Civilization Mafia [GAME OVER]

[Nahdia]

Lynch Vote 4.21

Leonshade (5):

NoticeMeSenpai, KidAmn, CloudKicker, Lil Uzi Vert, Caesar Wills It

Nero Cain (2):

MathBlade, Leonshade

nancy (2):

Nero Cain, RadiantCowbells

RadiantCowbells (1):

nancy

Gorkington (1):

davesaz

Maxous (1):

Vecna

Caesar Wills It (1):

Creature

KidAmn (1):

Maxous

Vecna (1):

Gorkinton

Not Voting (1):

Alisae

With 16 players alive, it takes 9 to lynch by majority.
Lynch deadline is in (expired on 2017-03-26 13:41:51), at which point at which point we will default to no lynch.

[nancy]

Davesaz is essentially conftown. Maxous and Creature share alignment. RC doesn't do cases as either alignment. He "checks out" as scum. I can read RC better than nearly anyone on site. He's just waiting to read the room right now.

{RC, Leonshade, Creature, Maxous} are all scum.

[Lil Uzi Vert]

RC getting savaged right now.

[RadiantCowbells]

you can't read shit dude

[NoticeMeSenpai]

jesus fucking christ CREATURE IS NOT SCUM

please nancy if you're town

listen to me

. No one did on Sondam and no one did when I thought beeboy could be town so please just listen to me and never lynch Creature. No one listened in HoH either when I called Alisae and TOWN LOST BECAUSE OF IT

[Nero Cain]

vote:RC

[Lil Uzi Vert]

Michael Phelps with the swim moves.

[Nero Cain]

ok I wanted you, like I was/am town reading Cloud b/c I don't think Cloud is playing like he did as a traitor. Both you and Ali think that's wank. Vecna continues to shade me and lightly call me scum from a game where I was a traitor. Can you explain the difference and why its ok for him but not me?

[Nero Cain]

amd not only was a traitor, I was an

UNIFORMED

traitor.

[Nero Cain]

I also don't really buy Alisae being so demotivated and lurky.

[Lil Uzi Vert]

Yeah seems strange after that mental breakdown earlier.

[Nero Cain]

How in the world does Senpai have a town read on a promises to catch up lurksack like Dave but not me?

[Nero Cain]

ok I wanted to ask you, like I was/am town reading Cloud b/c I don't think Cloud is playing like he did as a traitor. Both you and Ali think that's wank. Vecna continues to shade me and lightly call me scum from a game where I was a traitor. Can you explain the difference and why its ok for him but not me?

[Vecna]

https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=70036

just look at RC flailing around. THIS is RC town. Whatever is in this game is not RC town.

Had to search too long for RC's name in that game and got bored. Settled on SSBM's Iso instead. Realized the slot is scum in this game. Nice

[Vecna]

Also, the way these two camps start shaping up almost makes it feel like this game is multi-ball after all.

We've gone 3 night phases without having 2 kills in a night. I'm willing to bet it's not multi-ball at this stage.

Yeah I wasnt being completely serious, obviously its not multiball - its just funny that theres almost two camps forming.

[Vecna]

Also, the way these two camps start shaping up almost makes it feel like this game is multi-ball after all.

We've gone 3 night phases without having 2 kills in a night. I'm willing to bet it's not multi-ball at this stage.

Agreed. Vecna likes mechanics. No way a town Vecna does that.

Hohoho, look at who is taking my post stating "that the way camps start forming ALMOST makes it feels like its metaball" to me actually think that and missing the most obvious mechanical flaw to my plan. C'mon now Mathblade, at least come up with proper reasoning if youre gonna be so insistant and missing the obvious.

[Vecna]

First let's note that the teams here have four people and PV is missing which generally is a nod to my PV is scum theory and probably a scum claim from Vecna and if Vecna thought PV was town and based on what he said at the start of the game his scum team options would have 5 people. Setting that aside for the moment we go into these scum team suggestions more in depth.

Scum team option 1 of Maxous Leonshade Gorkington (originally Elbrin) and (Creature) not sure why the parenthesis from Vecna but I'm going to roll with it for now.
This sample of a VC was at Yuri's peak

Yuri (9): Lil Uzi Vert, Akane and Nebby, Vecna, Spiffeh, beeboy, Fro99er, The DEO, Nero Cain, Leonshade
beeboy (4): ssbm_Kyouko, PeregrineV, Yuri, Albert B. Rampage

And this is what happens an hour later.
beeboy (5): ssbm_Kyouko, PeregrineV, Yuri, Albert B. Rampage, Spiffeh
Yuri (4): Vecna, beeboy, Nero Cain, Leonshade

This team would mean that none of the scum team suggested by Vecna as Vecna isn't going to suggest themselves being town until the 9th vote on Yuri. This would mean an all town wagon for the first 8 votes on Yuri. That almost never happens barring someone being absolutely ridiculous and so antitown everyone can't stand them (see me in SU2). Yuri was lurking pretty hard core at the start of the game.

This makes that first team rather unlikely. Now let's look at the second suggestion more in depth.

Interesting........it could also mean the first team is correct and Yuri is their 5th, no?

[Vecna]

If Maxous is scum, I'm also scum.

Remember that.

Yeah the coloured teams were made before that result was broadcasted - the brackers for that team1 composition around your name should no longer be there.

[Vecna]

The second team presented with Nero/Caesar/Yuri (KidAmn)/Leonshade.

This however is truly odd as well. Knowing beeboy is town, this would require Leonshade and Nero Cain scumreads for that theory to remain on Yuri. I can see one scum remaining but not two. They were online at the time because they came in towards the end of the Yuri wagon. Bussing that hard at the end of the day generally gets looked at pretty hard, I doubt two scum would pile on a third towards the end of the day. Not only would it make a Yuri lynch likely but then one of themselves as well. The nancy/spiffeh slot would have to replace one of those members pulling the lynch off of Yuri to make sense since that slot was the catalyst off the Yuri slot.

More recent thoughts have made links to Gorkington and Cloudkicker for that composition. Those would make a bit more sense given this I think?

[Vecna]

So in short it is almost certain Vecna's scum teams are horribly flawed at this point.

Namely I also find that with the scumreads disappearing off the Yuri/Vecna slots not entering into Vecna's reads is fishy as fuck.

Vecna needs to reexamine its' reads.

If you had read the last 25 pages, you'd have seen that that is something that has been going on

At any rate, its hard to take 500 pages into account when just putting my impressions out there, you can take it down a notch on the shading. But I do appreciate in your inputs since they have some valid concerns (but also take into account that unlikely does not always mean untrue).

[Nero Cain]

https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=70036

just look at RC flailing around. THIS is RC town. Whatever is in this game is not RC town.

Had to search too long for RC's name in that game and got bored. Settled on SSBM's Iso instead. Realized the slot is scum in this game. Nice

???? That's actually a reason I was town reading Cloud since these two games seem pretty similar to each other. Could you help explain the diffrences between SSBM's play in this game and that game.

[Vecna]

beeboy

(11): ssbm_Kyouko, PeregrineV, Spiffeh, Elbirn,

Albert B. Rampage

,

Fro99er

, Creature, Akane and Nebby, Leonshade, Drixx, Yuri

Albert B. Rampage

(5): Lil Uzi Vert, Vecna,

The DEO

,

beeboy

, Caesar Wills It

With the end of day one we have lynch on beeboy who is town, a counterwagon on ABR who is town, and Yuri wagon of unknown alignment that disappeared.

ssbm_Kyouko, PeregrineV, Spiffeh, Elbirn, Creature, Akane and Nebby, Leonshade, Drixx, Yuri

Taking out the confirmed town this leaves the group ssbm_Kyouko/Cloudkicker, PeregrineV, Spiffeh/nancy, Elbirn/Gorkington, Creature, Akane and Nebby, Leonshade, Drixx, Yuri.

At the height of the Yuri wagon the following players have unknown alignments (removing myself as I am town): Lil Uzi Vert, Akane and Nebby, Vecna, Spiffeh/nancy, Nero Cain, Leonshade

The people not on Yuri but on beeboy are: Cloudkicker, PV, Vecna, and Yuri.

So if you scumread Yuri at least one of Cloudkicker, PV, Vecna need to be scum with Yuri with a side of spiffeh/nancy. More reasoning why Vecna isn't trying to use the entire game to form his reads he's going for what is popular and what "sounds good". So if Yuri is scum then nancy probably is too.

Therefore if you scumread Yuri at least one of Cloudkicker or PV or Vecna has to be scum with

My name appears in both lists and im pretty sure I was on Yuri. Also, bussing is ofcourse a thing but I do indeed think the bussers would have to be in Nero/Leonshade here.

[Nero Cain]

More recent thoughts

Math is intentionally not reading part of the game. I don't know why town would do that.

[Vecna]

How have I been floating Davesaz as scum for ages? It was like literally a period of 24 hours last day or something. Also this second statement almost feels like youre fishing whether im the chichen itza....there no need Gorkington, I already claimed what wonder I have and its not that one.

how does this address what im actually saying?
dont move the goalpost.
why are you taking dave's claim at face value if youre suspicious of him?

and i have no idea what happened when you were writing the second half of this post.

I have no idea why you think it was Davesaz that has Chichen itza? Like did I miss something obvious here? either way, if I did miss it - you bringing it up so everyone is aware isnt really the stuff of legends.

[Vecna]

is everything okay vecna?

Everything is fine, but trying to push me as scum (if youre actually town) is not going to be very productive.