Civilization Mafia [GAME OVER]

[nancy]

nancy, I'm going to give you 2 more recent games to go meta Elbrin with, because last time I checked Elbrin hasn't played since bloodborne and honestly the way I see it, more recent meta is better, right?
https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=69654
https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=50&t=69290 (Oh god it's my first game on site how embarassing)

So he's not as strong in these games as in his old games. (I didn't read your ISO don't worry.) I'm waffling. On the one hand his content this game has largely been subpar but on the other hand this game is kind of broken by how bloated it is.

Like this is kind of a fair assessment if you give him the benefit of the doubt:

If you'll look back in my iso you'll see me literally drowning in spam and nonsense trying in vain to get a word in edgewise

Brian where you at with reads?

nancy what do you think of 5885 followed by 6679?
Also what do you think of 3582

I TRed him for the first one, but in retrospect given that that was basically the biggest burst of content from him and it was defense I'm not inclined to love it. The second one is mostly NAI. I like the third one but it's ultimately NAI because scum!Elbirn could say that knowing it'd have no effect. I can't blame him for not doing more to pull Titus out of it.

[Brian Skies]

Not like anyone is going to follow Brain, he doesn't have any pull.

It's okay. Maybe if I just plant my vote where it is for about a day or so, votes will magically materialize for me.

[Lil Uzi Vert]

nancy you ignored my personality question.

[nancy]

What personality question?

[Lil Uzi Vert]

Two things you should know about me.

I hate being wrong and I'm lazy. I'm not going to go back and reread to get a better picture. I've been legit devastated since ABR flipped town. If all you two are going to is just say here is a town/scum game or two from so and so, that's not really talking about reads. Why is Brain considered like an IC? Why can't we lynch Sondam?

If you'd actually read the games you'd see how stark the difference was. You don't like VCA reads. You don't like meta reads. OK, fine. Doesn't mean you have to be narky if we get our reads this way. Why does it matter that people have TRs on Brian? Is he obvscum to you? We aren't going to blindly lynch Sondam just because you think it's scum. Can't be bothered holding your hand with this stuff.

@Alisae am reading them.

BRIAN WHAT THE FUCK FOR THE LOVE OF GOD.

Can you tell me what Elbrin's personality like? Or Creature's? If you can answer me that and they agree with your assessment, I'll sheep your meta reads for the rest of the game.

I'm not trying to be annoying, I'm not just going to lynch someone based off meta.

[nancy]

Maxous - idk

Pressure it and help yourself find out?

[nancy]

Elbirn is an emotional player who doesn't give many fucks and hunts with his nose. He plays loose and hot but he's capable of restraint when he wants it and he gets through games by being just on point enough to irritate scum without being enough of a threat to be nked. Creature is lazy but he's sharp and his sense of humor comes alive when people don't see eye to eye with him.

[NoticeMeSenpai]

nancy, I'm going to give you 2 more recent games to go meta Elbrin with, because last time I checked Elbrin hasn't played since bloodborne and honestly the way I see it, more recent meta is better, right?
https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=69654
https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=50&t=69290 (Oh god it's my first game on site how embarassing)

So he's not as strong in these games as in his old games. (I didn't read your ISO don't worry.) I'm waffling. On the one hand his content this game has largely been subpar but on the other hand this game is kind of broken by how bloated it is.

Like this is kind of a fair assessment if you give him the benefit of the doubt:

If you'll look back in my iso you'll see me literally drowning in spam and nonsense trying in vain to get a word in edgewise

Brian where you at with reads?

nancy what do you think of 5885 followed by 6679?
Also what do you think of 3582

I TRed him for the first one, but in retrospect given that that was basically the biggest burst of content from him and it was defense I'm not inclined to love it. The second one is mostly NAI. I like the third one but it's ultimately NAI because scum!Elbirn could say that knowing it'd have no effect. I can't blame him for not doing more to pull Titus out of it.

I mean a lot of us were feeling that way wrt the sentiment in 5999 that you quoted.

That said his tunnel on me is still as crap here as it was in the newbie where he literally only admitted I might be town because I kept trying to work with him after he'd been lynched despite him also not really giving me anything useful there. I just don't have the patience to work through his crap every game apparently.

As far as the thing about pulling Titus out of it... You have vecna as a scumread. Did you think at all about the point I raised that he literally shot himself in the foot by trying to convince Titus to replace out so the hydra dissonance and issues with ABR stopped destroying town? Since you seem to imply here that a townish thing would be to try to stop that.

[Brian Skies]

Kyouko wagon looks like more fun. Why aren't you okay with a Kyouko wagon?

[NoticeMeSenpai]

Elbirn is an emotional player who doesn't give many fucks and hunts with his nose. He plays loose and hot but he's capable of restraint when he wants it and he gets through games by being just on point enough to irritate scum without being enough of a threat to be nked. Creature is lazy but he's sharp and his sense of humor comes alive when people don't see eye to eye with him.

This sounds like a dating game show now

[Lil Uzi Vert]

Elbirn is an emotional player who doesn't give many fucks and hunts with his nose. He plays loose and hot but he's capable of restraint when he wants it and he gets through games by being just on point enough to irritate scum without being enough of a threat to be nked. Creature is lazy but he's sharp and his sense of humor comes alive when people don't see eye to eye with him.

@Creature @Elbrin:

Is this a fair and accurate assessment?

[Brian Skies]

Wait, why does Nancy have Vecna as a scumread?

[nancy]

As far as the thing about pulling Titus out of it... You have vecna as a scumread. Did you think at all about the point I raised that he literally shot himself in the foot by trying to convince Titus to replace out so the hydra dissonance and issues with ABR stopped destroying town? Since you seem to imply here that a townish thing would be to try to stop that.

The points you raised were good and I was only pushing you on them before because I was trying to buddy up with him/scum to avoid nightkills. Yes it's obviously highly Town-motivated to stop a spat like that.

[davesaz]

One of the things that nancy did piqued my interest. What do I get from compare/combine flipped town
reads with reads of players I think are strong town reads?
Note: this is new, so yeah you haven't seen me do it this way before...

Is anyone bothering to analyze ABR's reads from before he got ran up and stopped talking?

Town: Yuri,

Spiffeh

nancy, davesaz, Maxou, Sondam and Nero.
PV: He's actually doing stuff in this game, it's good. Townlean.
ssbm, Caesar, Elbirn: not enough posts.
Creature, Leon: IDK
NoticeMeSenpai: I don't like his post calling A+N town based on irrelevant meta.
Scum: Vecnar, LUV,

A+N

Alisae

Aslan

Nero Cain

Yuri

MathBlade

Leonshade

Elbirn

Creature

Brian Skies

Caesar Wills It

Lil Uzi Vert

Vecna

ssbm_Kyouko

davesaz

Maxous

Sondam

NoticeMeSenpai

Nancy reorganized
Aslan, Yuri, MathBlade, Creature, Brian Skies, Caesar Wills It, Lil Uzi Vert, ssbm_Kyouko, NoticeMeSenpai
Nero Cain, davesaz, Sondam
Leonshade, Elbirn, Vecna, Maxous
(missing - PeregrineV)

Additive reads with emphasis on TR's
TR=4; Null or not mentioned=2; SR=1

Yuri 4+4
nancy 4+4
dave 4+2
Maxous 4+1
Sondam 4+2
Nero 4+2
PV 3+2
Creature 2+4
Leon 2+1
NoticeMeSenpai 2+4
Vecna 1+1
LUV 1+4
Math 2+4
Caesar 2+4
ssbm 2+4
Alisae 1+4
Brian Skies 2+4

ABR + {nancy + Fro99er} totals
nancy, Yuri
dave, Sondam, Nero, Creature, NoticeMeSenpai, Math, Caesar, ssbm, Brian Skies
Maxous, PV, LUV, Alisae
Leon
Vecna

To do: compare with more people I think are town, and with the so-far bottom of the list...
* Nero, Creature reads lists
* Leon, Vecna reads lists

[nancy]

Elbirn is an emotional player who doesn't give many fucks and hunts with his nose. He plays loose and hot but he's capable of restraint when he wants it and he gets through games by being just on point enough to irritate scum without being enough of a threat to be nked. Creature is lazy but he's sharp and his sense of humor comes alive when people don't see eye to eye with him.

This sounds like a dating game show now

Just don't let me give an assessment of you..

[Lil Uzi Vert]

Lol what the hell Dave?

[nancy]

FTR davesaz I'm willing to bet my game life that Aslan is Town here.

[Lil Uzi Vert]

LOL

VOTE: Dave

[Alisae]

[NoticeMeSenpai]

As far as the thing about pulling Titus out of it... You have vecna as a scumread. Did you think at all about the point I raised that he literally shot himself in the foot by trying to convince Titus to replace out so the hydra dissonance and issues with ABR stopped destroying town? Since you seem to imply here that a townish thing would be to try to stop that.

The points you raised were good and I was only pushing you on them before because I was trying to buddy up with him/scum to avoid nightkills. Yes it's obviously highly Town-motivated to stop a spat like that.

In which case you're likely wrong on your Vecna scumread. Unless you can see scum motivation for alienating his biggest ally in this game to the point where it culminated in the person scumreading him only being left in the slot. Because as much as I'd

like

to given his playstyle grates on me, I've come to accept that I just can't see him as scum given that, and my issues with him are likely just playstyle/personality related.

[NoticeMeSenpai]

FTR davesaz I'm willing to bet my game life that Aslan is Town here.

Echo

[NoticeMeSenpai]

Elbirn is an emotional player who doesn't give many fucks and hunts with his nose. He plays loose and hot but he's capable of restraint when he wants it and he gets through games by being just on point enough to irritate scum without being enough of a threat to be nked. Creature is lazy but he's sharp and his sense of humor comes alive when people don't see eye to eye with him.

This sounds like a dating game show now

Just don't let me give an assessment of you..

Please do

[davesaz]

Lol what the hell Dave?

I gotta get a handle on it somehow...

FTR davesaz I'm willing to bet my game life that Aslan is Town here.

He's on your town list but not ABR's. Now I want to see what adding in Creature's and Nero's lists do.

[Lil Uzi Vert]

I want one too, the Elbrin one seems accurate.

Thought nancy was just trolling.

[davesaz]

That's if I can actually get a sensible list out of Creature btw.