Timeshift Mafia III [Game Over]

D3f3nd3r · Post Post #4200 (ISO) » Mon Mar 20, 2017 3:36 pm

I mean, I probably should have mod-killed or force replaced you for gamethrowing when you claimed scum.

Especially considering your self-vote wasn't the hammer.

James3 · Post Post #4201 (ISO) » Mon Mar 20, 2017 3:44 pm

In post 4199, -Grey- wrote:
In post 4198, James3 wrote:Also first game I've ever seen where town won specifically because of its incompetence.
Just goes to show that your incompetence was even worse than town's incompetence.

What did I do that I should have done differently (aside from giving up d3)?

In post 4200, D3f3nd3r wrote:I mean, I probably should have mod-killed or force replaced you for gamethrowing when you claimed scum.

Especially considering your self-vote wasn't the hammer.

Modkilling for gt is a bad idea for a number of reasons.

It wasn't gt though, as I had reasons for it, and was probably hanging anyway.

What was that pause though?

D3f3nd3r · Post Post #4202 (ISO) » Mon Mar 20, 2017 3:48 pm

To analyze whether or not I should have modkilled you for gamethrowing.

Modkilling for gamethrowing is widely considered to be accepted on this site because you're expected to play to win. I would have been more likely to force-replace had you not already been about to die. Self-hammering as scum is an accepted move, but self-hammering as town isn't, claiming as town (without self-hammering) isn't, etc.

D3f3nd3r · Post Post #4203 (ISO) » Mon Mar 20, 2017 4:03 pm

In post 42, James3 wrote:You see, I came here from the ToS Forum Mafia section. For about a year I played Mafia on that forum, and by the end I was without a doubt the most skilled active player there. Eventually the disparity was so vast that I had to be banned to keep things fair for the rest of the players (officially it was for abrasiveness, as many of their players suffer from SSS and my personality conflicted with that).

In post 46, James3 wrote:In case anyone would like to give meta-analyzing me a go (lol good luck), my username on ToS was James2.

I encourage people to follow up on this. I'm doing so right now and it's been amazing.

Vifam · Post Post #4204 (ISO) » Mon Mar 20, 2017 4:06 pm

The best part about the Mafia QT is when Tywin is like "James I dont think you should claim" and James is like "I have to, it's my meta" is great and honestly you've gotta respect it

CommKnight · Post Post #4205 (ISO) » Mon Mar 20, 2017 5:03 pm

I definitely feel like James claim was obvious fake though. I feel for the mafia having him do that and then having XnadrojX completely flake on posting content. Tywin definitely should've shot Almost or even Elena or Fitz. Hindsight 20/20 and all.

Bur I just wanted to apologize to ssbm and LoX hydra. Sometimes my hard reads are right, sometimes they're wrong. Different interactions pinged me the wrong way.

The scum QT is golden though. I definitely say Nero and Tywin were the only real threats to town. But Almost read Nero correctly and even helped push Tywin for the win. I don't think anyone doesn't acknowledge Almost's importance to town this game.

All in all, it was fun and not bastard. The 2-shot ninja would've made LoX useless for two nights in a row! My limitation with soo many VTs and not being able to find goons is definitely not powerful. (Only 2 mafia and 4 town I could find out of the initial big player list). PereV's ability would only confirm him as town (and possibly get him killed if he pairs with scum). Really, I'd say the only role you had to look out for was Jail keeper because the vigilante two shots could've easily landed on town. (One of them did!).

If I were reviewing the set-up, it is balanced. A 3rd party definitely would've been interesting to add in though!

D3f3nd3r · Post Post #4206 (ISO) » Mon Mar 20, 2017 5:08 pm

I didn't want to put in an SK because people were probably expecting one. Both of this game's predecessors featured an SK.

James3 · Post Post #4207 (ISO) » Mon Mar 20, 2017 5:09 pm

In post 4202, D3f3nd3r wrote:Modkilling for gamethrowing is widely considered to be accepted on this site because you're expected to play to win.

That's pretty dumb. Whether or not something is gamethrowing or not can depend on a player's role and/or alignment. Having a policy of modkilling for gt can implicitly mod-confirm otherwise non-public facts in the case of someone who could potentially be modkilled but isn't.

In post 4202, D3f3nd3r wrote:Self-hammering as scum is an accepted move, but self-hammering as town isn't

I assume this doesn't count near-deadline self-hammering? Because that can be necessary to prevent a NoLynch sometimes.

In post 4204, Vifam wrote:The best part about the Mafia QT is when Tywin is like "James I dont think you should claim" and James is like "I have to, it's my meta" is great and honestly you've gotta respect it

I had no way of knowing at the time, but if I hadn't claimed then Ramcius probably would have death tunneled me when he replaced in, given that he does know my meta.

In post 4205, CommKnight wrote:I definitely say Nero and Tywin were the only real threats to town.

If you hadn't had that fortunate screw-up it's entirely possible that I could have gotten you lynched.

Xnad sucked though.

TTTT · Post Post #4208 (ISO) » Mon Mar 20, 2017 5:18 pm

I have some kickass secret alts, but James is the account I most wish was me.
James is a troll account.
Right, guys?
guys?
please?
...

James3 · Post Post #4209 (ISO) » Mon Mar 20, 2017 5:21 pm

In post 4208, TTTT wrote:I have some kickass secret alts, but James is the account I most wish was me.
James is a troll account.
Right, guys?
guys?
please?
...

I often here this accusation from lower-skill players.

It's not true though.

James3 · Post Post #4210 (ISO) » Mon Mar 20, 2017 5:28 pm

Tywin Lannister wrote:James didn't play badly at all. Remember, he got almost the entire town PRs to claim. That's pretty damn good. He even got the watcher outted D1, which was the entire reason he was a ninja. I'll take it.

TTTT · Post Post #4211 (ISO) » Mon Mar 20, 2017 5:28 pm

In post 4209, James3 wrote:I often here this accusation from lower-skill players.

"Lower-skill players"
bro, you have a 0% scum win-rate

James3 · Post Post #4212 (ISO) » Mon Mar 20, 2017 5:29 pm

In post 4211, TTTT wrote:
In post 4209, James3 wrote:I often here this accusation from lower-skill players.
"Lower-skill players"
bro, you have a 0% scum win-rate

This is literally the first game I've lost as mafia.

James3 · Post Post #4213 (ISO) » Mon Mar 20, 2017 5:30 pm

And I've been playing for over a year.

TTTT · Post Post #4214 (ISO) » Mon Mar 20, 2017 5:51 pm

In post 4213, James3 wrote:And I've been playing for over a year.

sorry hotshot.
nobody here is impressed by your Little League batting average

James3 · Post Post #4215 (ISO) » Mon Mar 20, 2017 6:18 pm

In post 4214, TTTT wrote:
In post 4213, James3 wrote:And I've been playing for over a year.
sorry hotshot.
nobody here is impressed by your Little League batting average

If I cared what others thought of my playstyle I wouldn't be the FM master that I am.

RadiantCowbells · Post Post #4216 (ISO) » Mon Mar 20, 2017 6:23 pm

It's a little radiantcowbells <3

James3 · Post Post #4217 (ISO) » Mon Mar 20, 2017 6:59 pm

I learned much of my skill from TheCow actually.

Firebringer · Post Post #4218 (ISO) » Mon Mar 20, 2017 7:01 pm

Well played guys, sorry I replaced out.
I saw game day was going to be a shit fest and I guess me replacing out probably helped you guys get back on track? Idk lol.

Almost50 · Post Post #4219 (ISO) » Mon Mar 20, 2017 11:03 pm

In post 4197, D3f3nd3r wrote:
PTs are out!

Where?

CommKnight · Post Post #4220 (ISO) » Mon Mar 20, 2017 11:30 pm

In post 4219, Almost50 wrote:
In post 4197, D3f3nd3r wrote:
PTs are out!
Where?

Gotta go to Board Index > Private Topics > Timeshift Mafia III Mafia PT

Or. I can be cool and do

this

Almost50 · Post Post #4221 (ISO) » Mon Mar 20, 2017 11:49 pm

THANK YOU

D3f3nd3r · Post Post #4222 (ISO) » Tue Mar 21, 2017 12:05 am

In post 4207, James3 wrote:
In post 4202, D3f3nd3r wrote:Modkilling for gamethrowing is widely considered to be accepted on this site because you're expected to play to win.
That's pretty dumb. Whether or not something is gamethrowing or not can depend on a player's role and/or alignment. Having a policy of modkilling for gt can implicitly mod-confirm otherwise non-public facts in the case of someone who could potentially be modkilled but isn't.

In post 4202, D3f3nd3r wrote:Self-hammering as scum is an accepted move, but self-hammering as town isn't
I assume this doesn't count near-deadline self-hammering? Because that can be necessary to prevent a NoLynch sometimes.

In post 4204, Vifam wrote:The best part about the Mafia QT is when Tywin is like "James I dont think you should claim" and James is like "I have to, it's my meta" is great and honestly you've gotta respect it
I had no way of knowing at the time, but if I hadn't claimed then Ramcius probably would have death tunneled me when he replaced in, given that he does know my meta.

In post 4205, CommKnight wrote:I definitely say Nero and Tywin were the only real threats to town.
If you hadn't had that fortunate screw-up it's entirely possible that I could have gotten you lynched.

Xnad sucked though.

Claiming scum is gamethrowing regardless of alignment. Self-hammering as town vs. as scum kills you so does it matter? There's very little other than self-hammering that is okay for one alignment but gamethrowing for the other.

No, it doesn't because that is a terrible thing to do as either alignment and you'd probably rather not lynch.

James you really need to get a fucking grip. You're not as good as your massive ego makes you think you are.

Nero Cain · Post Post #4223 (ISO) » Tue Mar 21, 2017 12:07 am

In post 4222, D3f3nd3r wrote:Claiming scum is gamethrowing regardless of alignment.

I agree but bad town do it all the time. We live in a meta world that allows for anti-town play b/c no one has the balls to pl.

havingfitz · Post Post #4224 (ISO) » Tue Mar 21, 2017 2:33 am

Unbookmarking. Thanks again for the game mod.

Hope to play with most of you again.

- out