Civilization Mafia [GAME OVER]

[Alisae]

BaeReed and nancy are not the same alignment please try again Nero.

[Alisae]

Btw, scum getting Alhambra equals scum

Like. Creature got the rb wonder, but he says this?
I am really confused here.

oh wait nvm I misread that. my bad. Creature specificly says scum getting Alhambra = Scum.

[Nero Cain]

lmaaaaaaaaaaaaaaao Nero what's your Leon read?

poe townish? Like idk. Everyone seems horrible to me.

My @1 town read is cloudkicker.

Yes you read that right.

CLOUDKICKER.

The fact that a guy who calls the scum mefia and not mafia should tell you alot about my opinions of people this game. Though maybe I shouldn't be so harsh b/c if I was playing better we'd of had flipped scum by now.

[Alisae]

How about this.
LUV/Vecna/Leon/KidAmn/nancy
gg thanks for playing.

[Alisae]

Maybe I should actually stop twittling my thumbs and go case someone.
Nero you should try that as well.
Either way gnite.

[Nero Cain]

BaeReed and nancy are not the same alignment please try again Nero.

Why are you being snarky here? You mad that I'm not like "OMG ALISAE IS SOOOO TOWN, ANYONE THAT DOESN'T SEE THAT MUST BE STUPID." Grow the fuck up kid.

I'd take a Nancy scum over Senpai if pressed but remind me why Nancy and Senpai aren't the same alignment?

[Alisae]

Like, here's where I at with my reads.
{PV, Nero, Math, Maxous, Creature, Brian, BaeReed}
{Gork, Dave}
{Cloudie}
{KidAmn, Leon, LUV, nancy, Vecna}

[Alisae]

BaeReed and nancy are not the same alignment please try again Nero.

Why are you being snarky here? You mad that I'm not like "OMG ALISAE IS SOOOO TOWN, ANYONE THAT DOESN'T SEE THAT MUST BE STUPID." Grow the fuck up kid.

I'd take a Nancy scum over Senpai if pressed but remind me why Nancy and Senpai aren't the same alignment?

I don't really care about the first part. I really don't care how you read me.

As for the second, this is not what a TvT or an SvS looks like:

And yeah, Aslan's reads are a total joke.

This is without taking into consideration of associations.
Brian, LUV, Nero, BaeReed, Creature
These are my locktowns.

If Aslan is scum half of these probably are too.

nancy is scum.

In no world ever where nancy is town does she entertain the idea of Aslan being scum here.

VOTE: nancy

[Alisae]

Nero I'm just frustrated because everyone's reads are all over the fucking place and the town finally needs to start showing some cohesion.

[Nero Cain]

On a scale of 1-10 (1 low 10 high) how offended will people be if I start typing up my notes from my read through?

It's gonna be slow

and it's gonna be D2 onward to minimise the amount of spam.

Like this is really the only kinda scummy post to me. He shouldn't be asking if he can post his notes and then, like on one hand I can more than understand him not wanting to read d1 but D1

IS

the most important day so not reading it is not real pro-town. The bolded could MAAAAAYYYYBBBBEEEE be an excuse for lurking it out but there's also truth in it. And if Yuri was scum who are Yuri's scumbuddies that tipped the scales in favor of a not Yuri wagon?

[Nero Cain]

scum vote each other all the time so I'm not real sold on the idea of "they can't be scum b/c one of them voted the other!"

[Nero Cain]

I'm also kinda in the same view that its funny that scum would send Gork to do a kill. And Gork being the leading wagon when Creature claimed seems potentially opportunistic.

[Alisae]

scum vote each other all the time so I'm not real sold on the idea of "they can't be scum b/c one of them voted the other!"

This is NOT the arguement I am making here. This is:

If you don't want to trust the meta towntell that even nancy admits exists even if she's trying to somehow still scumread Ali through it??? (and nancy I will remind you that this game started and that tell was dropped before that conversation so you can't even argue that I told Alisae, besides which if you actually honestly could ever think that I was scum with Ali you're tripping because it's not how I would interact with a buddy at all).

But whatever, I'ma go case Yuri slot now.
Bye.

[Nero Cain]

but I mean, I just can't shake Dave scum. I still think Alisae going "oh I'm blaming ABR for ruining town cohesion and not lynching Yuri" was one of the more stupid things said this game and both LUV and Dave going "yea us too!" makes me think that there has to be atleast one scum in that threesome.

[Alisae]

Frog why is Yuri scum?

1) When titus gets on Yuri about defending Vecna, Yuri goes "but frog did it too" (314) without even realizing I also defended drixx (256, 260, 264, 271) in the Vecna/Drixx thing. I took both sides at different time trying to sort shit out, but Yuri basically says why didn't you call out frog for defending Vecna, as a justification to why they did it. That's stuff scum does.

2) I'm only going to use the self-meta thing as a small point, but his reaction in 442 to when I went "SPIFFEH " in 437 seemed really worried

3) In 931 Yuri wants to placate Titus, and it appears he doesn't want to ruffle titus' feathers. It's super appeasing type stuff like scum not wanting to stand out. Yuri says in 940 that yes he is trying to placate Titus because Titus is probtown pushing them. However, later on in 1248 Yuri sorts Uzi as town and Yuri says he doesn't care about Uzi's push on him. It's a contradiction, so Yuri needs to explain why Titus push did matter but Uzi push didn't.

5) Yuri says they have issues with A+N in 952 and when pressed on what the issue is by A+N in 953 it turns out that it's the same prior issue from 941 and 943. Reading those two posts, we see it's because Yuri doesn't like A+N is pressing Sondam about whether Sondam thought titus slipped or contradicted herself. That's perfectly legitimate reason to pressure Sondam, to find out if they meant contradict or slip (or both, as it turns out). Because contradict and slip can have different meanings. It's a bullshit issue to have with A+N. (to read more about it, read my 1275 which explains it better than I just did here)

4) My 1245 shows exactly ZERO scumhunting of Yuri's. All of a sudden Yuri drops a vote 3 posts later in 1248 on A+N, with no explanation. Finally the explanation comes in 1268 and it's a weak and shallow read that looks like it's just there to appear like scumhunting from Yuri.

5) Yuri passes the buck on trying to read people on the Maxous wagon 1231 which I call out in 1264, and passes the buck again saying I should do the legwork in 1265. Why pass the buck back on to the person questioning you, which he did twice to two different people in those two posts.

So there you go spiff.

Reposting this case.

[Alisae]

VOTE: KidAmn
Following this up with a vote.

[Nero Cain]

And if Yuri was scum who are Yuri's scumbuddies that tipped the scales in favor of a not Yuri wagon?

[Alisae]

Spoiler: Important VCs. From the time Yuri was wagoned to the end of the Day 1 lynch.

Lynch Vote 1.32

Yuri (9):

Lil Uzi Vert, Akane and Nebby, Vecna, Spiffeh, beeboy, Fro99er, The DEO, Nero Cain, Leonshade

beeboy (4):

ssbm_Kyouko, PeregrineV, Yuri, Albert B. Rampage

Vecna (2):

Caesar Wills It, NoticeMeSenpai

davesaz (1):

Creature

Sondam (1):

Drixx

ssbm_Kyouko (1):

Maxous

NoticeMeSenpai (1):

Elbirn

Not Voting (2):

davesaz, Sondam

With 21 players alive, it takes 11 to to lynch.
Lynch deadline is in (expired on 2017-02-21 10:05:30), at which point we will default to no lynch.

Lynch Vote 1.49

beeboy (11):

ssbm_Kyouko, PeregrineV, Spiffeh, Elbirn, Albert B. Rampage, Fro99er, Creature, Akane and Nebby, Leonshade, Drixx, Yuri

Albert B. Rampage (5):

Lil Uzi Vert, Vecna, The DEO, beeboy, Caesar Wills It

Vecna (1):

NoticeMeSenpai

Yuri (1):

Nero Cain

Lil Uzi Vert (1):

Sondam

Creature (1):

Maxous

Not Voting (1):

davesaz

With 21 players alive, it takes 11 to to lynch.
Lynch deadline is in (expired on 2017-02-21 10:05:30), at which point we will default to no lynch.

These are what these VCs tell me.
Basicly these VCs tell me that Yuri was a lynch that scum really did not want, so they were forced to bus.
But then once ABR did things, scum found an excuse to hop off of Yuri and either go on ABR or Vecna, which ever one they picked.
You can tell this just by how slowly but surely Yuri went from 9-10 votes to 1.

[Nero Cain]

like if you believe that then its pointing to scum being in you, Leon and Nancy. I'd much rather do a Nancy lynch.

[Alisae]

And if Yuri was scum who are Yuri's scumbuddies that tipped the scales in favor of a not Yuri wagon?

VC 1.32: Yuri (9): Lil Uzi Vert, Akane and Nebby, Vecna, Spiffeh, beeboy, Fro99er, The DEO, Nero Cain, Leonshade

VC 1.42
Vecna (5): Caesar Wills It, NoticeMeSenpai, Fro99er, Albert B. Rampage, Sondam
Albert B. Rampage (5): The DEO, Lil Uzi Vert, Vecna, Akane and Nebby, Creature
beeboy (5): ssbm_Kyouko, PeregrineV, Yuri, Spiffeh, Elbirn

VC 1.48
beeboy (8): ssbm_Kyouko, PeregrineV, Spiffeh, Elbirn, Albert B. Rampage, Fro99er, Creature, Akane and Nebby
Albert B. Rampage (6): Lil Uzi Vert, Vecna, The DEO, Leonshade, beeboy, Caesar Wills It

VC 1.49
beeboy (11): ssbm_Kyouko, PeregrineV, Spiffeh, Elbirn, Albert B. Rampage, Fro99er, Creature, Akane and Nebby, Leonshade, Drixx, Yuri
Albert B. Rampage (5): Lil Uzi Vert, Vecna, The DEO, beeboy, Caesar Wills It

Looking at these VCs probably Leon (His vote for sure looked like a bus) but I'll get back to you more on this tomorrow I need my sleep.

[Alisae]

like if you believe that then its pointing to scum being in you, Leon and Nancy. I'd much rather do a Nancy lynch.

Add LUV to this. I don't really care to ask you to take me out. I mean like, I guess I can see Gork scum now? I'ma go through ISOs sometime tomorrow.

[Alisae]

Spoiler: I can't FUCKING Sleep so I'm starting with KidAmn's ISO

VOTE: Nay

The info isn't all that useful, and we can make people claim it anyway if we really want to know.

Oh yeah btw I'm pretty sure Leon is scum now considering his Sondam vote.

Sondam was going to be lynched with or without my vote, I merely sped up the process.

Nobody wanted to go for my top tier choices,

nor did anybody want to listen to my defense (or rather, JaeReed's defense) of Sondam.

I was starting to get paranoid of the slot myself, so I didn't mind them getting lynched, even if they were not an ideal choice.

I think Dave is town here, and I was fine with lynching Sondam instead of Dave.

Today I would like to lynch in CloudKicker/Brian/Caesar, maybe Gin (currently KidAmn IIRC).

First emphasis doesn't sound particularly like something a town-aligned player would say.
Second quote's emphasis sounds kinda contradictory/off to me, but I haven't read enough of the game yet to put it in context, so I'll let that lie for now and come back to it if needs be.
The Nay votes make very little sense to me, but I tend to come at Mafia from a position of "give me as much mod-confirmed info as possible no matter how irrelevant it might seem" (and the fact that this choice is even presented makes me think that the info

is

pertinent and useful in some way to town.

@KidAmn why didn't you read the game over the night?

I'm going to assume you're joking about reading an entire 400 page game in the course of a weekend, because the alternative is casting aspersions regarding your social life. And I'd hate to do that.

Okay yeah good point but how much have you read.

About 25 pages worth of useful posting, so halfway through day 2.

On a scale of 1-10 (1 low 10 high) how offended will people be if I start typing up my notes from my read through? It's gonna be slow and it's gonna be D2 onward to minimise the amount of spam.

Kid idc but I got a question for ya.
Your previous slot holder stated they built Machu Picchu. Can you confirm this?

I really hate to call myself a liar, but I gotta. I don't have Machu Picchu. I would hope you'll understand that I don't want to discuss any other builds/failed builds at this point?

Oh good because he didn't. Saying you did have that would be a scumclaim.

Oh, okay, that's the game you want to play. That's interesting. Guessing I haven't gotten to that part of the story yet.

Brief thoughts from my phone based on recent events, what I've read of the massive backlog of 90% shitposts, and the last 10-15 pages:

Caesar appears to have been gliding through most of the last three days on "lol look at my funny quirk" and the occasional bit of content whenever the prod comes near. However, the persistence with the quirk after being told several times its a pain in the arse to read leaves me at a nullread so far there. I agree that content post needs to be soon.

Alisae/A+N have been pinging me hard on my readthrough and the "scumcheck" founded entirely on hoping I'm as stupid as my account age is short and that I was being truthful on my readthrough progress didn't improve that. That said, I have like 100 pages of bullshit left to wade through. Watching that space.

Creature's whole "gosh I have no idea what I'm doing" schtick from D2 is the polar opposite of his town meta from what I've read of him for [redacted ongoing] and while I don't have my notes at work I recall at least one instance of blatant coaching from Leon that had Creature high on my scumreads (from where I've read to, I'm feeling strongly that's a 2scum interaction which makes me wary of any claimed confscum coming from him). He's concise but switched on as town, and his posting during D2 smelt the opposite - still his usual 2-3 lines a post but waffle and even less content than usual.

Incidentally, that coaching incident is one thing that contributed to some serious scumvibes on Leon. Again , when I have my notes in front of me can go into this more.

@Vecna - I'm not up to date yet, what questions is Alisae avoiding?

Addendum: phone posting sucks.

9833 - Shading. Let's keep this in mind for later. Also this tadbit is directed towards scum!Leon: Yeah you're vote on Sondam + saying "no one wanted to listen to my defense on Sondam (Or JaeReed's)" is bullshit considering you had them lynchable in 9669
9484 - Discredits Day 1 completely tho this is probably human error.
9848 - Why is he asking again? Why is he self-conscious of this stuff as well? If anything he should just be doing it.
9901 - The tone here seems really defensive and I doubt it's coming from frustrated town. Like this feels fake to me if anything.
10242 - The shade towards Caesar here is really uncalled for, especially considering they're a nullread. Their read on me is really defensive becuase they didn't like a reaction test I did? I don't see what calls for it tbh. Also their words on Creature look like he's posturing around that slot.

[Creature]

Scum = Scum happy

[Creature]

So I didn't let scum get it.

[Lil Uzi Vert]

Ali had a mental breakdown