Open 678 - White Flag GAME OVER!

[mastina]

Also, activity: Titus this game has a much lower activity than normal from her.

Yes, she's a replacement. Yes, she's got 63 posts in 5 days. (A rate of 12.5/day.) But look at how calculated those posts are. Their sparsity. Their location. Their succinctness. Their focus.

Titus isn't being aggressive. Titus is putting forward words, but she's not putting conviction behind them. They're just empty. Her posting is precise. She's not making posts, then making multiple posts to correct them. She's not posting up a storm. She's not engaging people dynamically. She's making brief interactions, dropping basic information, and then leaving nothing more.

Enough to appease the masses, not enough to actually make waves in the game.

This is Titus's scum meta to a T.

[mastina]

Also, Grey's 1078 and Aristophanes's 1080 are dead on the money in regards to Titus.

[mastina]

VOTE: Ari

Also, this is an absolutely shitty vote, because Aristophanes has a very, very, VERY strong, reliable meta tell:

If Aristophanes is active and posting content, he is town.
Vice-versa isn't true; Aristophanes being inactive and/or posting fluff he can do as both town and scum.
But this level of insight, this level of accurate analysis, this level of innate knowledge and crucial push, is something Aristophanes is incapable of maintaining so consistently as scum. And yet, he has. Aristophanes's content isn't sparse--it isn't sporadic. It isn't every once and a while. It is consistent and it is constant.

This is Aristophanes's towngame, through-and-through.

And Titus KNOWS this.
Titus is just as intimately familiar with Aristophanes as I am. Her reasons for voting Aristophanes were themselves shitty, but the very fact she voted him in the first place is the worst sin of all.

[mastina]

Why didn't anyone poke or talk to me about my TB case?
-Ali

Because ThinkBig is my lynch of last resort, if I can't lynch Titus, Transcend, or Pine.
Also my backup scumread.

If I am wrong on any of my three, ThinkBig moves into my scum pool. So your case definitely has merit. I don't necessarily think it's accurate--but it's at least possible to be true. At this time, I don't want to focus on it. Bring it back up on D2 or if we mislynch D3. You can bet your ass that if you're nightkilled I'll bring it up for you. But until I have no other choice, I'm not going to go after ThinkBig.

[mastina]

I don't really give a shit if I'm in your townreads list. I haven't done much to earn a spot there. But I shouldn't be in your scumreads list at all!
You still gave no cases on Riley or Trans, and though this is more of a case than you made there, it's still shitty.

Not only is this a good point, but like.
This is just pure townposting.

It just is.

Even if I knew nothing about Aristophanes! (Which I do.) Even if I had literally no experience with him.
From this post alone, I would be townreading him because this is just. not. scum.

[nancy]

VOTE: mastina

[mastina]

Is there something you'd like me to look at? I'm pretty decent when given direction but I'm usually pretty lost without questions and such.

Sure. You've given thoughts on Titus, but could you do me a favor and tell me what you think of Pine? You have experience there, so you should have some idea.
Also, I'd appreciate a look at Transcend, who I assume you also know.

If you do both of those, ThinkBig could use a looking at, too, but he's not as high of a priority.

[mastina]

[quote="In post 1101, Siblings Quarrel"Using VCA selectively to fit your narrative is pretty contradictory. I need more to see if that's scum!Titus or just Titus believing herself Titus.[/quote] It's scum-Titus.

I don't believe there was ever a case there either. Like, everything she's done looks like it was pulled out of a hat. There's no lead up to things, there's no reasoning, she's just going things to do things and saying things to say things and not trying to solve anything!

Why do you say this? Titus' answers should help me figure out if that's the case, but why do YOU think this Ari?

What's there to think? It's fact. There's no ifs ands or buts about it. She has no lead-up to thing. She has no reasoning. She isn't laying traps. She's just doing things to do things and saying things to say things, and there's no effort to gamesolve at all.

[Siblings Quarrel]

Mastina what do you think of how Thinkbig has been treating Titus?
-Ali

[mastina]

Riley on the other hand has done jackshit since I arrived and warrants further investigation. They come across fake as shit but so many random townreads and chainsaws.

Regardless of Riley's alignment, they serve a function for scum

.

This, and this alone, would be enough to warrant lynching Titus.

This is Titus admitting that she KNOWS Riley is town. She KNOWS that Riley is town, but she is prematurely giving a justification for her "scumread" to be wrong, because Riley "was helping scum anyway".

[nancy]

Nope.

[mastina]

One of the huuuugest reasons i voted fire was cos he refused to talk ta me at all!!! Town loves to talk to people cos they can sort em!!! AND NOW TITUS DOESN'T WANT TO TALK TO SO THAT JUST MAKES ME EVEN MORE SUSPICIOUS!!!!

Like this. This is so transparently town it's ridiculous. Fuck the gimmick. Read between the lines, pay attention to what Riley's actually pushing here. Firebringer was scum because he wasn't playing the way he would as town. The things he was saying, the things he was focusing on, they were all off.

Titus is scum because she is not talking. She is posting words--but she's not actually doing anything with them. She has formed conclusions first, rather than words first and conclusions later. A town Titus comes into the game and is coy about her reads, her presence, her stances. She holds back. She avoids laying her cards out on the table, because she wants to gather information and trap scum.

A scum Titus immediately comes out and lays the cards out on the table, as to establish a firm base. A scum Titus needs to establish early towncred, so instead of playing the long game, instead of being coy and holding back, she goes out and immediately pushes, because people read that strong bullheaded aggression as being town.

That is more or less what Riley is saying, and it is dead on the money.

[mastina]

Not sure how anyone needs more from her at the moment after her interactions with Firebringer.

This, too.

[mastina]

The way I see it, if Transcend is shim, I'm willing to sheep mastina's reads to victory.

Transcend's only my second-strongest scumread. (Pine's actually dropped down to third at this point.)

Titus is my strongest scumread.

[mastina]

VOTE: Transcend
Not feeling an Aristo wagon.

I don't feel Transcend.

GRRRR!!! YA SAID HE WAS OBVSCUM!!! ya keep changing ya mind titus!!!

This, too. Titus's stances are incredibly convenient and also not consistent. A contradiction like this is

exactly

how you nail a scum-Titus in play.

[mastina]

Scum don't say stuff like that ^

Also true.

[mastina]

Please don't lynch Riley. Lynch me first if you have to.

Town don't say stuff like that ^

Actually......

[mastina]

Riley, at this point, I am almost wanting to policy lynch you. You're not making any sense and are obviously attempting to be a really bad troll parody of KainTepes. For those who TR RC, why?

Fuckit.

Pine can be town.

ThinkBig is scum.
Transcend is scum.
Firebringer was scum, and Titus is scum.

[mastina]

Riley, at this point, I am almost wanting to policy lynch you. You're not making any sense and are obviously attempting to be a really bad troll parody of KainTepes. For those who TR RC, why?

hehe!!! Ya policy lynch someone not 'cos ya think they're scum, but because ya hate their guts!!!! But if ya scumread me, ya wouldn't even be thinking about a policy lynch!!! You'd just go "HOW RILEY ACTS DOESN'T MATTER!!!! SHE'S SCUMMY!!!!" and gobble me up!!! I think ya might be SCUM CAUGHT WITH COGNITIVE DISONNANCE!!!

This.
And it's not just ThinkBig.

It's Transcend. (Who has admittedly moved onto "town but want dead anyway", but he STARTED off with "scum and want dead anyway".)
And Firebringer.
And Titus, in Firebringer's slot now.

It's all of them.

All of them, with that exact same fucking attitude: "Riley Cake is annoying, and also scum, but annoying where I want to lynch Riley".
Exact. same. fucking. thing. From. all. of. them.

[ThinkBig]

VOTE: mastina

Why the naked vote on Mastina? Don't like this vote at all.

[mastina]

what do horses say?

Neigh

borhood.
Mayhaps, a three person one, with access to a nightkill.

[Siblings Quarrel]

VOTE: mastina

Why the naked vote on Mastina? Don't like this vote at all.

Why don't you like it?
-Ali

[mastina]

I still think ThinkBig is White Flag Gambitting btw.

Oh there's been a white flag gambit alright!

Sure as fuck not involving LUV though!

[Siblings Quarrel]

Also hey guys, let's play a game!
These are 3 of TB's ISOs as town:
https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.p ... 8#p8765728
https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.p ... 8#p8709357
https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.p ... 8#p8780492

Now look at TB's current ISO.
-Ali

[Siblings Quarrel]

Reads so far:

{-Grey-, mastina, titus}

{Aristophanes, pine, BTD6_maker}

{Falco XV, Tojam}

{

Riley Cake

, LUV, Siblings Quarrel}

{Transcend}

BTW mastina what do you see here? Hint: It's bolded.
-Ali