Timeshift Mafia III [Game Over]

[Ramcius]

well, only reason for them to stay back is if other mafia was on wagon already - nadroj and Elena, so if Wifam flip green, their turn tomorrow

Honestly if Vifam flips, I'd go for either nadroj or SlySly. But if Vifam flips red, I'd go for Elena.

you think firebringer could buss Wifam D1?

Well you had 2 scum who didn't vote him and Elena and Vifam have been voting together pretty much since Elena subbed in.

i made quick look over vote counts, but couldn't see them voting same, only exceptions were Kyo lynch and James, which isn't indicator of working together, but i noticed another interesting thing - Xnadroj and Elena same time on Pere wagon D2, N2 mafia submit kill on Pere

[D3f3nd3r]

VC 4.2 (3/3/17)

CommKnight [L-6]

Ramcius [L-6]

Not Chara [L-6]

SlySly [L-5]

Elena Fisher

Havingfitz [L-6]

Vifam [L-2]

Havingfitz, CommKnight, Almost50, Ramcius

Elena Fisher [L-5]

Tywin Lannister

TheFuzzylogic99 [L-6]

Almost50 [L-6]

Tywin Lannister [L-6]

XnadrojX [L-6]

No Lynch [L-6]

Not Voting [5]

Not Chara, SlySly, Vifam, TheFuzzylogic99, XnadrojX

Deadline is 11pm on Wednesday 3/15. That is in (expired on 2017-03-15 23:00:00).

With 11 alive, it is six to lynch.

V/LAs:
XnadrojX is on V/LA through Sunday.
Your mod will be V/LA next Tuesday through next Sunday.

[Tywin Lannister]

Actually, looking at the latest VC, everyone in my town list minus Not Chara is voting Vifam, and everyone not voting (again, aside from NC) are in my possible scum pool. That looks pretty telling actually. Scum wouldn't lynch Vifam D1, and now they don't wanna vote him again.

I'm still gonna wait for tonight like Vifam asked, but it's something that came to my attention just now.

[Not Chara]

you think firebringer could buss Wifam D1?

Firebringer would bus, sure.
not that i have any idea who replaced firebringer right this moment.

i'm ISOing Vifam now, but i want to see what he has to say when he gets back.

[SlySly]

not that i have any idea who replaced firebringer right this moment.

Elena is firebringer.

[SlySly]

Actually, looking at the latest VC, everyone in my town list minus Not Chara is voting Vifam, and everyone not voting (again, aside from NC) are in my possible scum pool. That looks pretty telling actually. Scum wouldn't lynch Vifam D1, and now they don't wanna vote him again.

Is your support to lynch Vifam based purely on VCA? I've read what fitz had to say, are you basically sheeping what he said or do you have something to add?

[Not Chara]

i checked the first post after that, but thank you SlySly. :>

consider me willing to vote Vifam as well. i've got something like a comfortable batch of townreads and players i don't want to lynch yet.

[Ramcius]

you think firebringer could buss Wifam D1?

Firebringer would bus, sure.
not that i have any idea who replaced firebringer right this moment.

i'm ISOing Vifam now, but i want to see what he has to say when he gets back.

i was talking about D1, not in general, your slot was biggest wagon near end of day till we switched to Wifam, but that wagon was really hard to push, so i wondering if Firebringer would buss considering they pretty much 1 man short having James on board

[Tywin Lannister]

I feel like sly hasn't read the game since D1 with his posts, because he's not dumb/bad, and him calling Almost/Comm/Ram all scum (although he said 'something' made him change his stance on comm) just seems ridiculous. I've tried, and I can't think of any way that comm/Almost could be scum based on Comm's vigi investigation D3 and Almost killing two people (and 1 scum) last night phase. Scum don't NK their partners, and the only possible way I can see them being scum is some extreme scum bussing/theater and both comm/Almost would have to be scum here. Otherwise, it's possible (basically no chance, but possible) that comm is a Mafia roleblocker. I don't see it as even close to likely though, and regardless, Almost is basically cleared after the Nero shot. If comm is scum, I'll consider him an amazing scum player post game. I mean, the only other chance they're all scum is multi-ball, but I don't think the game's big enough for that, and the NK numbers don't support it.

So yeah, either sly hasn't read any of that, or he's scum trying his best to place doubt on everyone else. Idc if he thinks I'm scum cuz of wall posts (that's a really bad reason though), but the rest just don't make sense.

Other players that don't read look to be fuzzy and xnaj. Idk why people sign up for games they don't intend to play in. Sly admitted RL getting in the way at least, and he didn't start out as a lurker.

[Not Chara]

thanks for the context, but i stand by my thought that Firebringer would have no problem bussing.
it doesn't matter in the end, because i'm townreading Elena for now.

i was going to say whoever replaced Zekromaster could be scum, but that's Almost so never mind.

[SlySly]

I've tried, and I can't think of any way that comm/Almost could be scum

Be me and have them call you scum. The vibes get much easier to see in my shoes.

[Almost50]

Actually, looking at the latest VC, everyone in my town list minus Not Chara is voting Vifam, and everyone not voting (again, aside from NC) are in my possible scum pool. That looks pretty telling actually. Scum wouldn't lynch Vifam D1, and now they don't wanna vote him again.

I'm still gonna wait for tonight like Vifam asked, but it's something that came to my attention just now.

Could it be that Vifam is the redirector then?? I mean, that's the one role worth sacrificing their Ninja for (Ninja only got to use one of his 2-shots as he got lynched on D3).

Actually this raises yet another question about Scum play. Why -the heck- shoot the Watcher on N1 when you have a 2-shots Ninja???

[Almost50]

I've tried, and I can't think of any way that comm/Almost could be scum

Be me and have them call you scum. The vibes get much easier to see in my shoes.

Be us and try NOT to call you scum.

[SlySly]

I've tried, and I can't think of any way that comm/Almost could be scum

Be me and have them call you scum. The vibes get much easier to see in my shoes.

Be us and try NOT to call you scum.

The prana is vibrational and you are just not tuned into the right frequency, man.

[Ramcius]

hm, still nothing from Wifam, guess he just wanted use fully 48 hours of daytalk with his buddy, so if he flip red, Xnadroj i take out of SR list

[havingfitz]

Mod...v/LA until Monday.

[TheFuzzylogic99]

My concern is that Tywin was trying to delay the James lynch until a counter wagon formed.. Maybe I am just being paranoid and we have a TvT here but I am not sure Tywin is town. It felt like he was just luke warm about lynching James.

I dont see Vilfam as scum going on the VCA . If Vilfam is scum than she and Nero was super into bussing James to save thier own hides.

James guilty on Comm makes little sense .....if Comm flipped town than James would be eating rope today bc it would be clear he was fake claiming and was scum. If Comm flipped scum than he would get tons of town creds at the expense of lynching a scum buddy. Either way seems like risky play

not sure what to think of the whole Redirector decussion as it verges on out guess the mod. Than again I tend to be the one with the wild speculation ...so I dont know

[Ramcius]

My concern is that Tywin was trying to delay the James lynch until a counter wagon formed.. Maybe I am just being paranoid and we have a TvT here but I am not sure Tywin is town. It felt like he was just luke warm about lynching James.

I dont see Vilfam as scum going on the VCA . If Vilfam is scum than she and Nero was super into bussing James to save thier own hides.

James guilty on Comm makes little sense .....if Comm flipped town than James would be eating rope today bc it would be clear he was fake claiming and was scum. If Comm flipped scum than he would get tons of town creds at the expense of lynching a scum buddy. Either way seems like risky play

not sure what to think of the whole Redirector decussion as it verges on out guess the mod. Than again I tend to be the one with the wild speculation ...so I dont know

nice prod dodging skills and attempt to save your scumbuddy Wifam was effectively L-1 D1 (assuming his promise to self hammer), but none of flipped scums voted him, you don't find that weird or scummy associated? James was going die D3, if not, then D4, so voting him as a scumbuddy is best decision they could make - it's free towncred and no need explain refuse to vote him after his flip

You saying Tywin wanted wait for different wagon to form while Nero quickhammered James? Also, TTTT was in favor to wait too, he was VT, if you missed, guess that another example of your fuzzy logic

anyway, despite some people giving you free pass, i'll keep eye on you

[Almost50]

My concern is that Tywin was trying to delay the James lynch until a counter wagon formed.. Maybe I am just being paranoid and we have a TvT here but I am not sure Tywin is town. It felt like he was just luke warm about lynching James.

I dont see Vilfam as scum going on the VCA . If Vilfam is scum than she and Nero was super into bussing James to save thier own hides.

James guilty on Comm makes little sense .....if Comm flipped town than James would be eating rope today bc it would be clear he was fake claiming and was scum. If Comm flipped scum than he would get tons of town creds at the expense of lynching a scum buddy. Either way seems like risky play

not sure what to think of the whole Redirector decussion as it verges on out guess the mod. Than again I tend to be the one with the wild speculation ...so I dont know

Your fuzzy logic is intriguing. Let me try to address your thoughts as they appear on the quoted post:

1- I didn't see Tywin trying to save James. I saw Nero doing it. Tywin merely wanted to get a better read on everyone else by letting them speak before we lynched the caught scum and said so explicitly.

2- Nero did NOT try to bus James. Nero was trying his best to redirect the lynch. THAT is how I knew he was scum and thus why I shot him.

3- Vifam did do much either way. However, it must be noted (and it has been numerous times) that the Vifam wagon on D1 stalled resulting in a NL with both flipped Scum NOT willing to vote him.

4- It should also be noted how RC (now NC) went strong against both Nero and Vifam, and we now know Nero was Scum, so... I mean, I trust RC's reads to a great extent and his slot is clearly Town (I did defend that slot based on the way RC acted even before NC took over and/or Nero flipped).

5- The guilty on Comm was clearly a ploy to get him lynched, and YES James would have followed the next day but ONLY after had used his SECOND Ninja shot, rendering him a mere Goon. Losing a goon in return of a Role Cop is always welcome, especially since they didn't see the Nero assassination coming.

6- The redirector is now a FACT. It's in no way outguessing the mod anymore. Comm checked fitz and got my role instead, so 3 possibilities: Bus Driver, Redirector or Comm is a Goon and scum wanted to sacrifice him to out the Vig. (How they guessed there was one to begin with is meh. No extra kills for 2 nights = no SK, but why would they be certain there was a Vig?)

Anyway, Scum Bus Driver makes no sense to switch 2 Town slots with each other. Town Bus Driver should have claimed.

Goon making that stunt still sounds too farfetched even to me.

Scum redirector makes sense to redirect the Role Cop to a Town slot every day of the week, just in case Comm targeted one of them (and I would have expected him to target James even after he said that he won't).

If you want to refute our "speculation" you had better come up with a solid alternative narrative to explain all results and actions. Saying something doesn't convince you but failing to offer a logical alternative is scummy play regardless of it coming from a likely Town slot.

[Almost50]

See? Ram sees it too.

[CommKnight]

Fuzzy just dropped to scum lean on my list. It's obvious he didn't read a damn thing and I'm questioning whether he's even reading the game in general...

[TheFuzzylogic99]

@ almost

1) my concern is that Tywin was had no real intention to vote James and was either waiting for another wagon to form or to let James get lynched and claim he was on the James train but did not have a chance to vote him. Either way he looks town without voting his scum buddy, He could be town bjt right now I have my doubts

2) true

3) the biggest case on Vilfam is that she was not lynched day 1. I can see Vilfam as scum but I am looking for something a little bit more solid before voting Vilfam. Besides scum not voting Vilfam is there anything particular that makes her scum

4) what about RC reads makes you think that his reads are sheepable....besides the Nero read. I am trying to understand you a bit more

5) I was thinking number wise...but than again James was playing so crazy that anything is likely....especially what you were saying

6) okay.....I stand corrected. Thanks for correcting me

[Almost50]

4) what about RC reads makes you think that his reads are sheepable....besides the Nero read. I am trying to understand you a bit more

I meant RC's reads in general. I have played with RC several times before, and I know he can act crazy, but he has GOOD reads.

[Ramcius]

If Wifam flips redirector, i will jail Fuzzy, so if no kill after 2 days, you know what to do. I tell it now just in case they submit nk on me last night

[Ramcius]

Mod

does mafia members can use their abilities and carry same night?