am going to be honest here. I think your Pine read is absolute shit, and your only reading him as scum because of Camns revenge.

[ThinkBig]

Pine/Mastina feels TVT to me

[Siblings Quarrel]

Hi.
Catching up.
-Ali

[mastina]

As both alignments?

Yes.

Technically true, but not quite accurate.

As scum my fluff tends to be far, far, far more...what's the word? Direct? Unsubtle? Directed? Specific? Not quite sure how to explain it. Basically, I do it a lot less often. A

lot

less often as scum. A LOT a lot. As town I talk. A lot. I ramble. It's my specialty in fact. Favorite scumhunting tactic, actually. Talking. Works much better than you'd think, because words are quite literally magic. They hold an immense power in them. You just have to say the right ones, and suddenly, you're obvtown, and suddenly, you have reads on other players. (This sometimes works better than other times. It's generally no less accurate than random, and can be significantly more accurate than random, especially since the more you talk, the more refined this magic becomes.)

My talking as scum is basically: a smokescreen. A mask. It is meant to hide something. It is meant to disguise my intent to mislead, so to speak. I use it to pretend I am town while pursuing an agenda which serves scum. My talking as town is sometimes also a smokescreen, concealing my basic game plan. (In hindsight I probably shoulda developed more of a plan for this game. My plan was quite literally, "I don't care what alignment I get, I'm voting Pine and saying he's going to bus a scumbuddy and ride the towncred to victory. Oh, and also, hopefully someone claims VT, so I can counterclaim it. Especially if said someone is BTD, would rather enjoy it if he did." That was all I had time to prepare in advance, because right now I haven't quite formulated a plan yet. I don't know what my exact strategy is, kinda winging it, trying to piece together the random fragments here and there that look vaguely plan-like yet haven't been woven together into a plan yet.)

But mostly, my talking as town is meant as a weapon. If you're gonna be known as verbosity incarnate, you might as well make the most of it. I couldn't get rid of my reputation, so I instead opted to exploit it, utilize it to the best of my pro-town abilities. Thus, the talking. Thus, the fluff. Because my fluff doesn't serve to be just fluff. It serves to set a tone, a mood, a plan in motion, so to speak.

(Incidentally, this is why I tend to talk so much earlygame and lategame: the plan is being formed earlygame, and after having had several failed plans I flail about lategame trying to recreate a plan. In midgame, my talking tends to die down, because I have a plan implemented, and with the plan in motion, I need to talk less.)

[mastina]

Btd6 always makes those kind of intros tho, and believe me, i fosed him for the same thing.

This is scum white knighting town.

[-Grey-]

Btd6 always makes those kind of intros tho, and believe me, i fosed him for the same thing.

This is scum white knighting town.

This is white flag. BTD could well be Scum regardless of that post.

[Siblings Quarrel]

Spoiler: /me does the catching up

So was Trans.

but he stopped!!!!! the reason why policy lynches are scummy is cos it doesn't really help town find mafia!!!! it's just an excuse to bully people for talking different!!!! if someone is scum and pushing a policy lynch it's cos they wanna kill a townie for free!!!!! but if transy stopped, then he can't be scum who pushes a policy lynch, right?

So he stopped pushing a PL, therefore he's town...This doesn't make sense to me, sorry ;~; What else makes you think Trans is town?

i've learned that btd is the biggest lynchbait this website will ever see

TRUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUE

VOTE: mastina

Good vote btw.

I should be in bed (it's 2:15 AM, I get up at 6 AM for work), don't have time to read this game and even if I did I'm honestly not sure where my priority game-wise would be but: as panicked as I was to see red in my PM, I'm town.
As a result, instead of playing optimally, I get to do what I deem best.

VOTE: Pine.
Because let's face it.
Pine's going to MAGNIFICENTLY bus one scumbuddy, and then keep his other scumbuddy alive, cruising to victory off of it. He may or may not pull the white flag gambit, bussing his second scumbuddy, but he'll manage to avert their death and pull out the win from the towncred Pine will get in lynching his scumbuddy.

As for why Pine is scum...
...Well, he's always scum.

this is a terrible vote mastina.

Good posting.

I should be in bed (it's 2:15 AM, I get up at 6 AM for work), don't have time to read this game and even if I did I'm honestly not sure where my priority game-wise would be but: as panicked as I was to see red in my PM, I'm town.
As a result, instead of playing optimally, I get to do what I deem best.

VOTE: Pine.
Because let's face it.
Pine's going to MAGNIFICENTLY bus one scumbuddy, and then keep his other scumbuddy alive, cruising to victory off of it. He may or may not pull the white flag gambit, bussing his second scumbuddy, but he'll manage to avert their death and pull out the win from the towncred Pine will get in lynching his scumbuddy.

As for why Pine is scum...
...Well, he's always scum.

YOU SHOULDN'T BE MAKING RVS VOTES ON PAGE 15!!!!!!!!!

True but you're still scum.

UNVOTE:
i quit the site if riley's scum and i don't policy lynch him d1

What's up with the sudden turnaround?
-Ali

It's because Transcend is scum.

Explain this to me, because honestly I see scum moreso wanting to stick to their guns here.

Mastina why is Pine scum again?
-Ali

[mastina]

Mastina, I don't bus. I dare you to find a counterexample that doesn't involve a guilty or something in the last three years. You know better. Scumbuddies are way too valuable a resource to squander. I can get Towncred lots of other ways, just by talking.

Oh? You don't waste your scumbuddies, eh? You would keep them alive at all costs, you say?

You mean like this?

VOTE: Trans

What about his maybe a townslip?

Nah.

oh this started
i didn't get a pm
VOTE: frogisae

This might be though. Post 1 role PMs tell me that scum don't have daytalk, so he wouldn't have actually thought day had started. It could be a fabricated tell, but I'm leaning towards it being real.

Or this?

65 felt forced.

Maybe. Still,

we aren't lynching Fire until he fites Gin

.

Or maybe this?

I claim Scum.
Please hammer.

Such salt. I think I buy it.
UNVOTE:
Drinking right now. I think I'll examine that whole run up to L-1 in the AM.

No, no, perhaps this?

Nascent Town bloc: Ari,

Fire, Trans

, me.

U scum sis?

No, and if you were town you would know I wasn't. Admittedly? Admittedly, I got off to a rocky start--I came into the game with basically no plan, so I couldn't send off my normal immediate obvious townvibes like I wanted. Real life and all that. I'm not gonna lie and say, you'd be townreading me from my first post. But. You would be townreading me not long thereafter. There are certain things I focus on as scum. There is a certain strategy I employ as scum...and that's been utterly absent. The chaos, the lack of order. I've been overly descriptive of certain things (namely, VCA), but I did that rather deliberately as a teaching tool because Gin is this game's mod and Gin just lost a game thanks to improper VCA and here Gin gets to see from a first-hand perspective an unbiased, raw usage of it in play immediately. (Basically, I do VCA like that kinda instinctively. Very much so to the point where it's basically, "I dunno, I just do it". I get results from it and I skip steps because I already have done the mental math rather than spell the whole equation out. And I wanted to show Gin how I do this, so I slowed it down. Which, in hindsight, is ironically the same mistake Titus made. )

I know that me describing things in detail, describing a read in enough thoroughness, is basically a scumclaim. But that's literally the only aspect of my scumgame present here, and it is present because I was deliberately evoking it for specific reasons. The rest is my town self personified. It's everywhere. The tone. The things I thinking. The way I'm speaking. The way my words flow. The content. The focus, rather lack thereof. It's town and you damn-well fucking KNOW it is.

But you know what you ALSO know?

You ALSO know that this game doesn't have anyone I have extensive experience with. You also know that's a great way to remove a crucial third of the triple-threat from me. I don't do good cases. Ever. Never been my thing. I can write a narrative. I can sell a story. But I tailor these to my audience, like any good orator would. And I don't fucking know my audience this game. I can maybe figure it out with time. I can learn to speak their language. Some of them I have interacted with before, vaguely enough to have an idea of what they might be looking for.

But basically. You can get away with this shit because nobody knows me, and nobody here except for me knows YOU. I'm fighting a battle I know I can't win because I've been deprived of my strongest aspect. You're being a blatant scumfuck. You, Firebringer, Transcend. All three of you. And yet you can get away with it. You can get away with your bullshit opinion, because you know which players you have on your side, and the answer to that is...basically all of them.

I'm so very mad right now. Very fucking mad. So mad I'm not even using caps. Because I could name the entire scumteam (and probably have), and yet I'll be ignored unless I can get that vital third post of charisma back.

[Falco XV]

@Pine - Was the Mastina vote based off of 344 or an RV? Feel like I'm missing something here.

[mastina]

I really

really

do not like this post.

Tough.

I'm town. You're town. Pine's scum.
It's that simple.

You don't see it now.
But you will.

Like, oh. Say. D4 or so? Rather, twilight of D4 or so. Thereabouts.

[-Grey-]

You never know what's possible until you try, Miyagi.

[Siblings Quarrel]

Also Mastina, I read your ISO and sometimes looking at this walls I just can't glance at them and try to get the arguements you're making in most of them. There's just, nothing I can grab at so it sorta flys over my head.
Tho here's what I'm understanding so far.
Me, Ari town.
Fire, Trans, Pine scum.
Am I getting this right or something or what?
-Ali

[mastina]

At this point, he is difficult to read and is showing interest in trolling and not game solving.

You absolutely SUCK at reading, just sayin'.

Riley has contributed some of the best content in the game thusfar. You just have to actually fucking read the posts rather than just glazing over them. There's a buttload of content present--Riley's fluffposted less than over half the playerlist, with most of their posts being content. Yeah, there's fluff, there's posts which are part of the gimmick and nothing more, but then there are the ones where you get to see a player who is actually showing exactly why someone like Firebringer is scum.

[mastina]

Now I just need to talk you into a BTD scumread for the trifecta.

The scummiest thing about BTD is that he's not actually scummy.
The second-scummiest is probably that his reads are actually looking half-way decent, but that's another matter entirely.

So, sorry. Not buying that.