Civilization Mafia: Barbarian Encampment

[mastina]

Advantageous, even.
Because we claimed to be doccing Alisae, it leads Alisae to believe Alisae was the nightkill.

[Pine]

Go for leaning tower, yes.
Also fuck.
That probably wasn't a roleblock.
That was the other doctor.

I'd have preferred it being a roleblock.
But with the final kill being from our slot, it was probably the other doctor.

Who was thinking nancy was town, who could feasibly go for the Hanging Gardens D1?

Good points.

Kind of glad nancy is still alive. She and Alisae might be oil and water, but they're both a bit pocketed now.

[Gorkington]

if im doing anything stupid you guys can let me know.

[NoticeMeSenpai]

Things that could have messed with the nightkill:
The Hanging Gardens (doc on nancy)
Alhambra (roleblock on me)
The Great Wall (1s bp on nancy)

Why is hanging gardens more likely than great wall?

[Brian Skies]

I wonder if anyone even went for Terracotta.

[Brian Skies]

PV doesn't even get a vote. I want a vote.

[Pine]

Well, Ali's vote is the straw that broke the camel's back here. I'm done.

I'm town and haven't attempted to build a wonder.

...
Yeah you're scum.
Here's a couple reasons why.
A. Let's talk about the first bit on why you're scum here. Because this completely sounds like what Grey said in Open 665. You know, the game where Grey thought I was a mason but as soon as I said I wasn't I turned on him? Like tbh this sounds really faked and more like "Welp, lost my pocket."
B. So wait, you didn't even try to built the Cop? You KNOW how valuable this is, right?

B is a line I explicitly gave him

[Pine]

Oh I see. LUV is softing Oracle.

[JaeReed]

Where? If you're talking about the stuff Ali quoted that's all from D1 before it was available.

[Pine]

Oh fair enough.

[Pine]

SO hey guys, my math says that we only need three more mislynches if we execute our night actions correctly. Four if we miss another kill.

Also, Alisae wants to claim Mausoleum and claim I have Hanging Gardens to draw out the real Hanging Gardens. He's convinced that scum have HG because they didn't Doc Frog and stopped a kill on Math, because he thinks vig tried to kill Math. Once they've claimed, we reveal gambit and lynch away.

This is a terrible idea from Town perspective. It's just as bad from our perspective too, right? Is outing Hanging Gardens worth the exposure?

[Brian Skies]

Tell him there are like a million reasons why Math wouldn't have died, regardless of his alignment.

Also, why is he targeting Hanging Gardens specifically (who cares if Frogger wasn't protected)? There are two doc roles in this game (and there's going to be another).

[Brian Skies]

We don't even know if anyone picked up vig (or picked it up and tried to shoot already).

[Brian Skies]

Oh, right, because he knows Jaereed is the other doc. Baiting doc claims is really dumb and bad. Don't do it.

[mastina]

With Creature as the roleblocker paying attention to his reads I don't think he blocked us, though there's no guarantee he didn't block someone who's scum creating a false-guilty.

[NoticeMeSenpai]

This is a terrible idea from Town perspective. It's just as bad from our perspective too, right? Is outing Hanging Gardens worth the exposure?

Given you have to ask I'd say no. Especially if you wouldn't pull it as town, since it's not exactly a pro-town gambit and you're very recently on record post-game in a game nancy was in as being against running a lot of those.

[Pine]

All good points. I just needed to be talked off the ledge. It was just so tempting to endorse a bad Town gambit.

[Pine]

Tracking all wonders and claims so far. Haven't caught up since last night, so I'm a dozen pages behind, may be missing something. Need to make sure this never gets accidentally posted to main thread, b/c it talks very frankly about scum identities and knowledge.

Hanging Gardens - UNKNOWN (Almost certainly built)
Pyramids - PeregrineV (Dead, treestumped)
Mausoleum - Alisae (Alive, pocketed)
Stonehenge - MathBlade (Alive, managed)
Statue of Zeus - ABR (dead)
Great Lighthouse - Cloudkicker (SCUMBRO)

The Oracle - UNKNOWN
Petra - Sondam (Dead)
The Colossus - UNKNOWN (Probably not built)
Terracotta Army - UNKNOWN (Either not built or used up)
The Parthenon - NoticeMeSenpai (SCUMBRO)

Chichen Itza - UNKNOWN (Probably built)
Alhambra - Softclaimed by Creature
The Great Wall - UNKNOWN
Hagia Sophia - Claimed by Vecna
Machu Picchu - NOT BUILT

Dead without wonders - beeboy, Fro99er

Town Alive

Alisae

Nero Cain
KidAmn

MathBlade

Leonshade

Creature

Lil Uzi Vert

- EXPLICITLY CLAIMS NO WONDER

Vecna

davesaz
Maxous
nancy

Our suspects for Hanging Gardens and Chichen Itza, the most threatening wonders, are therefore Nero Cain, Yuri/KidAmn, Leonshade, davesaz, Maxous, and nancy. We should probably be focusing on these players.

I'm going to send in the Leaning Tower build order.

[Nahdia]

Caesar Wills It is building the Leaning Tower.

[Pine]

Interestingly enough, that list of targets, plus LUV, is all Town has left for building opportunities. And two of those at least have built something. Town can build five more wonders at most to our three. We're playing with a nearly open setup here.

Also, I discussed building Leaning Tower with Alisae. With Creature claiming Alhambra, I'm concerned that, should he flip Town, any further roleblocks may be transparently from me.

[JaeReed]

Chichen Itza - UNKNOWN (Probably built)

Definitely built, since I think we had Brian try to build it and it failed.

[Pine]

Right, yes.

[JaeReed]

Also, a point that should be taken in to account, I have seen LUV repeatedly fakeclaim as town. Like, in almost every game that I have played with/modded for him. It wouldn't surprise me if he had a wonder.

[mastina]

Of those players, who had nancy as strongly town?
I'm not the most up-to-date on the gamestate, but that'd loosely suggest to me KidAm (IF Kid has nancy experience, a blind nancy protect would be possible; if not, KidAm does not have that wonder), Leonshade, davesaz, or Maxous.

...Interestingly enough, half those are players we want gone anyway. (Leonshade/Maxous.) So at this point even if Leonshade's accurate in reads to a disturbing level he should probably be the nightkill. Players aren't doing much NKA at this stage, and we wouldn't be killing him for his reads; we'd be killing him to hunt for PRs. Thoughts?

[Pine]

I think there's a lot of support for a Leonshade ML. I think I might shift gears and push him today.