Civilization Mafia [GAME OVER]

[Vecna]

The allegations against Senator Gorkington were spurious and lacking in evidence. It is Our opinion that he was accused with the intent of distracting from more righteous investigations of the criminals Leonshade, Vecna, and Lil Uzi Vert.

Spoiler: *

I have been distracted with Mass Effect Andromeda lately. Leonshade is the right lynch for today, what are we waiting on? Gork was a counterwagon distracting from the Leonshade wagon. I really ought to analyze who is responsible for that nonsense.

What reasoning do you have to townread Gorkington?

[Vecna]

btw PV I also claimed to have Mausoleum because I think Vecna is town trying to unite the town together and I'm just trying to help out with that.

If youre town: a question. Can you need see the signs on the walls here? Where people are allready setting me up as the mislynch for tomorrow?

Because that is what RC is doing atm. He is talking not about todays lynch, but about me in every post. He's catering to Ceasar/Math who are going to be unlynchable town - not because he thinks im scum, but because im the easiest mislynch.

[RadiantCowbells]

Vecna I scumread you because your read on me feels disjointed as hell. 13097 can be interpreted both ways, 13098 is pulling information from me like I'm scum, 13099 is talking to me like I'm town, then 13101 talks like I'm obvscum setting up for your lynch tomorrow when NO SHIT I HAVE GIVEN UP ON LYNCHING NERO TODAY.

Also you came up with some great shit on Nero's associations that I liked but never voted him but did vote the people who were connected to him which I'm like whatever about.

I'm not voting someone that I think is town today to give information to someone that is either weak town or scum. It's day 4, your reads should be in place now not later.


As for the Davesaz thing, I would expect to see scum like throwing potshots at both you and Davesaz. I came in with Davesaz as a heavy scumread to test the waters and see if someone would jump on that because I would fully expect scum to try to push it if they could pin it on me but there was basically radio silence and Nero is fully against that wagon.

So yeah. Gamestate doesn't feel like Davesaz is about to run amok as confirmed town parity copping people. I'm obviously not going to wagon him for a very long time but something feels wrong.

[JaeReed]

So yes Leonshade, to answer your earlier question (quoted below): if you are scum, I feel the only option of scum on your wagon is Notice.

...lol. This proves that you do not know me at all, and this is a good example of why I keep thinking you're not genuinely trying to solve the game.

If scum have obviously not bussed (or been able to push through a bus) all game, why in hell do you think I would start now and stay on the wagon? I could have easily springboarded on to Nero or Kid by this stage if I were scum trying to distance from buddy!Leon. This is a fact based on the gamestate. Leon's scumflip makes me all but conftown.

[RadiantCowbells]

and lol. jae is obvious town regardless of leon's flip

[RadiantCowbells]

also creature/maxous both reacted exactly how most town would react to being cleared in that way. I would be more suspicious if they took a more active role in discussion and trying to lead people

[RadiantCowbells]

Why don't you explain your read on me instead of bitching about my read on you?

[Vecna]

My stuff about Nero's associatives wasnt "great stuff" at all, you just felt that way because it was inline with your reads. Thats all good and all, but it doesnt mean that it instantly makes him scum. These types of reads can be made about every player in the game at this point, and its totally useless without a scumflip.

And yes, I have illustrated plenty of times that I feel theres the possibility of two completely different scumteams in play here, and youre definately part of one of them. Ive shown why I feel the one with you on it is more likely, since ive found more reasons to be townreading Nero + Cloudkicker over say, you + Leonshade.

In fact, I still hold the very unpopular opinion that the only person playing your slot that was slightly towntelling was Brian Skies - the rest have all been doing nothing at all or stuff that I cannot interpret without a flip.

[Vecna]

So yes Leonshade, to answer your earlier question (quoted below): if you are scum, I feel the only option of scum on your wagon is Notice.

...lol. This proves that you do not know me at all, and this is a good example of why I keep thinking you're not genuinely trying to solve the game.

If scum have obviously not bussed (or been able to push through a bus) all game, why in hell do you think I would start now and stay on the wagon? I could have easily springboarded on to Nero or Kid by this stage if I were scum trying to distance from buddy!Leon. This is a fact based on the gamestate. Leon's scumflip makes me all but conftown.

How would you even know they havent bussed? Noone knows this at this point. They very well couldve been bussing without us biting.

Also if you really can still come in here and state shit like "I dont think you've been honestly trying to solve the game" THAN BACK IT UP. I have done about 600+ posts of gamesolving out of my 1200 or however many posts it are, so then show me where im full of shit or dishonest.

YOU CANT. and stating you think someone is posting this freely with all their thoughts out in the open, and doing it in a dishonest way without it being blatant for such a long time is utter horse-shit.

[RadiantCowbells]

Did you consider that it's a very unpopular opinion for a reason? I mean anyone who knows anything about Drixx knows that that confirms him as town and there's people like Creature who deathtunnel me every game but are somehow pulling their shit together enough to townread me based on my play.

Like if I were scum you would have a lot bigger problems to worry about than getting a Leon wagon through

[JaeReed]

So yes Leonshade, to answer your earlier question (quoted below): if you are scum, I feel the only option of scum on your wagon is Notice.

...lol. This proves that you do not know me at all, and this is a good example of why I keep thinking you're not genuinely trying to solve the game.

If scum have obviously not bussed (

or been able to push through a bus

) all game, why in hell do you think I would start now and stay on the wagon? I could have easily springboarded on to Nero or Kid by this stage if I were scum trying to distance from buddy!Leon. This is a fact based on the gamestate. Leon's scumflip makes me all but conftown.

How would you even know they havent bussed? Noone knows this at this point. They very well couldve been bussing without us biting.

Also if you really can still come in here and state shit like "I dont think you've been honestly trying to solve the game" THAN BACK IT UP. I have done about 600+ posts of gamesolving out of my 1200 or however many posts it are, so then show me where im full of shit or dishonest.

YOU CANT. and stating you think someone is posting this freely with all their thoughts out in the open, and doing it in a dishonest way without it being blatant for such a long time is utter horse-shit.

1. Again you don't really read the post. See bolded.
2. I just highlighted that in the VERY post you are responding to. I also dislike the way you pretend as though people aren't pointing that out when they clearly are.

[Vecna]

You know what, youre probably right and that statement made little sense. im being too argumentative for arguings sake, and I shouldnt be.

My suspicion of you keeps talking, even though im trying to work with you.

Talk to me about Alisae. Is there any other reason for the townread on the slot except the Yume read? Couldnt they have talked about that in their hydra PT to get rid of it/abuse it?

[Vecna]

Did you consider that it's a very unpopular opinion for a reason? I mean anyone who knows anything about Drixx knows that that confirms him as town and there's people like Creature who deathtunnel me every game but are somehow pulling their shit together enough to townread me based on my play.

Like if I were scum you would have a lot bigger problems to worry about than getting a Leon wagon through

Yes, Ill admit I do not have this meta on most people here that you guys have.

I think Davesaz should be putting us in a little box together so we know whether we can work together tomorrow or not.

[Vecna]

Why don't you explain your read on me instead of bitching about my read on you?

I have no read on you. Im not going to trust the little Drixx meta people have provided, Brian skies simply did too little, and what youre doing you could pull off as scum np as well.

[RadiantCowbells]

I'm not going to be here tomorrow

[Vecna]

also creature/maxous both reacted exactly how most town would react to being cleared in that way. I would be more suspicious if they took a more active role in discussion and trying to lead people

Also, I dont really agree with this.

[RadiantCowbells]

Then you have insufficient actual experience dealing with innocent childs and masons. I have a specific meta point that I will bring up but I can't bring it up at this time. Creature's also town by play.

[Vecna]

At any rate, I need to make sure im getting in the way of scum as much as possible to force their hand in nightkilling me.

With the way people their reads are shaping up theyll capitalize on people SR'ing me and this game will become virtually unwinnable for town.

[RadiantCowbells]

Also you said that I could fake this as scum: where does that meta come from? I don't believe that we've played before?

[Vecna]

Then you have insufficient actual experience dealing with innocent childs and masons. I have a specific meta point that I will bring up but I can't bring it up at this time. Creature's also town by play.

People underestimate creature, and I know for a fact he tried to forcibly emulate his own townplay when people town him what a towntell for him was.

It doesnt make him scum, but him and maxous being scum together fits like a glove in this gamestate.

[Vecna]

Also you said that I could fake this as scum: where does that meta come from? I don't believe that we've played before?

I know you won most cunning manipulator over a bunch of other very cunning manipulators ive played with before.

[RadiantCowbells]

I could see Maxous as being scum I guess but it's not an option I'm interested in pursuing atm.

I know you won most cunning manipulator over a bunch of other very cunning manipulators ive played with before.

That's one way of putting it. Keep in mind that I was known for my town play long before people started taking my scum play seriously.

[Vecna]

Also Jaereed, I hope you'll actually enter a dialogue about other people with me for once.

This is my prime reason to be suspicious of your slot. Whenever people make some mention of you and why theyre suspicious youre allways very quickly there to point out the inconsistencies (and you do a good job in that).

But I want to have dialogue about our reads - the more interesting stuff.

[Vecna]

So how sure about your Nero read are you? Sure enough to be a policy lynch the next day if youre wrong?

[Vecna]

RC - if town, why arent you suspicious of the voting behaviour of the other people I mentioned wrt to the Leonshade wagon?

mathblade is obvious, so is creature I guess.....

But alisae was actively voting for Leonshade before. Maxous is conveniently gone

You really think theyre scum that dont want to get tied up in a mislynch?