Civilization Mafia [GAME OVER]

[Alisae]

PV why would it look like they're avoiding the lynch when they were globally TRed?

[Vecna]

Scum nk'ing one of their own to redirect all lynches to hit town, or just to sow chaos and discontent.

Its a long shot of a strategy....i know....but scum just instantly finding the treestump was also kind of curious.

At any rate, the sudden spike in participation, and the hardcore tunnel on math (and the style in which its done) is exactly what id expect from a scum stump.

Dont tell me you didnt consider this nero. Id be disappointed if your paranoia is only selectively applied

[PeregrineV]

Also wonder why we had to have Natural passed:


Natural: Each era, wonders from the previous era may be built. However, attempting to build an already built wonder will result in failure.

We confirm three of the wonders were built. Maybe scum passed up building daytalk, so wanted to go back and build the next night.

Why was natural pushed so hard, and who pushed it?

Titus pushed it, but with decent reads.

Also if youre gonna use your stump power to just agitate people by repeating the same line over and over.....just dont.

No, I will. You think 1300 posts is crazy for DEO/Mathblade, I can do more.

For what reason did we pass Natural, in the eyes of Math? Which wonder was "passed up" that we needed natural?

Nothing of value was passed up. We chose this together because it presented options for a lategame massclaim backup plan.

Also this inquisition is now over

No. Math posts pretty much whatever they want, no accountability.

Today, for now, I'm calling in those accounts.

[PeregrineV]

Pretty much since I didn't let Titus have her way she threw a hissy fit and then demanded we claim Stonehenge which I told her was bad which was met Witt more yelling saying I am impossible and then when I was right and Vecna wasn't Pyramids she took her ball and ran rather than sitting back and letting me play as promised.

It felt shitty and trying to put Town back together after that shit shown by stepping back I feel was smart.

You are insisting the NK is scum.

How is that smart?

[Nero Cain]

most mods won't let scum kill thier own team.

[PeregrineV]

I've never seen PV be this forceful before but then he only really makes sense as a scum kill so....

It's annoying as shit to have a 350 page game and 4 town deaths. Everyone can say "Bob is scum, joe is town" but not have to give reasons. And when they do, they make no sense.

It's making me nuts.

[Nero Cain]

mod:can scum nighkill their own team?

[PeregrineV]

Pv, ill just be blunt about it.

The timing on this intervention does not sit well with me. Your sudden style 180 makes it feel VERY much like youre trying to cause chaos amongst our ranks, or mess up the current wagon.

LUV suddenly jumping in and joining.....while also opposing the caesar wagon.....also mightily strange.

Hmmm ill need to have some thoughts on this.

No idea of the current wagon.

I've been ignored, and that's fine, because I don't know anything at this point.

But I know crap, and there has been enough in this game that I will now point it out.

[MathBlade]

1) Future town benefit no scum reward FMPOV.
2) I would force daytalk down scum's throat if I was scum.
3) Yes we did because Titus
4) That doesn't make sense.
5) His role and opinion of his play were the same.

6) The claim was dumb Titus was just pissed she couldn't have her way.

NK of PV could be scum or townVig.

Scum kill permissible as not gamethrowing because it stops Stonehenge potential or further unknown interactions possibly. Or townVig who thought PV scum.

[Vecna]

Most mods will allow a nk on their own id assume if there was a plan behind it.

Call gm - would you allow scum to nk their own if they believed it would firther their wincondition?

[Nero Cain]

I've never seen PV be this forceful before but then he only really makes sense as a scum kill so....

It's annoying as shit to have a 350 page game and 4 town deaths. Everyone can say "Bob is scum, joe is town" but not have to give reasons. And when they do, they make no sense.

It's making me nuts.

bro we play with Titus all the time and she's no worse then Math and you are never like this.

[Vecna]

Pv, ill just be blunt about it.

The timing on this intervention does not sit well with me. Your sudden style 180 makes it feel VERY much like youre trying to cause chaos amongst our ranks, or mess up the current wagon.

LUV suddenly jumping in and joining.....while also opposing the caesar wagon.....also mightily strange.

Hmmm ill need to have some thoughts on this.

No idea of the current wagon.

I've been ignored, and that's fine, because I don't know anything at this point.

But I know crap, and there has been enough in this game that I will now point it out.

Carry on then, but know im sceptical - and the natural pick was done based on reasons i interpreted as town at the time. Based on late game investigative options, and a plan proposed by titus that appeared to be quite towny.

[Nahdia]

mod:can scum nighkill their own team?

Call gm - would you allow scum to nk their own if they believed it would firther their wincondition?

Yes.

[PeregrineV]

1) I am Town.
2) I don't lie in scum games. It is a badge of honor to try to win without lying.
3) PV ignores my questions and just repeats "Scum say what?" << PV is saying "what?" and is the scum.
4) It explains why game has gone off the rails because active people were manipulating it.
5) Matches my D1 VCA.

Yeah I think it is PV/Nero/Vecna/Yuri/LUV.

1. Then why do you do

SO MUCH STUFF THAT IS NOT GOOD FOR TOWN?

2. ---

3. Actually, I'm addressing them. You are ignoring mine, and blaming Titus.

4. Your game is not on the rails, and you seem steamed I am calling you on your bullshit.

5. It's just out there for future work, since I'll be here all game!!

1) Doing good things for Town like id'ing scum yep.

3) You ignored my LUV/You discrepancy question to tunnel me.
4) I am angry but there is no bullshit.
5) Yes you are here the rest of the game. That is why you should have claimed. You didn't you're scum and now everyone else has to sort you. Not claiming Pyramids is a scum move.

1. Lie. You have not done that.
2. You said you don't lie. Yet you did.
3. What discrepancy? What information will this discrepancy give you? And if you try to say Uzi is scum with me, then we will enter into the Circular Logic Zone where you cannot be this dumb as town, therefore you must be scum. But, continue.
4. Angry about what?
5. I sucked up a nightkill. Wasn't that supposed to be your job and ABR's job?
Keep it up.

[Nero Cain]

alright, Vecna is prob right that PV is scum.

[PeregrineV]

Also remember that Math was the one that was trying to narrow down who got the pyramids. And Math doesn't lie as scum so...Math and scum team successfully POE who has the pyramids and kills them?

I don't think I was killed because I have the pyramids. Not sure why, really. It was dumb move on their part.

[Creature]

Let's play like PV isn't scum, if he is, he is already dead and not influencing the lynches anyway.

[Vecna]

I do believe, given these circumstances, that some more votes on caesar are warranted.

[PeregrineV]

Nero is that really worth it though especially considering that LUV hinted at things that are better coming up in the future.
Like, I feel like the better play I would expect from scum!Titus would be to wait for something better and to steal that before any townies got a chance to build it.

And I wouldn't waste a power slot on Stonehenge as scum.

The fact Titus claimed insisting Vecna was Pyramids has really fucked with things and I have been trying to rebuild from any semblance of usefulness their screaming.

The fact I am being attacked by scum for having reads now is rather telling I am on the right track.

Before when I was confused or pushing wrong >> Math obvTown
Now that who I am pushing is changed >> Math is scum.

Even when any theory of being scum is shit and multiple of you have said this.

Who did you target last night?

I crumbed that. Rather sloppily. Maybe need a napkin.

You can just say it. You are an outted PR. Why are you crumbing anything?

Because I was talking with Halicarnassus outing who I targetted would be bad. Let's just say Halicarnassus knows.

It's the person you are supposed to be copping that you never will!!
How does it hurt anyone?

I think you don't have any answer, or don't need one.

[Lil Uzi Vert]

Just wanna say that I was joking about buying what PV is spitting. Thought it was obvious.

[PeregrineV]

yea, I just have a really hard time believing that she is really frustrated with you. I think its more likely that this was a dog and pony show.

How do you interpret this spike from PV? And luv suddenly doing a 180?

I would think PV is scum but then what happened to the scum NK? It was doc protected? ok So PV is a vig kill? What fucking vig would vig PV over Math?

Yeah, you know better.

[PeregrineV]

PV I've been solohydraing since the game actually started and I just recently split it.
As soon as D2 started they never talked to me again.
Why should I have announced it if I did get it?

then why vote Natural? Vecna seems to give a reason, but it makes no sense to me. What did you think still needed to be built from day1?

[Vecna]

Ill continue not ignoring pv, because its still more likely he is town.

I still want to lynch caesar though, since he strikes me as the person that is much more likely to condone a pv pyramids gambit as scum, and hin flipping scum should give us some more info as to what happened here.

[Vecna]

PV I've been solohydraing since the game actually started and I just recently split it.
As soon as D2 started they never talked to me again.
Why should I have announced it if I did get it?

then why vote Natural? Vecna seems to give a reason, but it makes no sense to me. What did you think still needed to be built from day1?

It doesnt just work for day1 wonders pv, but allows for the building of prior day wonders on every day pv.

[MathBlade]

1 and 2 is a pissing match of "No you're wrong" so moving on.
3 demonstrates you aren't even reading my posts because before you started I pointed out you and LUV Scum and townread Caesar for the same thing. This inconsistency in logic needs to be address. X+Y=3 or it doesn't equal three. We need to know which.
4 That after everyone saying I am obvTown and Titus and I would never do these things that people are now saying that we would do these things and now I am trying to defend Titus's character as a person while simultaneously explain how she made the game a living hell for me. It sucks and people are being irrational about their reads and pretty damn illogical and I point it out and get scumread. Wtf.
5) Yes you died. Congrats. Thank you for rubbing in how much I should have kept arguing with Titus. I just couldn't take her screaming anymore.