Civilization Mafia [GAME OVER]

[nancy]

Holy shit walls.

[Creature]

I got another scum yey

[Vecna]

Trump should hire me.

[Vecna]

Talk Creature, what was all this stuff about roleblocking. You probably shouldnt be using the roleblock too much (or not at all) since it has a lot more likelyhood to ruin town wonders than scum wonders.

Call GM - if the person performing the scum factional kill is roleblocked, will it stop the factional kill altogether, or will another person perform the kill meaning it will still happen?

[Vecna]

Also im just going to out this since I expect scum tried to kill me so they can WIFOM later on that my wonder was used to frame them or w/e (which would mean they took the wonder to hide people their builds).

I AM THE BUILDER OF THE HAGIA SOFIA. ALL YOUR INVESTIGATIONS SHALL PROVIDE TRUTHFULL RESULTS SINCE I SHALL NEVER USE THIS WONDER.

EDIT: Please don't use my color or similar shades kthx.

[nancy]

At least you noticed this too. So youre very honed in on the fishy-ness going on here. Might also mean you are actually scum with Notice though. The flip from Nancy could make some sense if she simply agrees with my assesment of whats going on here. Hmmmm

What is your assessment of what is going on here? There's nothing fishy, I was WIFOMing the fuck out of Notice and watching how they responded. It's called scumhunting.

VOTE: LUV

Scum please bus.

If I'm scum I'm bussing atm, please help me.

Oh look at this. The slot is flipping around me/Alisae/Notice VERY HARD. Yet what does it vote? LUV? The fuck?

How can you have this much of a read flipping around going on, AND NOT wanting to lynch to sort it out for yourself?

I'm scumreading LUV..?

[nancy]

Uhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh.........................

[nancy]

Was that just the moment where I thought that I knew what was going on in this game but then realized that I actually don't

[Maxous]

At least that clears my small doubts about Vecna.
So..I think LUV might of built a scum power.
If he's not lynched today I want him to build a PROVABLE role as soon as possible.

[Maxous]

This actually works both ways.
If he genuinely hasn't built anything yet he's probably town because I think scum would of built something by now for leverage.
If he can't build anything then he picked up a scum power like daytalk or janitor.

[Vecna]

Maxous, I want you to work with me and clear LUV since he is a mislynch. You should have the same meta on him and see the very very clear difference in his play from PYP. His current play just oozes town in a way that everyone should see that has played with him before imo.

Were not gonna force him to play the way we want him to. He's town and were not lynching him or wasting effort there.

[Vecna]

At least you noticed this too. So youre very honed in on the fishy-ness going on here. Might also mean you are actually scum with Notice though. The flip from Nancy could make some sense if she simply agrees with my assesment of whats going on here. Hmmmm

What is your assessment of what is going on here? There's nothing fishy, I was WIFOMing the fuck out of Notice and watching how they responded. It's called scumhunting.

VOTE: LUV

Scum please bus.

If I'm scum I'm bussing atm, please help me.

Oh look at this. The slot is flipping around me/Alisae/Notice VERY HARD. Yet what does it vote? LUV? The fuck?

How can you have this much of a read flipping around going on, AND NOT wanting to lynch to sort it out for yourself?

I'm scumreading LUV..?

So this flip-flopping around your vote on me, was just a reaction test as well? And you do this provably in all your games?

[nancy]

At least that clears my small doubts about Vecna.

What doubts does it clear?

[nancy]

So this flip-flopping around your vote on me, was just a reaction test as well? And you do this provably in all your games?

Yes no. I'm moving away from heavy WIFOM in my play actually, it was mostly an experiment.

[Leonshade]

why is that useful though?
my opinion is inherently skewed in a way thats literally just going to be me saying "yup thats town because reason because i know its true".
theres no objectivity there.
theres also that i feel like its a waste of time to iso my own slot, figure out what the mindframe was, just to justify actions that i will never be able to fully represent properly because i dont know what he was thinking.

you would rather me do that than read other people and give thoughts there?

You can do both

im not going to.
deal with it.

you can either choose for me to wiffle around in my own slot's iso to pointlessly justify his behavior

or i can play the game, actually give a shit and drive gamestate.

but actually you dont get to choose im doing the latter.

Bolded looks LAMIST.

I didn't ask you to justify your predecessor's actions or waffle through his ISO, I asked you for thoughts. You wrote a lot of words explaining why it would be useless for you to respond to my question, but zero questioning my motives for asking such a supposedly useless question. You just replaced in and don't seem to have a read on me, could I not be scum pretending to scumhunt with useless questions?

[Vecna]

So this flip-flopping around your vote on me, was just a reaction test as well? And you do this provably in all your games?

Yes no. I'm moving away from heavy WIFOM in my play actually, it was mostly an experiment.

How about you post a list of your -actual- reads without wifom?

And then tell me which of your posts containing reads, IN THE PAST, were real reads.

I want to be able to follow your real progression of reads. Testing people and pushing for a reaction is fine. Being completely unaccountable for everything you say, or every read you got is not. We already have one such person in this game (ceasar) and that annoyance is more than enough.

[Maxous]

Maxous, I want you to work with me and clear LUV since he is a mislynch. You should have the same meta on him and see the very very clear difference in his play from PYP. His current play just oozes town in a way that everyone should see that has played with him before imo.

Were not gonna force him to play the way we want him to. He's town and were not lynching him or wasting effort there.

I've played one game with the dude.
I'm not qualified to make a meta call on him

At least that clears my small doubts about Vecna.

What doubts does it clear?

That he wasn't town?

[KidAmn]

Brief thoughts from my phone based on recent events, what I've read of the massive backlog of 90% shitposts, and the last 10-15 pages:

Caesar appears to have been gliding through most of the last three days on "lol look at my funny quirk" and the occasional bit of content whenever the prod comes near. However, the persistence with the quirk after being told several times its a pain in the arse to read leaves me at a nullread so far there. I agree that content post needs to be soon.

Alisae/A+N have been pinging me hard on my readthrough and the "scumcheck" founded entirely on hoping I'm as stupid as my account age is short and that I was being truthful on my readthrough progress didn't improve that. That said, I have like 100 pages of bullshit left to wade through. Watching that space.

Creature's whole "gosh I have no idea what I'm doing" schtick from D2 is the polar opposite of his town meta from what I've read of him for [redacted ongoing] and while I don't have my notes at work I recall at least one instance of blatant coaching from Leon that had Creature high on my scumreads (from where I've read to, I'm feeling strongly that's a 2scum interaction which makes me wary of any claimed confscum coming from him). He's concise but switched on as town, and his posting during D2 smelt the opposite - still his usual 2-3 lines a post but waffle and even less content than usual.

Incidentally, that coaching incident is one thing that contributed to some serious scumvibes on Leon. Again , when I have my notes in front of me can go into this more.

@Vecna - I'm not up to date yet, what questions is Alisae avoiding?

Addendum: phone posting sucks.

[Leonshade]

Whats stopping you?

oh dangit are my posts not seeming very town?
hm.
i'll try and readjust.
do you have any suggestions for me?

So you're gonna stick to this "too scummy"/fluff thing? Gin did the same thing.

"Why would scum keep doing it if they're getting SR'd for it?"

Precisely so people think that. Why would town keep playing in a way that gets them scumread? Town would try to fix their play, it's scum that would go for this WIFOM.

youre leaning town.
seems like youre angry.
and frustration usually builds unreliable reads.
i would suggest sitting on it and coming back to it because im not really going to find anything compelling in what youre pushing there atm.

Forced. How do you know that Ali's reads might be unreliable, if you haven't read the game?

[Leonshade]

VOTE: Leonshade

I don't think any of nancy, Ali, or Luv are scum.

Explain.

OMGAWD LUV CEASAR IS NOT GETTING LYNCHED HOW MANY FUCKING TIMES DO I HAVE TO TELL YOU.

Trusting you is the only reason I didn't want to lynch Caesar yesterday, but based on your current reads I'm not sure I can trust your judgment on Caesar, either.

[Nahdia]

Lynch Vote 4.03

Leonshade (3):

CloudKicker, Brian Skies, Vecna

Lil Uzi Vert (3):

Nero Cain, Alisae, MathBlade

MathBlade (1):

nancy

Not Voting (9):

KidAmn, Leonshade, Gorkington, Creature, Caesar Wills It, Lil Uzi Vert, davesaz, Maxous, NoticeMeSenpai

With 16 players alive, it takes 9 to lynch by majority.
Lynch deadline is in (expired on 2017-03-26 13:41:51), at which point at which point we will default to no lynch.

Call GM - If you get doc-saved, would you get a notification that you were saved from a kill?

No.

Call GM - if the person performing the scum factional kill is roleblocked, will it stop the factional kill altogether, or will another person perform the kill meaning it will still happen?

Only one person performs any given factional action; roleblocking them would stop the factional kill.

[nancy]

How about you post a list of your -actual- reads without wifom?

And then tell me which of your posts containing reads, IN THE PAST, were real reads.

I want to be able to follow your real progression of reads. Testing people and pushing for a reaction is fine. Being completely unaccountable for everything you say, or every read you got is not.

I posted my start of day readslist at the start of the day. About to sleep so I'll the 2nd part when I wake up.

At least that clears my small doubts about Vecna.

What doubts does it clear?

That he wasn't town?

Elaborate? Why, thought processes, etc.?

[Vecna]

Notice + Alisae + Leonshade + Ceasar does sound like a pretty plausible scumteam I guess.

[Vecna]

Maybe with the addition of the Yuri/replacement slot, and possibly creature/Brian skies as the lesser likely scum.

Yep thats pretty much where im at.

[Vecna]

Hmmm Gorkington belongs in there as well.