Civilization Mafia [GAME OVER]

[Maxous]

I'm town and haven't attempted to build a wonder.

why not

[MathBlade]

You're scum. You can all bus LUV tomorrow. You die first.

1) I'm town. It's been thoroughly demonstrated as such.
2) We lynch LUV now. I was talking with the person who built Halicarnassus D1 and have crumbed or outright mentioned this before.
3) LUV doesn't explain the hammer.

The scum went after MariaR because she is perceived as an easy mislynch.

If you want to mislynch me nancy you're going to have to make a case because LUV is scum and needs rope badly. There's no way in hell I'm getting mislynched over lying scum.

[Lil Uzi Vert]

None of those 5 people had a realistic chance of happening most of the day.

...This is Day 4 and we haven't had a scum wagon yet. Bullshit on just voting popular wagons. At least TRY. Like in Open 665 you tried. Even when you were lurktastic in WWE Mafia you tried.

I have tried, I'm done trying now. WWE Mafia despite how bastard it was is exactly why Nero should realize I'm town.

I'm town and haven't attempted to build a wonder.

why not

I didn't like any of them. Except Pyramids and The Oracle.

[nancy]

I won't be appeased.

[Alisae]

LUV why did you like The Oracle?

[Lil Uzi Vert]

You're scum. You can all bus LUV tomorrow. You die first.

1) I'm town. It's been thoroughly demonstrated as such.
2) We lynch LUV now. I was talking with the person who built Halicarnassus D1 and have crumbed or outright mentioned this before.
3) LUV doesn't explain the hammer.

The scum went after MariaR because she is perceived as an easy mislynch.

If you want to mislynch me nancy you're going to have to make a case because LUV is scum and needs rope badly. There's no way in hell I'm getting mislynched over lying scum.

[MathBlade]

Your VCA is a PoS too nancy. Until a scum flip occurs the best you can get is there's likely at least 1-2 scum in (x players) etc. Coloring people red shows your biases.

Pedit: So let me get this straight, we don't know how far we are from LyLO and you're "done trying now". Bullshit. You have a scum role PM.

[Lil Uzi Vert]

LUV why did you like The Oracle?

Potential scum slips and priority thing.

[Lil Uzi Vert]

Your VCA is a PoS too nancy. Until a scum flip occurs the best you can get is there's likely at least 1-2 scum in (x players) etc. Coloring people red shows your biases.

Pedit: So let me get this straight, we don't know how far we are from LyLO and you're "done trying now". Bullshit. You have a scum role PM.

[Caesar Wills It]

And yet thou didst not try for it because...?

[nancy]

Please, continue scumclaiming. Colors are pretty, I tried a lot of variations and I like the one where you're red best.

[Lil Uzi Vert]

And yet thou didst not try for it because...?

I wanted something that suited me better.

[MathBlade]

Please, continue scumclaiming. Colors are pretty, I tried a lot of variations and I like the one where you're red best.

Liking something doesn't make it true. FYI I also can't scum claim as I'm not scum.

Likely at least one scum if not more in: CloudKicker, PV, nancy, Gorkington, Creature, Alisae, Leonshade, Brian Skies, Yuri
Likely at least one scum if not more in: Lil Uzi Vert, Vecna, Leonshade, Caesar Wills It, nancy, Alisae, CloudKicker
Likely at least one scum if not more in: Vecna, Creature, Nero Cain, Gorkington, Caesar Wills It, Brian Skies, Leonshade, Lil Uzi Vert

That is what we know from VCA (and obviously I'm town sooooooo)

Then start adding and subtracting townreads from that list. If people suggest scum teams that don't meet those criteria I'm going to go WTF and ask how an all town lynch on that specific day happened. You'll see that's what I did from earlier VCAs as well.

Nero, PV, Caesar, LUV << I think those four are all scum.

[MathBlade]

I'm going to bed since I'm tired as hell. Very little time tomorrow interview prep.

[Alisae]

PV is not scum stop it math.

[Lil Uzi Vert]

Good luck at the interview.

[Lil Uzi Vert]

Please, continue scumclaiming. Colors are pretty, I tried a lot of variations and I like the one where you're red best.

Liking something doesn't make it true. FYI I also can't scum claim as I'm not scum.

Likely at least one scum if not more in: CloudKicker,

PV

, nancy,

Gorkington

,

Creature

,

Alisae

,

Leonshade

,

Brian Skies

, Yuri
Likely at least one scum if not more in: Lil Uzi Vert,

Vecna

,

Leonshade

, Caesar Wills It, nancy,

Alisae

, CloudKicker
Likely at least one scum if not more in:

Vecna

,

Creature

, Nero Cain,

Gorkington

, Caesar Wills It,

Brian Skies

,

Leonshade

, Lil Uzi Vert

That is what we know from VCA (and obviously I'm town sooooooo)

Then start adding and subtracting townreads from that list. If people suggest scum teams that don't meet those criteria I'm going to go WTF and ask how an all town lynch on that specific day happened. You'll see that's what I did from earlier VCAs as well.

Nero, PV, Caesar, LUV << I think those four are all scum.

5 minutes wasted and didn't learn anything lololol

[Lil Uzi Vert]

Anyway if you want to sort me at least until the 16th, take note of what I responded to after I posted that DK picture.

[davesaz]

Damn, resolution phase and my catchup is 15 pages already.
On page 398, Creature

[Vecna]

VOTE: Nay
No. Let's not give scum that information thanks.

scumclaim

VOTE: Nay

The info isn't all that useful, and we can make people claim it anyway if we really want to know.

Oh yeah btw I'm pretty sure Leon is scum now considering his Sondam vote.

Sondam was going to be lynched with or without my vote, I merely sped up the process.

Wtf, scumclaim

Glorious Caesar greets the new Senators, and presumes that they shall serve the patricians they represent with dedication and wit.

We are most pleased with the foiling of whatever Barbarian plots were attempted in the night, and have little regret for the condemnation of the late Senator Sondam. While their innocence has since been proven, We feel that they were more useful to Our cause as a momentary diversion in the arena than any efforts they attempted in the Senate chambers.

We shall collect Ourself and present Our cause against the heathens Vecna and Leonshade later this day.

Augustus Caesar

How convenient. Its true, but you didnt state this as a reason at all.

We bid the criminal Leonshade to silence, as his voice grates upon Our Ears.

We are quite concerned that certain Senators are using the spectre of Barbarian influence as a pretext to deny information to the Senators. The resolution proposed would be of great value in assessing claims made, and is of practically no detriment. We dismiss any fearmongering to the contrary with contempt.

VOTE: Yea

Good. This resolution better not have passed with a Nay in my absence. Currently rereading from the start of the day and live commenting as we go. Im just gonna assume I was docsaved for convenience's sake.

[Alisae]

oh no Vecna is death tunneling me again D:

[Vecna]

No. Let's not give scum that information thanks.

convince me.

Kinda nice that Gorkington replaced into a most-likely scumslot since itll probably be rather easy to confirm during my reread whether my suspicions are true.

Attention to Gorkingposts increased to AAA status

Gork tbh I expect that from you.
Actually yeah I like your arguements.
VOTE: Yea
#180sarescummy.

EXPLAIN WHY YOU LIKED THEM

. The arguments didnt make sense at all, and were clearly from someone that didnt know the setup. More scumclaim from Alisae.

hm i had an idea about the rsolution but it doesnt really works

Would like to know what this was.

Exemple :

CK tried to build
X : not built
Y : built

We know that town has X and mefias doesnt. Mefia would already know that town has X so theres no downside or am i not seeing it ?

The downside is when town flips and the same scenario happens no? Like mefia would know which wonders they tried to build and failed, if mefia doesnt have that wonder then town has it. Its like a resolution that is like "win more" than a resolution that helps town with their mislynches

Good-post, the first clear reasoning on the topic.

well let's do a bit of a rundown here:

MathBlade

- between herself and Titus, has to be town surely. it was ridiculous scum-theater if they're not

Brian Skies

- Drixx was so obviously town that i'm sticking to the read. at least until i get a damn good reason why i shouldn't.

Caesar Wills It

- Still think Pine bleeds town here. I'll be disapointed if i'm misreading him *this* badly. but i don't think i am

Vecna

- I would certainly hope he's town considering his behaviour around the ABR wagon on D2.

NoticeMeSenpai

- still a very genuine slot that i would be surprised to see flip scum.

nancy

- Spiffeh's meltdown was town and nancy is fairly town too despite very whimsical read changes.

---

Alisae
Nero Cain
Leonshade
Gorkington
Creature
Lil Uzi Vert

---

lynch-list

KidAmn - Yuri probably should of been lynched D1 in retrosepect. Yuri coasted like fuck on D2 & D3 when he wasn't under pressure anymore. Wasn't exactly a town-read for me on Day 1 either..i regret not hammering.
CloudKicker - still scum.
davesaz - i got some cold feet about lynching him yesterday but i can't quite remember why. A glance at his ISO shows that reads are still scarce from him and he seems more interested in explaning why he's not giving reads instead of playing along and just giving reads. Vote on Mathblade doesn't impress either.

This is a nice post for evaluation actually. Showing regret about earlier actions? Sounds town'ish. At the same time, I never saw town-Maxous be this elaborate in PYP as town. Not really agreeing with the reads regarding drixx and Notice. Also rather weak-ass lynch list since it shows NO suspicion in any of the active players at all. Will keep this post in mind for later.

Maxous if you really want to have any credibility whatsoever with me you need to provide content so i can sort you correclty, saying im still scum doesnt cut it

Your scum list is pretty terrible, dave towntold recently and yuri is one of the most likely town slot for the game behaviors of d1. i agree with the nancy/vecna reads mostly everything else should moves

Cloudkicker slot continuing to make town-posts.

my town-list is not open for debate unless there's a

really

good specific reason.

i even trimmed people i kinda town-read but am not very confident on like creature and Leon.

p-edit: PV is town.
can we please stop debating this?

Seems like a pretty town-reply from maxous here tbh.

@Nero @Vecna I have no idea if my push on you yesterday had anything to do with you both being alive today, but I'd like to think so. It was pretty obvious we weren't netting a scum lynch, I tried to make the best of a bad situation.

@Maxous the hydra dissonance doesn't have to be scum theater. It is entirely possible for all of that to occur within a scum hydra and be 100% genuine.

I dont get this post at all. Nancy is dropping fast on my townreads list, especially after the emo-outburst at the Davesaz wagon yesterday. Starting to suspect it couldve been scum whiteknighting. Still makes more sense as town than scum but I really dont like the direction of their recent posting.

@Nero @Vecna I have no idea if my push on you yesterday had anything to do with you both being alive today, but I'd like to think so. It was pretty obvious we weren't netting a scum lynch, I tried to make the best of a bad situation.

@Maxous the hydra dissonance doesn't have to be scum theater. It is entirely possible for all of that to occur within a scum hydra and be 100% genuine.

...Nero should have been lynched. We could have flash lynched Nero and probably hit a scum lynch.

Someone please explain Nero townreads please?

I even said MariaR towntold wtf people?
I say Beeboy is town people don't listen wtf?

So you told us 2 of our lynches were town. Even I knew Sondam was town yesterday. I still have no clue why he got speedlynched in the way he did since it was obv it was gonna be a mislynch. Im not gonna say I mind since I did call for it. Id like to see you analyze the wagon formation and give me your conclusions on it. I have a very strong idea about it, and id like to see if it matches your conclusion. At any way, I would be able to take your reads more seriously if you didnt continue to scumread the most obvious town in this game (HINT: me).

Hey Math.
Your scumread on Nero and PV is bad.

Okay tell me how. Show me where I am wrong so I read them better.

Kid idc but I got a question for ya.
Your previous slot holder stated they built Machu Picchu. Can you confirm this?

ALISAE CONTINUES TO IGNORE ALL QUESTIONS. MATHBLADE JUST LETS HIM IGNORE THE QUESTION AND NEVER FOLLOWS UP ON IT.

Kid idc but I got a question for ya.
Your previous slot holder stated they built Machu Picchu. Can you confirm this?

I really hate to call myself a liar, but I gotta. I don't have Machu Picchu. I would hope you'll understand that I don't want to discuss any other builds/failed builds at this point?

Oh good because he didn't. Saying you did have that would be a scumclaim.

Interesting. Real genuine reaction test, or scum theatre?

Does a roleblock count as a guilty?

TOWN PICKING THE ROLEBLOCK SHOULD PROBABLY NOT USE IT.

its funny because your pred did exactly what you are doing rn

:/

Even if it blocked the kill, you dont count it as a guilty inb4 i get fosed for saying this.

fos.

Feels like scumposting from gork

Okay, I won't state who I roleblocked for a while, for reactions.

Reminder for myself to get deeper into this if it hasnt.

Who do you have a guilty on?

This is a scum response.

I still will most likely lynch the person I blocked.

If it's within my SRs I will rejoice for having an acccurate view of the game right now.

{Caesar, CK, Maxous, Nero, PV, Vecna}
{Brian, davesaz}
{Yurislot}
{Ginslot}
{Aslan, Leonshade, Math, Notice, LUV}

What the hell? Im suddenly your top townread again?

So youre thinking the notice post attacking you for a read on Alisae is fake? I STILL DEMAND THE REASONING WHY THAT HAPPENED.

Also there way in hell you consider JaeReed scum here.

Why the fuck not? The slot is uber-scummy and hasnt done shit all game. START EXPLAINING SHIT.

Thank you for finally fucking Towntelling Senpai.

OK so this puts me at:

MathBlade

Brian Skies

davesaz

NoticeMeSenpai

Aslan

Creature

Caesar Wills It

TheRealGin-N-Tonic

PeregrineV

CloudKicker

Sondam

Yuri

Lil Uzi Vert

Leonshade

Maxous

Vecna

Nero Cain

Which is strikingly similar to where I was at much earlier in the day, I just have a lot more confidence in this now.

Not after a post like this especially considering the bolded.

At least you noticed this too. So youre very honed in on the fishy-ness going on here. Might also mean you are actually scum with Notice though. The flip from Nancy could make some sense if she simply agrees with my assesment of whats going on here. Hmmmm

[Vecna]

Also alisae, did you change your playstyle? i think you did

Im not the only one noticing the difference in Alisae playstyle. Interesting.

VOTE: LUV

Scum please bus.

If I'm scum I'm bussing atm, please help me.

Oh look at this. The slot is flipping around me/Alisae/Notice VERY HARD. Yet what does it vote? LUV? The fuck?

How can you have this much of a read flipping around going on, AND NOT wanting to lynch to sort it out for yourself?

This reads very much like <SCUMCLAIM> to me. Damn, was I wrong all this time? Explaining time or dying time Nancy.

btw if someone grabbed Chichen Itza it's basicly a cop, just target yourself and one other player if you're town.

Can only be done once, and is a bad use of the wonder since you already know your own allignment. DO NOT DO THIS.

Math, Forbidden Palace was made for you.

Did you suddenly forget math already has a wonder?

LUV is 100% a better lynch today than Leon. Leon can die tomorrow.

Again no mention of either Alisae or Notice....the 2 people that went from top townread to top scumread earlier. The hell is this.

Wow, you people suck at scumhunting.

Townread of creature is also slowly vanishing.

There's literally no way that Aslan isn't scum here. All his behavior with scumslots aside his play yesterday and today is just scum overload.

Yet youre pushing elsewhere, and keep insisting that she's bussing Leon. Yet youre voting LUV. Does not add up.

You gave off some pretty reliable Town tells according to the meta I have on you.

Yeah no you don't consider me as scum here after saying this.

Meta is not reliable.

Hmmmmm. Starting to expect that Alisae vs Nancy is scum vs scum based on interactions like this. Would also explain why notice noticed (he-he) the discrepancy in Nancy scumreading Alisae and the slot instantly flipping.
Only works if Notice is town though, which im not so sure about.

do you have experience with his towngame?

Yeah I played with him in Code Geass Mafia when he was town and there he was basicly obvtown from what I remember. Yet again this was like going back to like D3 and D4 where we were blatantly gamesolving and were on the right pace.
https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=69708

I agree with this assesment btw, Leonshade is starting to look more different from his play there as the days pass by. He was very involved D1/D2 but is getting less and less involved as the game progresses and doesnt have anywhere near the same sense of gamesolving desire.

Based on that game I also feel youre playing different though.

Whats stopping you?

oh dangit are my posts not seeming very town?
hm.
i'll try and readjust.
do you have any suggestions for me?

Gorkington trying out the too scum to be scum approach? Hows it working out gorker?

Vecna Vecna Vecna

Let's see if that works.

It does, but you'll generally have to wait till its not nighttime in my timezone

I said I see it as an option coming up if the current wagons don't pick up

this is scum planning to go with whatever wagon is popular.

I really dont think so. Ive seen his scum-game and his voting behaviour and reasoning is way different. Im not saying im infallible in my reads and all that, but I really really think this wagon on LUV is another mislynch. And I havent tried to dissuade any other wagon so far this game (i think?) but I really dont want LUV to be our lynch today.

VOTE: LUV
yeah fine this read has degraded to scum now.

The fuck, after all this nancy/leonshade you just compromise to this? Really?

Hey buddy!
Your posts today have been disgusting.

Wrong

Well, Ali's vote is the straw that broke the camel's back here. I'm done.

I'm town and haven't attempted to build a wonder.

Well that was awkward.

Senators Alisae and nancy, desist this instant with thy antagonism. Your loyalty is entirely assured in My Eyes, and We will not have your bickering distract from the holy mission of this Senate, namely to serve the Roman people. We would chastise you both to teach you a lesson in humility and wisdom, but We require your services in council.

Our scribe is preparing a lengthy address to the Senate regarding Our present positions on matters of import, but the short of it is that We endorse motions against the criminals and traitors known as Vecna, Leonshade, and Lil Uzi Vert. This last We know We have provided little reasoning for, and We note that a large part of this reason is that the selfsame Lil Uzi Vert defied Our quite explicit decree that the final motion to convict be held until your Emperor be able to present His case on him. We find this no small coincidence. In Our address on the morrow, We shall lay Our allegations against each of these three barbarians, as well as present Our suspicions as to who their compatriots may be.

Caesar Wills It

And this slot is still slowly slithering by WITHOUT THAT DAMN CASE ON ME, AND ANY IN-DEPTH REASONING AS TO WHY IT IS SO PERSISTANT IN ITS HORRIBLE READ.

VOTE: Caesar - youre reaching Sondam levels of annoying/useless by now and youre doing nothing to let us read your slot, and ill gaslit your ass any second now if you keep this shit up. If you didnt notice - nearly everyone is gonna sheep me in this game. So how about you do as I ask so we can deduce whether your read on me is genuine or whether we indeed need to lynch you? Because I do agree with your Leonshade read, but youre not giving us anything to figure out whether your just bussing there if the slot is scum.

Additionally, We note that this most recent claim by the scoundrel Lil Uzi Vert is precisely what a constructor of the Great Lighthouse or Machu Picchu would say.

True, but its also what any town would say that has been harping about waiting for the late-era wonders all game.

Only going to respond with DK from now.

Can you guys just trust me this is his town defence style? Ive been observing his scum-defences all game long in PYP where he also was under constant attack. THIS IS NOTHING LIKE THAT.

People are hopping onto this wagon because were close to catching scum elsewhere.

Please, continue scumclaiming. Colors are pretty, I tried a lot of variations and I like the one where you're red best.

Liking something doesn't make it true. FYI I also can't scum claim as I'm not scum.

Likely at least one scum if not more in: CloudKicker, PV, nancy, Gorkington, Creature, Alisae, Leonshade, Brian Skies, Yuri
Likely at least one scum if not more in: Lil Uzi Vert, Vecna, Leonshade, Caesar Wills It, nancy, Alisae, CloudKicker
Likely at least one scum if not more in: Vecna, Creature, Nero Cain, Gorkington, Caesar Wills It, Brian Skies, Leonshade, Lil Uzi Vert

That is what we know from VCA (and obviously I'm town sooooooo)

Then start adding and subtracting townreads from that list. If people suggest scum teams that don't meet those criteria I'm going to go WTF and ask how an all town lynch on that specific day happened. You'll see that's what I did from earlier VCAs as well.

Nero, PV, Caesar, LUV << I think those four are all scum.

Making note; Town-mathblade in PYP did never do VCA. Town-mathblade in PYP never kept repeating that "he's town obviously" even after getting voted. Also I dont see any of the agitated self-righteous tunneling in this game. Townread/nullread of mathblade is going down a bit more.

[Vecna]

Lets see if I can do something with my different trains of thought.

Universe 1:

Alisae Nero Cain nancy Vecna CloudKicker Lil Uzi Vert

KidAmn MathBlade Creature Maxous Brian Skies davesaz

Leonshade
Gorkington
Caesar Wills It
NoticeMeSenpai

Alternative universe 1:

Alisae Nero Cain NoticeMeSenpai Vecna CloudKicker Lil Uzi Vert

KidAmn MathBlade Creature Brian Maxous Skies davesaz

Leonshade
Gorkington
Caesar Wills It
nancy

Alternative universe 2:

Nero Cain NoticeMeSenpai Vecna CloudKicker Lil Uzi Vert

KidAmn MathBlade Creature Maxous Brian Skies davesaz

Leonshade
Gorkington
Caesar Wills It
nancy
Alisae

Do take note; I do not have very super-strong scumreads yet. Some deep level comparisons on Nero make me town-lean there since his involvement is indeed picking up compared to his usual scum one-liners. He might be doing that to distort reads ofcourse, but all his reasoning so far I can follow and see coming from a town-place. Dont think he;d be able to fake it.

The trinity of Notice/Nancy/Alisae is of importance, but its as of yet very hard to deduce which is scum and town there. I could see nancy/alisae be SvS theater, TvT clown fiesta with either notice as a laughing third scum or town as well, or the scenario where only nancy or only Alisae is scum. I dont think Nancy and Notice are scum together due to the way Notice called nancy out, and I dont think hed do that as a bus (but I could be wrong ofcourse).

Ill need to do some more in-depth looking at the sondam case, allthough when I was reading it during the night I already felt a certain way that I will not disclose yet.

My agitation with the ceasar slot is growing.

For now, id say Leonshade is the most likely lynch resulting in scum. Very big 180, but im starting to suspect he was indeed copying most of my reads day1/2 and he isnt showing any desire to solve this game anymore.

VOTE: Leonshade

[Vecna]

oh no Vecna is death tunneling me again D:

Sucks that trying to kill me during the night didnt work right?

Call GM - If you get doc-saved, would you get a notification that you were saved from a kill?