Civilization Mafia [GAME OVER]

[nancy]

How about you post a list of your -actual- reads without wifom?

And then tell me which of your posts containing reads, IN THE PAST, were real reads.

I want to be able to follow your real progression of reads. Testing people and pushing for a reaction is fine. Being completely unaccountable for everything you say, or every read you got is not. We already have one such person in this game (ceasar) and that annoyance is more than enough.

Fortunately I have my PT to keep a track of this without stumbling through my ISO.

First:

Aslan

Nero Cain

Yuri

MathBlade

Leonshade

Elbirn

Creature

Brian Skies

Caesar Wills It

Lil Uzi Vert

Vecna

ssbm_Kyouko

davesaz

Maxous

Sondam

NoticeMeSenpai

(I actually wasn't TRing Notice of my own volition, Aslan just told me to sheep their read and I did.)

Somewhere in the middle:

Aslan

Nero Cain

Yuri

MathBlade

Leonshade

Elbirn

Creature

Brian Skies

Caesar Wills It

Lil Uzi Vert

Vecna

ssbm_Kyouko

davesaz

Maxous

Sondam

NoticeMeSenpai

Now:
{Brian, Caesar, CK, PV, Vecna}
{davesaz, Maxous, Nero}
{Creature, KidAmn}
{Aslan, Math, Notice, Gorkington}
{Leonshade, LUV}

But they're currently fluctuating a little, I need time to re-establish and get a better feel for the gamestate. Rereading is in order (lol).

[MathBlade]

vote:Dave

Dave is obvTown. Gtg

Man I really wish people scumread Nero so we could get rid of scum!Nero.

[MathBlade]

Rest is too many words gtg

[Vecna]

Yeah I also have plenty of meta with Alisae, Math - and my conclusions are the direct opposite.

So do I and a recent game where I caught them as scum.

Scum wouldn't do <redacted>.

However I could see you nancy Gorkington.

And you could see this how given all the recent developments? Because I feel this is you ignoring pretty much everything that has been actually happening. Tell me, why would I claim my wonder in the way I did as scum?

[CloudKicker]

About the claims, i think taking that wonder is unecessary as to block that wonder to scum, i also think that vec is town moreso that i dont see the scumgain in that claim

Except that Town has no reason whatsoever to out themselves, whereas scum have every reason to do so.

You think hes claiming hagia sofia so people wont trust their checks?

[CloudKicker]

"the Caesar wagon on the previous day bothered the shit out of me"

@brian why an how did it bothered you

[Vecna]

How about you post a list of your -actual- reads without wifom?

And then tell me which of your posts containing reads, IN THE PAST, were real reads.

I want to be able to follow your real progression of reads. Testing people and pushing for a reaction is fine. Being completely unaccountable for everything you say, or every read you got is not. We already have one such person in this game (ceasar) and that annoyance is more than enough.

Fortunately I have my PT to keep a track of this without stumbling through my ISO.

First:

Aslan

Nero Cain

Yuri

MathBlade

Leonshade

Elbirn

Creature

Brian Skies

Caesar Wills It

Lil Uzi Vert

Vecna

ssbm_Kyouko

davesaz

Maxous

Sondam

NoticeMeSenpai

(I actually wasn't TRing Notice of my own volition, Aslan just told me to sheep their read and I did.)

Somewhere in the middle:

Aslan

Nero Cain

Yuri

MathBlade

Leonshade

Elbirn

Creature

Brian Skies

Caesar Wills It

Lil Uzi Vert

Vecna

ssbm_Kyouko

davesaz

Maxous

Sondam

NoticeMeSenpai

Now:
{Brian, Caesar, CK, PV, Vecna}
{davesaz, Maxous, Nero}
{Creature, KidAmn}
{Aslan, Math, Notice, Gorkington}
{Leonshade, LUV}

But they're currently fluctuating a little, I need time to re-establish and get a better feel for the gamestate. Rereading is in order (lol).

So the jumps on Nero and Yuri? What caused those?

[Brian Skies]

LUV is a better vote than both.

Why do you think LUV is scum? I thought he was scummy at first, but lately I've been thinking he's probably town. Vecna being one of my strongest townreads and saying LUV's most likely town also makes me not want to lynch him, so I'm really interested in why you think he's the best lynch right now.

[Brian Skies]

"the Caesar wagon on the previous day bothered the shit out of me"

@brian why an how did it bothered you

Unlike the other wagons, the Caesar wagon rose pretty rapidly, but with you, Math, and Yuri all citing nancy as the reason for their vote. It just didn't feel right to me, and you still haven't explained why you were so fine with voting their despite claiming previously that the gamestate indicated Caesar was probably town.

[Brian Skies]

I just don't see Math being town here. I don't care about all the AtE or whatever you think it was doing with his sister. His Vecna push is questionable at best and his interactions with PV the previous day are so slimy. Not to mention he keeps trying to ride on the back of 'I would never do that with my sister' instead of, you know, being 'obvtown' like he constantly claims to be.

[Brian Skies]

Also, people need to stop using the word 'obvtown.' If someone were 'obvtown', everyone would be able to see it, so they're obviously not and you need to get off your high horse and explain the read.

[Brian Skies]

I wish people would actually talk about Vecna's claim instead of just pretending it didn't even happen because I have nfc how to read it.

I don't like the way he thinks it will confirm him as town and that we should just trust our investigation results just based on his 'word' that he will use it, but he did ask you if you wanted to go for a pro-scum wonder with him, to which I don't think you ever responded. I don't see why Town Vecna wouldn't claim having the wonder if he got it, especially since a townie wouldn't have anything to hide, and I think people would end up asking him about it if he got one anyway. If I were to fully ignore his claim, he would be a strong townread for me. I really liked his entrance into today, and I really liked his wall posts. I really feel like it's filled with town lines and not scumfuckery bullshit.

[Brian Skies]

Brian is town because of Drixx.

I replaced in like 200 pages ago, you can't still be holding onto this.

[Brian Skies]

Damn, resolution phase and my catchup is 15 pages already.
On page 398, Creature

398/416 pages is still pretty fucking good. How do you not have a clue what you want to do right now? I'm not asking for much, just give us your thoughts on the game as you see it so we at least know what you're thinking.

[CloudKicker]

"the Caesar wagon on the previous day bothered the shit out of me"

@brian why an how did it bothered you

Unlike the other wagons, the Caesar wagon rose pretty rapidly, but with you, Math, and Yuri all citing nancy as the reason for their vote. It just didn't feel right to me, and you still haven't explained why you were so fine with voting their despite claiming previously that the gamestate indicated Caesar was probably town.

i did explain, i also think that your explanation doesnt add up with your behavior on the sondam wagon that is


Lynch Vote 3.29

Sondam (9): Vecna, Creature, Nero Cain, TheRealGin-N-Tonic, Caesar Wills It,

Brian Skies

, Leonshade, Sondam, Lil Uzi Vert

You voted close to the end of it despite how fast it formed, its not like you were there at first and didnt have time to unvote, how inconsistent of you

[CloudKicker]

Also, people need to stop using the word 'obvtown.' If someone were 'obvtown', everyone would be able to see it, so they're obviously not and you need to get off your high horse and explain the read.

because mefia would call obvtown obvtown?

[Brian Skies]

i did explain

Quote it.

[Brian Skies]

Also, people need to stop using the word 'obvtown.' If someone were 'obvtown', everyone would be able to see it, so they're obviously not and you need to get off your high horse and explain the read.

because mefia would call obvtown obvtown?

It's so people don't try to hide behind false bravado and fake reads. Scum already know everyone's alignments, so it's easier for them to make claims like this.

[Brian Skies]

You voted close to the end of it despite how fast it formed, its not like you were there at first and didnt have time to unvote, how inconsistent of you

Why should I have unvoted? How is it inconsistent? The Sondam wasn't a wagon where people were literally deferring their vote to another person.

[davesaz]

Disgustingly light, I know, but it's what I have.

davesaz
Vecna (matches to Code Geass)
MathBlade (reads and actions make sense to me)
Creature (I doubt he could pull this off as scum)
Maxous (kinda the opposite of Creature, and I've seen him be very terse as town)
-- large gap --
Brian Skies
Caesar Wills It
Nero Cain (kinda probing at the kind of things that I usually expect)
-- small gap -- for the most part I don't have much experience reading people below this line
Alisae
nancy
CloudKicker
-- small gap --
Lil Uzi Vert
NoticeMeSenpai
KidAmn (can't remember which slot this is so this could be hilariously wrong)
Leonshade
Gorkington (can't remember which slot this is so this could be hilariously wrong)

[Alisae]

The KidAmn slot is Yurislot.

[MathBlade]

Yeah I also have plenty of meta with Alisae, Math - and my conclusions are the direct opposite.

So do I and a recent game where I caught them as scum.

Scum wouldn't do <redacted>.

However I could see you nancy Gorkington.

And you could see this how given all the recent developments? Because I feel this is you ignoring pretty much everything that has been actually happening. Tell me, why would I claim my wonder in the way I did as scum?

Same response as to Creature's outing. Outing is NAI. I've held claims as town til the last moment and outed on D1 as scum intentionally to buddy. Outing one's self is not an alignment indicative thing.

[MathBlade]

Brian is town because of Drixx.

I replaced in like 200 pages ago, you can't still be holding onto this.

Until someone explains why Drixx would do the things Drixx did as scum you could post bat shit insane reads and streak down the thread naked and I wouldn't give a fuck. Pretty much you'd have to scum claim for me to scumread you. To me you're an innocent child. I see no reason further to put down Brian is town because blah blah blah when you're practically an innocent child due to your predecessor. Game has too much clutter as it is.

[MathBlade]

I just don't see Math being town here. I don't care about all the AtE or whatever you think it was doing with his sister. His Vecna push is questionable at best and his interactions with PV the previous day are so slimy. Not to mention he keeps trying to ride on the back of 'I would never do that with my sister' instead of, you know, being 'obvtown' like he constantly claims to be.

1) I am a they.
2) I am obvtown get over it. I'm trying to work with people but I'm not changing word choice etc for it. People can be obvTown to me and not be obvTown to everyone else.
3) Ask what questions you like then move on because we have scum to lynch and I'm not it and I want you to be able to see I'm town.

[MathBlade]

Disgustingly light, I know, but it's what I have.

davesaz
Vecna (matches to Code Geass)
MathBlade (reads and actions make sense to me)
Creature (I doubt he could pull this off as scum)
Maxous (kinda the opposite of Creature, and I've seen him be very terse as town)
-- large gap --
Brian Skies
Caesar Wills It
Nero Cain (kinda probing at the kind of things that I usually expect)
-- small gap -- for the most part I don't have much experience reading people below this line
Alisae
nancy
CloudKicker
-- small gap --
Lil Uzi Vert
NoticeMeSenpai
KidAmn (can't remember which slot this is so this could be hilariously wrong)
Leonshade
Gorkington (can't remember which slot this is so this could be hilariously wrong)

Please expand on this as my birthday present <3
I disagree with some high level reads of yours and as a townread of mine I'd like to sync up on those and get to the same page so maybe there's some kind of synergy.