Civilization Mafia [GAME OVER]

[Creature]

Unless Vecna happened.

[CloudKicker]

Don't stress it Cloud he thinks I'm scum too.

Heck even I thought you were scum for a bit there. (Oh because you didn't meta defend davesaz when I knew you could have, that was why btw.)

Didnt say but ive been vla since yesterday

V/LA up to sunday probably inclusively

[CloudKicker]

Hm quote is awkward, i was trying to check why nancy scumread me

[PeregrineV]

Keep an eye out for Creature/Uzi combo.

What makes you think this combo?

When I was isoing Vecna for scumclues, I came across something where they were townreading each other, and I don't recall why. But, I do recall it's been pretty consistent across 4 days.

Isoing Creature and Uzi together,

Spoiler: First Interaction

I don't agree with the last one. It was very odd for Creature to state he didn't know what either did and then imply that Arts and Sciences is better.

Arts and Science felt like town powerups, therefore None seemed like a waste.

Arts and Science felt like town powerups, therefore None seemed like a waste.

I don't know how you could've gotten that if you didn't know what they were.

Arts and Science felt like town powerups, therefore None seemed like a waste.

I don't know how you could've gotten that if you didn't know what they were.

Sounded like:

Arts and Science = Draft
None = No draft therefore no roles

pg44

Spoiler: Creature first dislikes wagon on Uzi

Page 37

Hell this Uzi wagon

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Yuri is town I guess, beeboy most likely scum that joined Uzi wagon.

Uzi has Creature listed as a townread, but doesn;t come out and say it 100% until 9059.

Reasons for Uzi townread on creature in 10802.

some out-of-left-field that Creature is scum is Gork flips town. Based on 10,000+ posts of Creature being town, it sounds like Gorkington is expected to flip scum.
Which makes how his wagon dissolved even more curious.
Gork defense?- 11798

Anyway, that's just Uzi iso.
Nothing concrete, which I don't like, but little things here and there.

[PeregrineV]

More random shit-

@maxous

- How do you have null reads on both Uzi and Creature when they comprise 17% of all posting in the game?

well let's do a bit of a rundown here:

MathBlade

- between herself and Titus, has to be town surely. it was ridiculous scum-theater if they're not

Brian Skies

- Drixx was so obviously town that i'm sticking to the read. at least until i get a damn good reason why i shouldn't.

Caesar Wills It

- Still think Pine bleeds town here. I'll be disapointed if i'm misreading him *this* badly. but i don't think i am

Vecna

- I would certainly hope he's town considering his behaviour around the ABR wagon on D2.

NoticeMeSenpai

- still a very genuine slot that i would be surprised to see flip scum.

nancy

- Spiffeh's meltdown was town and nancy is fairly town too despite very whimsical read changes.

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Alisae
Nero Cain
Leonshade
Gorkington
Creature
Lil Uzi Vert

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lynch-list

KidAmn - Yuri probably should of been lynched D1 in retrosepect. Yuri coasted like fuck on D2 & D3 when he wasn't under pressure anymore. Wasn't exactly a town-read for me on Day 1 either..i regret not hammering.
CloudKicker - still scum.
davesaz - i got some cold feet about lynching him yesterday but i can't quite remember why. A glance at his ISO shows that reads are still scarce from him and he seems more interested in explaning why he's not giving reads instead of playing along and just giving reads. Vote on Mathblade doesn't impress either.

Similar for alisade/Akane/Nebby hydra, Nero, and both of today's wagons.

Your disengagement bugs me alot.

[PeregrineV]

It died.
Gone.
Vanished.
Mostly because an rb doesn't equal a guilty with 2 docs in play.

Who got the RB?

Creats rb'd Gork.
Also Dave has the plurality cop. They copped Creats and Maxous to find out they are the same alignment.

why did Creaure pick Alhambra (RB)?

@Creature- why did you pick Roleblocker?

[PeregrineV]

Lol...read like 4-5 posts of KidAmn and I think he's town.

[Creature]

To deny it from scum.

[PeregrineV]

Also keep in mind that if

Vecna is scum Davesaz's result on Creature/Maxous is unreliable.

Luckily with the way the gamestate has gone I believe that they are in fact both town but it is super important that Vecna is RBed tonight.

Why?

[PeregrineV]

To deny it from scum.

One day1 you were commneting on how much town power scum was going to grab.
Did none of those nor the day2 wonders interest you?

People need to no build to ve able to beat scum that didnt build anything on the good wonders tomorrow

We have some abilities that are good though, like The Hanging Gardens (doctor), Stonehenge (death public cop), Statue of Zeus (self redirector), and maybe Mausoleum of Halicarnassum (neighborizer).

Only one person will get each ability anyway, so it isn't a waste. It's a waste if scum gets it rather than town.

People need to no build to ve able to beat scum that didnt build anything on the good wonders tomorrow

We have some abilities that are good though, like The Hanging Gardens (doctor), Stonehenge (death public cop), Statue of Zeus (self redirector), and maybe Mausoleum of Halicarnassum (neighborizer).

Only one person will get each ability anyway, so it isn't a waste. It's a waste if scum gets it rather than town.

All of those are pretty bad. Modern Era will be better.

Doctor and Death Public Cop aren't bad. Look how many players we have.

So are we leaving the pro-town abilities for scum?

So are we leaving the pro-town abilities for scum?

Are we going to let scum get most of town's vital powers?

Ideally we need half the town players to go for a wonder today and day3, and the rest on day 2 and 4 with the higher priority from skipping today.

So everyone flip a coin.

Tails: pick today
Heads; skip today, get higher priority, pick tomorrow.

THAT should be how we do it.

Fine, though, scum will have a higher chance of picking a pro-town ability for themselves.

[Creature]

Roleblocker is powerful for scum. We don't let scum deny wonders from us and we deny wonders from scum.

[davesaz]

If Leon flips town I think we should look at the people who wanted me to hammer immediately.

[PeregrineV]

Roleblocker is powerful for scum. We don't let scum deny wonders from us and we deny wonders from scum.

How would scum know who to block?

[PeregrineV]

If Leon flips town I think we should look at the people who wanted me to hammer immediately.

Dave, where did you claim your wonder/night action?

[Creature]

Roleblocker is powerful for scum. We don't let scum deny wonders from us and we deny wonders from scum.

How would scum know who to block?

They don't need to know who to block.

As long they hinder town, it's alright.

[PeregrineV]

btw PV I also claimed to have Mausoleum because I think Vecna is town trying to unite the town together and I'm just trying to help out with that.

If you were, who would have been your guests each night?

N1 Titus hydra
N2 JaeReed hydra
N3 Pine/Caesar

what extra info have you gained about each one? like, whats your read on each?

@Jaereed
@Pine/Caesar

Would like to hear your take on the hoods.

[PeregrineV]

Roleblocker is powerful for scum. We don't let scum deny wonders from us and we deny wonders from scum.

How would scum know who to block?

They don't need to know who to block.

As long they hinder town, it's alright.

How can they hinder town? Feel free to give examples, since this is a semi-open setup.

[Creature]

Parity Cop
Tracker
One of the Doctors
And many others that are coming

[PeregrineV]

Parity Cop
Tracker
One of the Doctors
And many others that are coming

Except how would they know cop was taken?

Or tracker?

Or doctor?

[Creature]

They may not know they were taken, but they can still affect the results.

What do you have when there's a scum randomly roleblocking townies?

[PeregrineV]

They may not know they were taken, but they can still affect the results.

What do you have when there's a scum randomly roleblocking townies?

Scum that did not pick up parirty cop or tracker or doc?

[Creature]

Scum that wants to pick a wonder that can neutralize many others.

[Alisae]

VOTE: Leon
Nothing else is probably going to happen so...

[Leonshade]

Ali, try to remember the good times. The times when we solved the game in Code Geass. The times when we fooled the town in Spyro. We could win this game, together.

[Alisae]

Yeah except it's deadline and none of the cooler lynches are happening.